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    Default The Bulls might trade the 7th pick for Al Harrington, but not Chandler

    Jay, rest assured, the Pacers will not get Tyson Chandler. The best the Pacers can hope for is AL Harrington for the 7th pick, and the Pacers will have to take maybe Scottie Pippen back so the salaries match.

    After thinking about it and reading what they are saying out of Chicago, there is no way the Bulls would have ever traded Tyson and the 7th pick for AL, dispite the excitement last night we should all accept the fact that won't happen.


    I do think however if Luke Jackson is available at the 7th pick the Bulls will draft him and trade him to the Pacers for AL, I think that will happen.

    Whether that is a good trade or not, I don't have the slightest idea, for two reasons.

    1) I don't think the Pacers will stop there, more moves will be made.

    2) I have never seen Jackson play so I have no idea. But I will say if the Pacers make this move and Jackson is not the Pacers starting shooting guard by his second season then it was a huge mistake. He also should be able to play 15 minutes per game next season, if he is not ready or good enough to do those two things, then Bird just made his first mistake.

    Because make no mistake about it, this is Bird's trade, yes I know DW has a say so, but I highly doubt Walsh makes this trade if Bird were still in Naples, Florida

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    Yeah, but I still don't want to trade Al for an expiring contract and a rookie.

    Surely we can do better.

    Perhaps we're really not in 'win now' mode? Maybe LB thinks he has to re-make the team 'in his image' before they can get over the top?

    It seems everytime we've made a 'win now' type of move, its backfired. That's one of the few 'chinks' in DW's armor, and its what makes a guy like Jerry West so special.

    If we are three years away from contending, then I could live with Al for Jackson and another project like Chandler. You could be right, UB, that he could be very good in a few seasons. But I wouldn't characterise that as a certainty. IMO that trade makes us worse for at least one season if not two.

    Al is our most tradeable asset. If we take a short-term step backwards by moving him, then I don't see how subsequent moves could improve the team enough to offset that.
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    I don't know a flippin' thing about Jackson but I agree with UB. If he can't help immediately, there's no point.

    I'll tell you who the lack of hype has surprised me with is Kris Humphries. It's not every freshman who can leadt the Big Ten in rebounding and Scoring. In a lot of ways his performance was as good as Carmello Anthony's was last year - just his team sucked.
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    In a lot of ways his performance was as good as Carmello Anthony's was last year - just his team sucked.


    Hmm, I seem to remember hearing that one should never trade for a guy with big numbers from a bad team.
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    Still reporting Bulls will probably pick Luke Jackson with #7 and make a straight up trade with the Pacers for Al.
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    if he is not ready or good enough to do those two things, then Bird just made his first mistake.
    I would have to say this is possibly closer to his third mistake (If it does turn out to be a mistake.).

    I would count the first mistake as the drafting of Austin Croshere. It was widely thought that he was Bird's decision.

    Second mistake would be his part in the Brad Miller for Scot Pollard trade.

    Now, I know he was not alone in these decisions. But he should at least share in the blame.

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    if he is not ready or good enough to do those two things, then Bird just made his first mistake.
    I would have to say this is possibly closer to his third mistake (If it does turn out to be a mistake.).

    I would count the first mistake as the drafting of Austin Croshere. It was widely thought that he was Bird's decision.

    Second mistake would be his part in the Brad Miller for Scot Pollard trade.

    Now, I know he was not alone in these decisions. But he should at least share in the blame.
    Drafting AC wasn't the mistake. Signing him to the monster deal in 2000 was. He'd be a good player if he was making 3 million.

    Sort of like the real mistake with Brad wasn't last summer but the big extensions for Foster & Bender the previous October.
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    if he is not ready or good enough to do those two things, then Bird just made his first mistake.
    I would have to say this is possibly closer to his third mistake (If it does turn out to be a mistake.).

    I would count the first mistake as the drafting of Austin Croshere. It was widely thought that he was Bird's decision.

    Second mistake would be his part in the Brad Miller for Scot Pollard trade.

    Now, I know he was not alone in these decisions. But he should at least share in the blame.
    Drafting Austin was a solid choice. DW giving him that big contract, in retrospect, was not. Not Bird's fault.
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    I'm not sold on Luke at all. What's this guy's scouting report?

