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    Some thoughts and comments regarding the Pacers this season...

    OK, I will admit that I do enjoy watching the Pacers play this year more than the last few years, because they do play an unorthodox style and it results in a more free-lowing game. It makes bad basketball more palatable. t also allows them to sneak up on teams that take them for granted, because it isn't an easy style to play against if you don't have it properly scouted.

    All that said....

    Bad basketball is still bad basketball. Injuries aside, they are in last place for a reason. They get so caught up in scoring the next basket that they often forget they're still on defense. I'm also convinced Dirk Harter is somewhere in a prison cell and they've repalced him with a cardboard facsimile. Has he been seen or heard from since Obie came in? I have yet to decipher any kind of a defense gameplan from the Pacers this year. Either they have a hot shooting night, or they don't. Thy don't have any intangibles in their favor beyond that.

    I still don't understand why anybody can be happy scoring 110 points and losing rather than scoring 80 and winning. While I enjoy watching an occasional Pacers game, I also do not root for them. They are entertaining from 3rd-party perspective, but I wouldn't be able to stomach a week of not knowing when the other team was going to miss another shot. Yeah, that style can help you beat tough opponents, but it will also hurt you against teams that are not easy to get up for, and there are far more of of the latter than the former during an NBA season.

    Granger- He's an all-star, that goes without saying. I do need to see him make the players around him better, though. He's a fantastic offensive force, but if he wants to be up there with the elite of the league, he needs to become a better passer and defender. I look at Wade as someone he should look to emulate. Wade is surrounded by very little, but he goes out of his way to do things he isn't asked to do, aside from scoring points. His will to win is remarkable, even when he loses. It's the mark of a truly great player. I see Granger at the top of the 2nd tier of small forwards in the NBA, behind Lebron, Pierce and Melo. It really isn't mentioned enough how far he's come in such a short time.

    Marquis- He's actually a very efficient offensive player when he stays inside 18 feet. Problem is, he takes way too many long jumpers. Nice role player, but for this system,he's a bad fit.

    TJ- He's made to play in this system, but the problem is he plays at so fast a pace he burns out easily. He's better-suited to come off the bench for shorter bursts.

    Jack- Best acquisition the Pacers made this season. He's one of the guys I can see sticking around if the Pacers ever transition to a winning team. He's developed into a better outside shooter, as well as a versatile defender. Probably a backup on a contender, but still a guy you want on your team.

    Murphy- Hate on his defense and post play all you want, but he can score and rebound. Not a lot of big men can do that consistently these days. You can probably get away with his drawbacks if you ever get a center that can block shots and score in the post, which brings me to...

    Hibbert- Have to say I didn't see him being as good as he is. Best pick the Pacers have made in a long time. He's shown an ability to score in the post, and play adequate defense at the center position. He needs to get himself better conditioned and hit the glass harder, but he can be a serviceable true center in this league for another decade.

    Foster- He's wasted here. The things he brings to the table were perfect for Carlisle's teams, but under Obie he's totally listless and undervalued. It seems like he plays only because he's Jeff Foster. Obie never really gives him a role on the floor, which is disappointing.

    Rush- He's either JJ Reddick or Devin Harris. I haven't figured out if his jumper has just totally left him since he left Kansas, or he just needs a lot of time to get adjusted to the speed of the pro game. Either way, not quite as polished as he was supposed to be. Looks like he's either thinking too much or not at all, both of which are common rookie issues.

    Dunleavy- Another guy that's right at home in an up-tempo motion offense. I think his absence has been very underrated. You need more than one guy capable of scoring 25+ a night if you want to win at that pace, and MDJ is qualified. Granger and MDJ have the potential to be the top-scoring swingman duo in the NBA. The problem is, one of them has to step up defensively for it to matter. I have to say I enjoy watching Dunleavy play. He's a very smart player, and keeps his cool in fast-paced games where its very easy to get lost and chuck up bad shots.

    The Pacers to me are still a playoff team if they stay healthy. Their talent level is better than most of the teams between them and the 8th seed. But for them to get to the next level, they either need a lot more talent or a little more and a better coach. Not sure which is more likely at this point.
    Last edited by Kstat; 01-10-2009, 01:10 PM.

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    Re: Some thoughts and comments regarding the Pacers this season...

    Can't really disagree much there. I just don't think they're either capable of playing good defense, or the offense is moving so fast that they just don't have the energy for good defense.
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      Re: Some thoughts and comments regarding the Pacers this season...

      Very good analysis. I do think however that Danny is much better this year at passing than he ever has been. And his defense is above average.The person I worry about every time he passes the ball is JJ. Don't get me wrong, JJ is very good and i like him a lot, but it makes me cringe when he passes the ball cross court. And I think Murphy has stepped up his aggressiveness this year which has impressed me. His d isn't as bad as it was last year.
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      • #4
        Re: Some thoughts and comments regarding the Pacers this season...

