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Danny G getting some love (The Granger merged thread)

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  • #61
    Re: Granger on 2012 Olympic Team?

    Originally posted by Indy View Post
    Why is Amare a lock? I don't know, I'm not in love with him as a lot of other people, and I'm not really sure he fills any role on that team.

    I think Coach K would absolutely love Danny's mentality if he was around him.
    He would have been a lock last time were it not for the injury. I think it's safe to say unless he pulls out again he'll be a lock. Primarily because there aren't many other worth bigs.
    "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

    -Lance Stephenson

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    • #62
      Re: Granger on 2012 Olympic Team?

      Originally posted by Kstat View Post
      Exactly. It's incredibly selfish of people to deny someone a chance to compete for his country. There are bigger things in life than your local pro basketball team.

      If Stuckey gets selected and gets hurt, I'm not going to curse the skies. You aren't any more likely to get hurt during the olympics than you are in the NBA, actually less so.

      If one of my guys gets the chance of a lifetime to get a gold medal, I'll be happy for them, not bitter.

      I'd like to think that we're all supposed to be americans above anything else. I can't fathom why anybody would value their hometown more than their country.
      First of all, nobody has the capability to deny anyone anything.

      Second of all, if Danny wants to play for his country, then good for him. I hope that he can make the team. I am willing to bet that Anthem feels the same way.

      That being said, the Olympics mean absolutely nothing to me. There are certainly things more important than my hometown teams, but the Olympics ain't one of them for me. People act as if it is serving your country on a par with military service, but I simply do not see their importance...at all.

      Because they hold no value to me, then the only thing I see is more wear and tear on the player and additional opportunity for injury. (You'll find me on record for saying the same thing about All-Star games and, to a lesser extent, sending players to the NBDL.) I see JO playing essentially for three straight years without a break, and I see Reggie losing effectiveness for pretty much a full year after our last Team USA experience.

      Again, if Danny wanted to get a Gold, then I would hope that he would get a chance to get a Gold. However, that would be solely based on hoping that Danny could get that for himself. (BTW...I'd also love to see Danny get an All Star berth, but I don't care whether he actually plays in the game or not.)

      I have plenty of national pride. It is just that my opinion of the US and my good fortune of being born and raised here is not increased or decreased one bit by the performance of its National Sports teams. I want the US to continue to be prosperous and a world leader. However, if you're going to ask me whether I want success by the Pacers or success by the US Basketball team, the answer is going to be Pacers, every time. To me, the question is on a par with asking me if I would prefer success of the Eastern Conference All-Star team over the Pacers.

      There's no selfishness to this point of view. It is simply a matter of preference.

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      • #63
        Re: Granger on 2012 Olympic Team?

        Its down to him, Martin, and insert other shooter.

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        • #64
          Re: Granger on 2012 Olympic Team?

          comparing the olympics to the nba all-star game is ridiculous. There is no meanignful comparison on any scale.

          It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

          Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
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          • #65
            Re: Granger on 2012 Olympic Team?

            As a raptors fan, let me say, Jose's injury problems started at the Olympics, and Bosh who looked great during the Olympics, also plays some of the most min in the league, and it's wearing him out, as a fan of Team USA you should want him to be there i guess, altho i could see other guys doing his job. But as a Pacers fan, you shouldnt want this, honestly the negative greatly outweigh's the postive, if a player was going to break out, it's usually his talent and self motivation that does it, not being picked to play for their country, in fact a snub can motivate you asmuch as being picked.

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            • #66
              Re: Granger on 2012 Olympic Team?

              Jose has been a member of Spain's national team his entire career, though. You can't really compare european national players because US players do not compete nearly as often, and they certainly aren't taxed in international play nearly as much, because the burden to carry the team isnt there.

              It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

              Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
              Conference Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 2005
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              • #67
                Re: Granger on 2012 Olympic Team?

                True, but Jose was never a starter in the NBA before, he was a backup, and he joined the league at age 24 so he doesnt have the wear and tear of a 27 year old nba player either, it's probably about the same. Im just saying, injuries do happen internationally, a couple years ago we lost Garbajosa to an injury because he played internationally, im sure your American pride wants you to win, but you guys can win without Danny, if Pacers are a bigger concern i wouldnt want him there.

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                • #68
                  Re: Granger on 2012 Olympic Team?

                  The Bayou Baller

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                  • #69
                    Re: Granger on 2012 Olympic Team?

                    Stanko Barac will be dominating by 2012. The Pacers will be well represented with both him & Danny.

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                    • #70
                      Danny is second in rating among small forwards on NBA 2K9

                      Isn't that cool? He's getting recognition now. LeBron leads small forwards with 99, but Danny is second with a rating of 93.

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                      • #71
                        Re: Danny is second in rating among small forwards on NBA 2K9

                        Whoa that's awesome. It's a perfect example of the real time ratings in action!

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                        • #72
                          Re: Danny is second in rating among small forwards on NBA 2K9

                          It's great that he's getting recognition in the NBA 2k9 world....too bad that there's a chance that he won't get in in the real world in this year's All Star Game.
                          Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                          • #73
                            Danny G getting some love.

                            http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/pgStory...&photo=9090006

                            Most Improved Player: Danny Granger, Indiana Pacers
                            In his fourth season out of New Mexico, Granger has taken the leap from good player to All-Star (he'll almost certainly make the East roster as a reserve). A smooth and athletic forward with a deadly midrange jumper, Granger has upped his scoring average from 17.6 to 26.4 (fourth in the league) and also improved his ballhandling and defense. This is a close call between Granger and Devin Harris, who has blossomed into the East's best point guard and made the Mavs look forever foolish.
                            Honorable mention: Harris (Nets), Paul Millsap (Jazz), Kevin Durant (Thunder), Jameer Nelson (Magic).

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                            • #74
                              Re: Danny G getting some love.

                              The funny thing is that early on our own buzz was probably for Troy, or maybe Jack with playing time. The last few months by Danny have been insane, truly. Right now I think he's a lock on this award, assuming he can keep it up naturally.

                              Think about this, how often do guys win this without actually getting a ton more minutes? How often do guys play, say, 30+ the year before and win this award? And one more spin on it, how often do they pull that off beyond year 2-3, as in a rookie making a huge jump in year 2?

                              What Danny is doing truly embodies the spirit of the award. He's not a guy that's finally getting a chance or a kid so green in year 1 that it took till year 2 to figure it out. And on that same line, Dunleavy was like that last year too except that he had shot the 3 pretty well early on and then started to stink. He was more comeback than MIP.

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                              • #75
                                Re: Danny G getting some love.

                                As much as I'd love Granger to get the award, I think Harris will come away with it.

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