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    I'm not sold on Luke at all. What's this guy's scouting report?
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    I'm not sold on Luke at all. What's this guy's scouting report?
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    Any chance of us trading Al for the 7th and Pippen, then trading down from 7 for the 10th and DaJuan Wagner or something like that?

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    http://www.draftcity.com/lukejackson.htm

    Strengths A very skilled and versatile player, Jackson is one of the better overall offensive talents in the country. Possessing a deadeye shot (which has improved greatly since he first entered college) from mid-range and three-point territory (shooting 51% from the field and 47% from beyond the arc so for the season), his jumper is difficult to defend when combining both his height and quick release. When he spots an opening in the defense Luke is not at all hesitant to take the ball to the basket and usually finishes when he does so or ends up at the line where he rarely misfires (or both). He has a quick first step to go along with an ability to hit tough shots in the lane, where he is not intimidated by bigger opponents. What sets Jackson apart from many scorers of his size are his guard-like ballhandling and passing skills. He sees the court exceptionally well and can almost always find open teammates any where on the court. He can crash the boards fairly well and does a good job following his own shots inside. Although his athleticism is not widely considered a strongpoint of his, he can get up significantly and at times surprisingly well and goes hard to the rim when he has the open path.

    WeaknessesSkill-wise, there is not very much that Jackson lacks on the offensive end. The nature of his game is very unselfish, sometimes to his own detriment, and he has frequently been knocked for not being assertive enough. He will have to adjust to not being able to use his height as much to his advantage in the Pro’s, when he can seemingly see the entire court or shoot over many opponents with relative ease at the college level. His on the ball defense will have to improve as well if he expects to defend quicker guards and forwards while he does not possess great lateral quickness either.

    CommentsCoupled with his excellent work ethic and intelligent feel for the game, he has the intangibles to be a successful player at the next level. While his height isn’t outstanding for the NBA level he has a good body capable of playing the SF position. He also could very well see time at the 2 with his perimeter skills.

    Jackson will be a solid and ready contributor entering the upcoming draft, and should pay dividends for the team that drafts him if he falls to the late-first and early-second rounds.

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    I'm not sold on Luke at all. What's this guy's scouting report?
    Luke Jackson
    Height: 6-7
    Weight: 210
    Position: Guard
    Home Town: Creswell, OR
    Team: Oregon Ducks

    03-04 Season
    GP MIN/G PTS/G REB/G AST/G FG %
    25--34.5---21.6---7.3-----4.5----.491
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    Here's a few draft reports, lot's of varying opinions if he's a SG or SF. I didn't write them, just copy and pasted, don't shoot the messenger.
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    NBA Comparison: Brent Barry

    Strengths: Luke is a very good all around player. He is an excellent shooter all the way out to NBA range and has a good mid-range game as well. He also passes the ball very efficiently. He is a difficult match-up because of his height (6'7) and his guard skills. Needs very little space to get his jumper off and has a pretty quick release. Generally plays under control even in the transition game. He has a small forwards body but could play some 2 at the next level. Has a deceptive first step and does a great job of getting into the lane and challenging the defense. He is a very unselfish player with a solid all-around game. He's ot afraid to mix it up and hit the boards.

    Weaknesses: Not the greatest defender on earth and will definitely struggle to guard perimeter players at the next level. His lateral foot speed is not a strength. Not the most athletic SF either but he is adequate in that area. Lacks great size at the SF position, and is not a tremendous rebounder, but decent. He also wont blow you away with his athleticism, but has decent quickness and leaping ability.

    Notes: The only player in Oregon history to record 2 career triple doubles, and joins only Jason Kidd and Loren Woods as the only three to ever have multiple career triple doubles in Pac 10 history. Was also a baseball pitcher and out-fielder in high school and actually struck out 16 batters in one game.

    Draft Outlook: He is the type of shooter that lots of teams would love to have suit up for them. If he can show improved defense and have some good workouts he could sneak into the 15-20 range. Most likely a late first rounder to early second round pick.
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    Oregon forward Luke Jackson is a rarity in this year’s draft. The experienced Oregon senior stayed in school for four years and finds himself as one of the few four-year veterans surrounded by high schoolers, Europeans, and college underclassmen. In an age where staying four years almost lowers a player’s draft prospects, Jackson is hoping his versatile game will propel him into the upper tier of the 1st Round of the Draft.