        Thank you, KStat. Good comments from start to finish.

        I still don't understand why anybody can be happy scoring 110 points and losing rather than scoring 80 and winning.

        I agree with this. My question, and I'm asking it because I don't know the answer and want to know it: How can we know that "scoring 80 and winning" is a possibility for these Pacers? If it were, I'd be as happy as anyone here.

        But what I get out of your analysis is a lot of reasonbs why running and going for a volume of shots is probably the best thing for the Pacers.

        an unorthodox style . . . allows them to sneak up on teams
        it isn't an easy style to play against if you don't have it properly scouted.
        Granger (is) a fantastic offensive force, but if he wants to be up there with the elite of the league, he needs to become a better passer and defender.
        Which would suggest taking advantage of the offensive capability in games now while developing better defense for the future by drilling defense in practices.



        TJ's made to play in this system,
        Dunleavy- Another guy that's right at home in an up-tempo motion offense. He's a very smart player, and keeps his cool in fast-paced games where its very easy to get lost and chuck up bad shots.
        Again, KStat here is justifying why the Pacers play a fast-paced game. That's what the players we have are fit for. If the players are fit for a fast-paced game, what is to be gained by slowing the pace?

        It would be easy to cut down the average point per game, but would the Pacers have a better chance of winning then?
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          Re: Some thoughts and comments regarding the Pacers this season...

          The only thing I take issue with is the "being happy losing 110...winning 80."

          I'm not happy losing at any score...I'm happy winning at any score.

          I think this is a bad defensive team, but, while slowing the pace down significantly might make this team a better defensive team, I'm 100% convinced it would make them much, much worse offensively. I think the gains at one end would get washed away at the other.

          That being said, they definitely have to improve defensively, but I think it has to do with being more disciplined and perhaps dumbing down the D a little more. I don't think this personnel will do even as well as they are currently doing in a half-court setpiece game.

          Edit: On the draft picks...I think they're both overthinking right now, but Rush is really in his head. I'm hopeful that he can turn it around, but if Junior and Daniels are healthy for the rest of the season, his playing time is going to get pinched.

          Also, I'm happy with the pick of Roy, but how is that a better pick than Danny?

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          • #6
            Re: Some thoughts and comments regarding the Pacers this season...

            Originally posted by Kstat View Post
            OK, I will admit that I do enjoy watching the Pacers play this year more than the last few years, because they do play an unorthodox style and it results in a more free-lowing game. It makes bad basketball more palatable. t also allows them to sneak up on teams that take them for granted, because it isn't an easy style to play against if you don't have it properly scouted.

            All that said....

            Bad basketball is still bad basketball. Injuries aside, they are in last place for a reason. They get so caught up in scoring the next basket that they often forget they're still on defense. I'm also convinced Dirk Harter is somewhere in a prison cell and they've repalced him with a cardboard facsimile. Has he been seen or heard from since Obie came in? I have yet to decipher any kind of a defense gameplan from the Pacers this year.

            Either they have a hot shooting night, or they don't. Thy don't have any intangibles in their favor beyond that.

            I still don't understand why anybody can be happy scoring 110 points and losing rather than scoring 80 and winning. While I enjoy watching an occasional Pacers game, I also do not root for them. They are entertaining from 3rd-party perspective, but I wouldn't be able to stomach a week of not knowing when the other team was going to miss another shot. Yeah, that style can help you beat tough opponents, but it will also hurt you against teams that are not easy to get up for, and there are far more of of the latter than the former during an NBA season.

            Granger- He's an all-star, that goes without saying. I do need to see him make the players around him better, though. He's a fantastic offensive force, but if he wants to be up there with the elite of the league, he needs to become a better passer and defender. I look at Wade as someone he should look to emulate. Wade is surrounded by very little, but he goes out of his way to do things he isn't asked to do, aside from scoring points. His will to win is remarkable, even when he loses. It's the mark of a truly great player. I see Granger at the top of the 2nd tier of small forwards in the NBA, behind Lebron, Pierce and Melo. It really isn't mentioned enough how far he's come in such a short time.

            Marquis- He's actually a very efficient offensive player when he stays inside 18 feet. Problem is, he takes way too many long jumpers. Nice role player, but for this system,he's a bad fit.

            TJ- He's made to play in this system, but the problem is he plays at so fast a pace he burns out easily. He's better-suited to come off the bench for shorter bursts.

            Jack- Best acquisition the Pacers made this season. He's one of the guys I can see sticking around if the Pacers ever transition to a winning team. He's developed into a better outside shooter, as well as a versatile defender. Probably a backup on a contender, but still a guy you want on your team.

