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Post Game Thread - Pacers lose in LaLaLand

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  • Post Game Thread - Pacers lose in LaLaLand

    Since no one is doing it.....<< Please merge if needed >>

    A few thoughts here:

    1 ) Why Jack is out there after scoring only 2 points for the entire game and being useless guarding Kobe is beyond me.
    2 ) The Announcers said it......5 fouls with less then a minute left....and Granger is guarding a foul-magnet.....bad idea for Granger to guard Kobe....just a bad idea.
    3 ) I don't even know what to say about that last play. If we needed a backdoor pass come from a Big Man...I would much rather have Rasho do it then Foster...he's way better at passing and HE CAN HIT that shot from where Foster was standing.
    Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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    i just dont get how Foster didnt have the awareness to shoot.

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      Yup, O'Brien is a great coach.

      All of his supporters, explain, please.

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        It really makes you wonder how someone like JOB is even a coach. If this message board could somehow coach this team by commitee, it would be wayyy better than JOB.

        I do like the offense he has our team running, I really do. But his substitutions and decisions are just ridiculous, does this guy even have a high school diploma.

        We need to bring ANYBODY who is a point guard up from the D-league to replace jarrett jack, this is just ridiculous.
        *removed* Just keep politics and religion completely out of it, please.

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          Originally posted by crunk-juice View Post
          i just dont get how Foster didnt have the awareness to shoot.
          I can....he wasn't expecting to shoot....he was expecting to quickly pass the ball to Dunleavy...and when the avenue was closed off by Sasha...he wasn't prepared to shoot.
          Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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            I miss Daniels and Ford. Can we ever get to full health?

            Wish Rush could have a little bit more confidence so we could have seen him in the game tonight.

            YOU CAN DO IT!

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              I really don't have a problem with how this game was coached. Is every loss a bad-coached game to you people?
              Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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                If i dont post ever again it's because i drowned in my own tears tonight. When Dunleavy hit that three I just got that feeling we had it....it doesn't get more disappointing than this loss.
                *removed* Just keep politics and religion completely out of it, please.

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                  Originally posted by Suaveness View Post
                  I really don't have a problem with how this game was coached. Is every loss a bad-coached game to you people?
                  Every loss is not a bad coached game. I have NEVER thought a single game this season was a loss due to coaching. But this one is INEXCUSABLE. Jarrett Jack guarding Kobe was a joke. And Jack even playing any minutes in the 4th is a complete joke.

                  Did anyone see Kobe when he saw Jack at him on the final shot. He looked like he was getting ready to shoot a jumper in an empty gym. He knew he was making that shot.
                  *removed* Just keep politics and religion completely out of it, please.

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                    Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                    I can....he wasn't expecting to shoot....he was expecting to quickly pass the ball to Dunleavy...and when the avenue was closed off by Sasha...he wasn't prepared to shoot.
                    well when he saw it was closed off he needs to know. he had 3 seconds.

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                      Originally posted by Jon Theodore View Post
                      We need to bring ANYBODY who is a point guard up from the D-league to replace jarrett jack, this is just ridiculous.
                      There is "good" Jack, the one we saw light up the Knicks.....then there's the "sucky" Jack...the one we saw tonight. Why no one on the Coaching staff realized that Kobe was abusing Jack everytime he had the mismatch is what's frustrating. It looks like Jack was doing his best to minimize Kobe's drives to the hoop.....but once Kobe sized him up....he just shot over the much shorter Jack.

                      Honestly....I would much rather have BRush defend Kobe, get some ticky-tacky rookie fouls then have Jack guard him. At least there was a chance that Kobe wouldn't have abused BRush like he did Jack.

                      If Marquis was healthy...Jack wouldn't have been on the floor.
                      Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                        The only thing I can do is try to sleep this one off. Later guys!

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                          Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                          There is "good" Jack, the one we saw light up the Knicks.....then there's the "sucky" Jack...the one we saw tonight. Why no one on the Coaching staff realized that Kobe was abusing Jack everytime he had the mismatch is what's frustrating. It looks like Jack was doing his best to minimize Kobe's drives to the hoop.....but once Kobe sized him up....he just shot over the much shorter Jack.

                          Honestly....I would much rather have BRush defend Kobe, get some ticky-tacky rookie fouls then have Jack guard him. At least there was a chance that Kobe wouldn't have abused BRush like he did Jack.

                          If Marquis was healthy...Jack wouldn't have been on the floor.
                          Anyone can look good against the knicks. Come playoff time (which we wont be in) teams like the knicks don't matter. You have to worry about GOOD teams.

                          I might be hanging myself here, but how many good games has Jack had against better NBA teams. I am honestly asking.
                          *removed* Just keep politics and religion completely out of it, please.

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                            Seriously? That is how you play out the final 2 possessions? Put a small Fry on the games best player and give him essentially an open jumper? Then pass it to the worst offensive player on the team, and let him try to create a play? JOB YOU ARE WORTHLESS. How do you not draw up a play for dunleavy, murphy, even Jack? What the heck enters his mind to think he can draw up a gimmick play on the final possession against one of the best teams int he league! Just throw the freaking game away! Bizzaro world. How do we have a great final play in Phx, and 2 days later, this crap!

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                              Re: Post Game Thread - Pacers lose in LaLaLand

                              jack was on the floor because we didn't have anyone else to put on bryant. are you going to put rush on him? nope. graham? nopers. dunleavy? nopest. jack did an okay job but there's only so much he can do at 6'2" we should have probably brought help.

                              danny guarding kobe was a bad idea at that point.

                              i too would have preferred rasho to pass if we wanted a big to do it but honestly, i think if i would have passed the ball into foster i would have had him fake the pass back to dunleavy then drive to the hoop. with 3 seconds, even though mike is a much better shooter, i'd be afraid of what happened happening. i may be crazy, but i think i would have put graham out there for that play (instead of diener, probably). graham did a pretty good job in phoenix causing the suns to switch and follow him to the hoop - at the very least we could have sent him to the hoop in hopes of getting a quick layup to tie. but i don't really have a problem with the play - or at least to the point of screaming for o'brien's head. he set up a FLAWLESS play to win in phoenix and this one wasn't executed the way it was intended. it happens.

                              oh well. seriously people - we've played the lakers twice and the games have been decided by a total of THREE points. we got insanely lucky on troy's tap. we got insanely unlucky not even getting a shot off and having granger on the bench. i'm actually pretty encouraged by this -- i know we hate moral victories but honestly i was expecting to be blown out like the second celtics game. we played well without having TJ or Quis. mike had a solid second game (minus that stupid TO when granger got his 5th) danny had a pretty good game, troy had a great game... let's finish out the trip with wins in oakland and salt lake.
                              Last edited by avoidingtheclowns; 01-10-2009, 02:40 AM.
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