    The 6’7” small forward had a monster senior season, finishing as the Pac 10’s only player in the top 10 in scoring, rebounding, and assists. For the season he averaged 21.2 points, 7.2 rebounds, and 4.5 assists. Some might want to compare “Cool Hand Luke” to another former Pac 10 star of similar race and build in former UCLA star Jason Kapono, but that assumption would be inaccurate. Although both are tall, white swingmen, Jackson isn’t a one-dimensional three-point assassin like Kapono. His deadly behind the arc stroke (44 percent 3-point percentage) is but one weapon of his diverse game. His unselfish arsenal of skills includes the court vision of guards much smaller than he and the rebounding prowess of much larger players. Throughout his collegiate career, Jackson has always been the player throwing the extra pass to garner a nice assist, sacrificing his body for dirty work, or taking a game over with his scoring. His two career triple-doubles are evidence of this,as are his All-Pac 10 and All-American honors. If there is a weakness to his game it is his lack of athleticism that prevents him from being a lock down defender or a pogo stick slasher. He might struggle early matching up to the NBA’s quicker swingmen.

    The two-time Oregon High school Player of the Year could’ve left school early like his teammate point guard Luke Ridnour. Instead he stayed to enjoy a tremendous individual season that has him poised to be one of few senior first round locks in the coming draft along with St. Joseph’s guard Jameer Nelson and BYU center Rafael Araujo. CHN’s latest mock draft has him going 22nd overall. Like Nelson and Araujo, his fourth year investment is looking like it will pay dividends.
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    Career Highlights: One of only two players (Sean Elliott) in Pac-10 history to finish career with 1,900 points, 700 rebounds and 400 assists. Only player in Oregon history to rank in the top 10 in nine categories: second in scoring, first in free throws made, third in steals and free throw percentage, fourth in assists and field goals made, sixth in three-point field goals and seventh in rebounding and three-point field goal percentage. Only player in school history with two career triple-doubles.
    Senior (2003-04): One of only six players in the nation to lead his team in scoring (21. 2 ppg), rebounding (7.2 rpg) and assists (4.5 apg). Earned First Team All-America honors from The Sporting News, Basketball Times, Espn.com and CBS Sportsline.com. Named Second Team All-America by AP and Sports Illustrated. Finalist for the Wooden and Naismith Player of the Year Awards. Named All-Pac-10 First Team and All-Tournament team. Scored a career-high 42 points to go with 10 rebounds against Arizona.

    Junior (2002-03): Earned All-Pac-10 honors after being the only player in the league to rank in the top 10 in scoring (16.0, eighth), rebounding (6.9, sixth), assists (3.6, ninth) and steals (1.7, fifth). Registered his second career triple-double with 14 points, 11 rebounds and 12 assists against Florida A&M. In Pac-10 history, only California’s Jason Kidd and Arizona’s Loren Woods have multiple triple-doubles.
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    Immediate Impact: He could've been drafted last year, but Luke Jackson returned for an almost Graduate-level season at Oregon where he strengthened nearly every facet of his game. Jackson is the most polished player of this Draft class with his skill, four-year college experience and decent physical stature. He'll step in as a rookie and give some team a great lift at the backup swingman position a la Mike Miller.
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    Strengths:
    Has great perimeter skills and can play down low… He is very versatile and because of that, can play the shooting guard, small forward, and power forward with his post skills and shooting skills… Also has a very quick first step… Does a great job of getting to the basket… Great foul shooter… Can create his shot very well… A pure shooter and can hit from three-point range and mid-range consistently… A great inside-outside player… Has a nose for the ball, knows how to box out bigger and taller players… Can handle the ball like a guard… Has a very complete offensive game, almost a flawless player offensively…

    Weaknesses:
    On offense, the only thing he needs to work on is his one-on-one moves… Needs to improve his feet on defense… Often gets beat to the basket… Will have a hard time playing anything but small forward in the NBA because he doesn’t have the speed of guards and the size or strength of big men…
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    Thanks you two.

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    Sounds like Reggie/Richard.

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    We better only do this if Tmac is 100% out of the question.

    Then and only then will I begin to consider this. Please, we need to make a move to help us NOW...not in 3 years.

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    Default Re: The Bulls might trade the 7th pick for Al Harrington, but not Chandler

    I guess I'm a little higher on LJ than most people. I think he can come in right away and contribute.

    Still, I don't think I'd trade just AH for LJ straight-up. I would hope we could do better for Al.

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