            Murphy- Hate on his defense and post play all you want, but he can score and rebound. Not a lot of big men can do that consistently these days. You can probably get away with his drawbacks if you ever get a center that can block shots and score in the post, which brings me to...

            Hibbert- Have to say I didn't see him being as good as he is. Best pick the Pacers have made in a long time. He's shown an ability to score in the post, and play adequate defense at the center position. He needs to get himself better conditioned and hit the glass harder, but he can be a serviceable true center in this league for another decade.

            Foster- He's wasted here. The things he brings to the table were perfect for Carlisle's teams, but under Obie he's totally listless and undervalued. It seems like he plays only because he's Jeff Foster. Obie never really gives him a role on the floor, which is disappointing.

            Rush- He's either JJ Reddick or Devin Harris. I haven't figured out if his jumper has just totally left him since he left Kansas, or he just needs a lot of time to get adjusted to the speed of the pro game. Either way, not quite as polished as he was supposed to be. Looks like he's either thinking too much or not at all, both of which are common rookie issues.

            Dunleavy- Another guy that's right at home in an up-tempo motion offense. I think his absence has been very underrated. You need more than one guy capable of scoring 25+ a night if you want to win at that pace, and MDJ is qualified. Granger and MDJ have the potential to be the top-scoring swingman duo in the NBA. The problem is, one of them has to step up defensively for it to matter. I have to say I enjoy watching Dunleavy play. He's a very smart player, and keeps his cool in fast-paced games where its very easy to get lost and chuck up bad shots.

            The Pacers to me are still a playoff team if they stay healthy. Their talent level is better than most of the teams between them and the 8th seed. But for them to get to the next level, they either need a lot more talent or a little more and a better coach. Not sure which is more likely at this point.

            Everytime the players start slowing their pace they lose their momentum and drop like a rock. This happened frequently during the first 20 games, and caused them to lose a lot of those games they should have won. Lately, it seems the players have bought into JOB's strategy for winning and they have been doing much better. Uptempo is how they beat the Celtics, Lakers, Rockets, Pheonix, etc.

            I say go, go, go...we're just missing a banger who can clog up the middle. Somewhere there's another young JO sitting at the end of another team's bench just waiting for his chance to play.

            By the way, I agree....Dick Harter is proving to be worthless running our defensive schemes. The offense of JOB is working...but please Larry, fire Harter and get us someone who can coach defense and enforce a strong defensive game strategy!!!!

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            • #7
              Re: Some thoughts and comments regarding the Pacers this season...

              I never said this current group should slow the pace. My question was geared towards the people that said they were happier now than they were under Carlisle.

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              • #8
                Re: Some thoughts and comments regarding the Pacers this season...

                I agree with alot of what you are saying Kstat. I just have not been able to figure out what this teams problem is. Looking at the team it's hard for me to pinpoint what the problem is. Maybe it is just a lack of talent overall, not at one positioin, but all of them.. I don't know, we have been close in alot of games which makes me think we arent really so bad.

                I look at our lineup and I really like these guys.

                Murph, who got alot of blame last year and the year before, is having a great year, 4th in rebs this seaons or something like that. I can't really knock his play as he has stepped it up.

                Granger is having one of the greatest seasons of any Pacer ever.

                Jack is solid and I really like him for a back up.

                Rasho, well I like him in the first half, he just doesnt have much gas in the tank now days. He kinda waddles... but the guy is a good ball player. But with Jeff and Hibbert I don't mind that position either.

                The one thing I have noticed that has changed from the beginning of the season is TJ, the guy was everything I hoped he would be the first few weeks of the season. since then he has really toned down his aggresiveness and that is disturbing. He has been hurt of late, but this started before that. I think the coaches told him to calm down and not try to try to create and it has really hurt our team and his game.

                That comes down to the coaching, and while I am not so negative as the most people on this forum about our coaches, there are alot of things that bug me. A coach needs to be able to adapt his gameplan to the players skill sets. RickC was really good at that, I think Jim wants players to adapt to him. Not that is a bad way to do things, but you have a guy like TJ who has areas that he particularly excels at and when in others he is very mediocre.

                I do like Jim, I think he is a good coach alot of the time, especially with getting these guys to come together as a team, I'd like to see him play the rookies more, but I'm not an expert and I don't get to see the practices, that's just what I see.

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                • #9
                  Re: Some thoughts and comments regarding the Pacers this season...

                  Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                  I never said this current group should slow the pace. My question was geared towards the people that said they were happier now than they were in 2004.
                  I'm happier now than I was in 2007. That, however, has only a little to do with style. (Rick's last year, particularly the last half, was miserable to watch, and we were losing.)

