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    Wagner is a fantastic scorer and, if healthy, would be brilliant off the bench. He would torch Billups becauses hes quicker AND stronger than Chauncey.
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    Wagner is a fantastic scorer and, if healthy, would be brilliant off the bench. He would torch Billups becauses hes quicker AND stronger than Chauncey.


    Billups- a 6'3" 202 PG

    Wagner- a 6'2" 188 SG.

    You tell ME which one is going to get beaten up on defense

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    Wagner is a fantastic scorer and, if healthy, would be brilliant off the bench. He would torch Billups becauses hes quicker AND stronger than Chauncey.
    Maybe he meant to say "quicker and stronger than Legendary"?......
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    Wagner is a fantastic scorer and, if healthy, would be brilliant off the bench. He would torch Billups becauses hes quicker AND stronger than Chauncey.
    Maybe he meant to say "quicker and stronger than Legendary"?......
    I dunno, something tells me "Legendary" may be able to shoot better than .366 from the floor......

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    Wagner has the potential to be a lot better than Billups. Sure his career has been filled with injuriews thus far, but where was Billups at this point in his career? Riding the pine in Denver? Hanging out at DIsney Workd down in Orlando? Ice fishing in Minnesota? Moose hunting in Canada?

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    Wagner has the potential to be a lot better than Billups. Sure his career has been filled with injuriews thus far, but where was Billups at this point in his career? Riding the pine in Denver? Hanging out at DIsney Workd down in Orlando? Ice fishing in Minnesota? Moose hunting in Canada?
    There's a difference. Billups is a PG, Wagner is not. Wagner is an iverson-wannabe chucker with half the speed. There isnt a passing bone in his body.

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    Billups only shot 39% so you have no room to talk about Wagner shooting 37%. If Wagner gets healthy hell get in rythm and his field goal percentage will skyrocket to the mid-40's.
    And Wagner is 6'2" 200 at only 21 years old. He still has plenty of maturing to do, and hes already more muscular and quicker than Billups.

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    And up untill this season Billups was nothing but a chucker. And I stand corrected, at the age of 21 Billups was still playing in some little unknown school in Colorado.

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    Billups only shot 39% so you have no room to talk about Wagner shooting 37%. If Wagner gets healthy hell get in rythm and his field goal percentage will skyrocket to the mid-40's.
    And Wagner is 6'2" 200 at only 21 years old. He still has plenty of maturing to do, and hes already more muscular and quicker than Billups.
    um, what part about "1 inch taller and 14 lbs heavier do you not understand? Scratch that, just have them stand side by side. There's a lot more baby fat on Juanny than there is on Chauncey. Billups would snap Wagner in half

    Wagner isnt stronger than Billups. You can entertain you fantasies about him being better than the finals MVP if you want, but they dont even play the same POSITION......you're assuming that wagner can play PG in the NBA, which he has shown ZERO willingness to do so.

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    There's a 2 lb. diff. not 14. And the only reason he's 2 lb. heavier is because he has an inch on Dajuan. Billups average 2.7 lb. per inch, take that inceh off and he's only 199.3.
    200 > 199.3
    Conclusion? Wagner's stronger.
    I've also heard that Wagner is near-Iverson quick. Wagners a stud just waiting to breakout, and on the Pacers he would.

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    There's a 2 lb. diff. not 14. And the only reason he's 2 lb. heavier is because he has an inch on Dajuan. Billups average 2.7 lb. per inch, take that inceh off and he's only 199.3.
    200 > 199.3
    Conclusion? Wagner's stronger.
    I've also heard that Wagner is near-Iverson quick. Wagners a stud just waiting to breakout, and on the Pacers he would.
    Please tell me you've at least SEEN Wagner play to be blowing all this smoke.

    Are you his mother?

    Wagner isn't fast. Maybe quicker for a 2-guard, but no fatser than the average PG. Iverson could outrun him on crutches.

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    There's a 2 lb. diff. not 14. And the only reason he's 2 lb. heavier is because he has an inch on Dajuan. Billups average 2.7 lb. per inch, take that inceh off and he's only 199.3.
    200 > 199.3
    Conclusion? Wagner's stronger.
    I've also heard that Wagner is near-Iverson quick. Wagners a stud just waiting to breakout, and on the Pacers he would.
    So if I eat 0.7 pounds of strawberry swirl ice cream, I'll be stronger?
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    Al Harrington is stronger than Ben Wallace.
    Big Al is 6'9" 250, Medium Ben is only 6'8" 240.

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    Al Harrington is stronger than Ben Wallace.
    why do you insist on digging the hole deeper?

    If he's your brother or you went to his highschool, just say so bro.

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    Al Harrington is stronger than Ben Wallace.
    why do you insist on digging the hole deeper?

    If he's your brother or you went to his highschool, just say so bro.
    He's using YOUR basis for why Chauncey's stronger than Wagner. Back it up.

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    Al Harrington is stronger than Ben Wallace.
    Big Al is 6'9" 250, Medium Ben is only 6'8" 240.



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    Al Harrington is stronger than Ben Wallace.
    why do you insist on digging the hole deeper?

    If he's your brother or you went to his highschool, just say so bro.
    He's using YOUR basis for why Chauncey's stronger than Wagner. Back it up.
    But I've never seen/ heard Al listed at 250.

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    I guess he's officially listed at 250. I would've thought 240. UB must be right about all that baby fat. Of course, I'd also think that Ben weighs more than what he's listed at.
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    Al Harrington is stronger than Ben Wallace.
    Big Al is 6'9" 250, Medium Ben is only 6'8" 240.


    Al is 3.08 lbs to the inch, and Ben is 3.00 lbs to the inch, so obviously Ben is stronger, but only right after Al takes a dump. :P
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    Al Harrington is stronger than Ben Wallace.
    Big Al is 6'9" 250, Medium Ben is only 6'8" 240.


    Al is 3.08 lbs to the inch, and Ben is 3.00 lbs to the inch, so obviously Ben is stronger, but only right after Al takes a dump. :P

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    How is Al Harrington NOT stronger than Ben Wallace?
    He's considerably bigger.

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    How is Al Harrington NOT stronger than Ben Wallace?
    He's considerably bigger.
    Just because he is bigger doesn't mean he is stronger. Have you seen any Pacers and Pistons games?
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    At 3.12 lbs/inch, I'll kick all of their backsides.....
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    How is Al Harrington NOT stronger than Ben Wallace?
    He's considerably bigger.
    Just because he is bigger doesn't mean he is stronger. Have you seen any Pacers and Pistons games?
    I guess what he's saying is dujuan wagner is stronger than chauncey, despite being smaller, because he does a lot of pushups and stuff.

    comparing ben wallace to dajuan wagner is beyond incredible.

    Not to mention I've SEEN the two of them close up. Billups is solid rock. Wagner has eaten a few too many big macs if he's up to 200lbs (NBA .com has him at 188 which is more believable).

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    NBA.com has Wagner listed at 200 lb. The 1,88 is his height listed in another measurement. You were looking in the wrong place.
    And why is Billups stronger because he's bigger yet Wallace is stronger than Harrington despite being smaller?
    It couldn't be because they're both Detroit Pistons, could it?

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