                  It is because of the things you mention. Danny and Dunleavy both appear to be much better than I ever thought. I like Jack, and I'm optimistic about Rush and Hibbert being solid players.

                  It kills me to lose, and, despite being up at 5 am yesterday to start my trek to Terre Haute for my new job, I was awake until 4 am this morning, primarily because the game wound me up so much.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Some thoughts and comments regarding the Pacers this season...

                    I think with the right players this system could work, but you are so right about Quis and Foster being horrible for this system. I do not miss Marquis Daniels one bit and that is funny because he has been having a great year. Rasho is the perfect center for the system we run, unfortunately he has no gas in the tank.
                    *removed* Just keep politics and religion completely out of it, please.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Some thoughts and comments regarding the Pacers this season...

                      Originally posted by Burtrem Redneck View Post
                      I think the coaches told [TJ] to calm down and not try to try to create and it has really hurt our team and his game.
                      I sincerely doubt that.

                      Jimmy has always loved PGs who can get into the paint and cause the defense to shift. It opens up the whole perimeter for kickouts if defenders sag off and, if not, gives the ballhandler a lane to finish/make something happen in the paint. Kenny Anderson's ability to get into the paint was probably the biggest factor in the Celtics ECF run under JO'B. Jamaal had Jimmy's system running pretty well in the first two months of last season doing the same thing -- and that was at a time during which all 15 guys were trying to learn a new offense.

                      And since Jarrett has been attacking the rack like a bat out of hell in TJ's absence, it would be odd for O'Brien to tell one PG one thing and the other guy another. Diener never really does it, but he just doesn't have the ability.

                      But for whatever reason, TJ has just been tentative, hesitant, indecisive and rather herky-jerky with the ball all year even though his quickness with the ball and ability to beat a defender from Point A to Point B off the bounce are his #1 asset as an NBA player.

                      I have no idea why, but it certainly makes me wanna throw things.
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                      • #12
                        Re: Some thoughts and comments regarding the Pacers this season...

                        Originally posted by JayRedd View Post
                        I sincerely doubt that.

                        Jimmy has always loved PGs who can get into the paint and cause the defense to shift. It opens up the whole perimeter for kickouts if defenders sag off and, if not, gives the ballhandler a lane to finish/make something happen in the paint. Kenny Anderson's ability to get into the paint was probably the biggest factor in the Celtics ECF run under JO'B. Jamaal had Jimmy's system running pretty well in the first two months of last season doing the same thing -- and that was at a time during which all 15 guys were trying to learn a new offense.

                        And since Jarrett has been attacking the rack like a bat out of hell in TJ's absence, it would be odd for O'Brien to tell one PG one thing and the other guy another. Diener never really does it, but he just doesn't have the ability.

                        But for whatever reason, TJ has just been tentative, hesitant, indecisive and rather herky-jerky with the ball all year even though his quickness with the ball and beating a defender from Point A to Point B off the bounce is his #1 asset as an NBA player.

                        I have no idea why, but it certainly makes me wanna throw things.
                        Damn, you're good.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Some thoughts and comments regarding the Pacers this season...

                          I think TJ is just struggling to learn this team and this offense fully. I'm not saying he can't or won't, just that I think it's the reason he's looked up and down so much thus far. If it weren't for his surprisinly bad handles, I'd be 100% convinced it was just a matter of time before he puts it all together. Since he DOES have surprisingly bad handles, I'm at about 50% confidence.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Some thoughts and comments regarding the Pacers this season...

                            Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                            Rush- He's either JJ Reddick or Devin Harris. I haven't figured out if his jumper has just totally left him since he left Kansas, or he just needs a lot of time to get adjusted to the speed of the pro game. Either way, not quite as polished as he was supposed to be. Looks like he's either thinking too much or not at all, both of which are common rookie issues.
                            I just think Brandon is over-thinking because he's nervous. He's timid by nature (see post-draft interviews), but I think he's taking a little longer to adjust than most shooters. I still think he's a very talented team player who will contribute in this league.

                            Thanks for the analysis. And, no, no Pacers fan would prefer this style of play over slower-paced styles that have won. I just don't think this team would win any more games w/ a slower-paced offense.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Some thoughts and comments regarding the Pacers this season...

                              Originally posted by JayRedd View Post
                              I sincerely doubt that.

                              Jimmy has always loved PGs who can get into the paint and cause the defense to shift.
                              I agree w/ the previous comment about Coach getting in TJ's head. I think it's obvious when you see them talk on the sidelines and it bleeds through Coach's interviews. JOB has always said how much he dislikes a lot of dribbling, and TJ's game is using his handles (I disagree w/ Hick -- TJ is a grea ball handler) to break down defenses.

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