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    Peyton captured his 3rd MVP title today.

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    Awesome.

    Please, let the Pacers get a player this good someday.

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    Yes! I feel almost privileged to grow up watching a guy this good. (And the kicker is, he's been surrounded by guys nearly as good.)
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    Awesome.

    Please, let the Pacers get a player this good someday.
    Yes, I hope that will happen, too.

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    Yes! I feel almost privileged to grow up watching a guy this good. (And the kicker is, he's been surrounded by guys nearly as good.)
    It is a privilige to get to see a player like him represent Indianapolis, and all of Indiana.

    I'm proud to be a Colts Fan.

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    I like and root for the Colts but I am always a Pacers fan first.

    That being said, I never though there would be a day where one of the true elite greats ended up playing (at least the great majority) of his career in Indianapolis. I never thought we were big enough of a market to command that sort of player.

    I know he's "just a football player" but Peyton Manning has done an immeasurable amount for the city of Indianapolis just because of his sheer talent. I think there is a decent chance that if Peyton Manning had never come around, we might be talking about the Las Vegas Colts or the LA Colts right now. Instead, we've got a great new stadium, multiple playoff appearances, a Super Bowl title, and we're hosting the Super Bowl in a few years.

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    Well said, dc.

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    Wow. When I first saw this I didn't believe it, or thought an MVP of somethin else.. I didn't think he had THAT great a season, but I guess still good enough to be the best.

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    Wow. When I first saw this I didn't believe it, or thought an MVP of somethin else.. I didn't think he had THAT great a season, but I guess still good enough to be the best.
    He didn't have a great first 6 games.

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    Wow. When I first saw this I didn't believe it, or thought an MVP of somethin else.. I didn't think he had THAT great a season, but I guess still good enough to be the best.
    It wasn't about his stats like it was when he threw 49 TDs, it really was about him being the most VALUABLE player. To his team first, and the league, second. Without Peyton, our running was dead, our defense is schizo, and our chances at the playoffs would have been non-existant. With Peyton, even early on in the Minnesota game, and the first Houston game, we somehow found a way to stay afloat. Then, once he finally got on track, we win 9 straight to make the playoffs with relative ease.

    Not to mention, the backstory of his knee issue and two surgeries.

    Everything added together made it pretty clear, IMO.

    Especially with Brady going down, the League needed someone to step in and make a great story for this season. Everyone expected Manning to be the one, and he didn't disappoint.

    It is a privilege to watch him. He's as good as anyone to have ever played, and we have been blessed to have him here & be able to witness history every week.

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    I figured Manning would probably win it by default this year and deservedly so. His play down the stretch was absolutely incredible. The only other players who are as valuable as Manning is to their team would be Ryan/Turner of the Falcons or ADP of the Vikings (and of course Brady if he hadn't destroyed his knee).

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    I figured Manning would probably win it by default this year and deservedly so. His play down the stretch was absolutely incredible. The only other players who are as valuable as Manning is to their team would be Ryan/Turner of the Falcons or ADP of the Vikings (and of course Brady if he hadn't destroyed his knee).
    Please don't construe this as a knock against Brady or the Patriots.

    I really think Manning is much more valuable to the Colts than Brady is to the Patriots. Really that's a compliment for the Patriots, hell that team really should have made the playoffs this year and they went 11-5 with a backup QB. That's something. Without Manning the Colts would have lucky to have been 7-9 and would have been out of the playoff running very early on. The Pats could probably be relatively successful without Brady while I think the Colts wouldn't even be a playoff team with Manning.

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    All I can do is echo what everyone else has said here. Sometimes I take for granted that we have a player as spectacular as Manning. We expect him to be phenomenal year in and year out. However, this year didn't start that great for him, as he hobbled around and began the year with 10 TD's and 9 picks. But once he felt better, he played maybe the best football I've seen him play in his career, throwing 17 TD's and just 3 picks. His play the second half was the epitome of what an MVP does.

    It's just amazing that we in Indiana are watching one of the best players ever. I really do believe that whenever he hangs it up, Manning might be considered the Greatest of All Time.

    And I also don't believe for a second that he will ever play anywhere but here. I would be absolutely shocked if Manning pulled anything like Favre did last year with the Packers. He'll retire as a Colt, and that will be it. He's not a media whore like Favre is.

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    Please don't construe this as a knock against Brady or the Patriots.

    I really think Manning is much more valuable to the Colts than Brady is to the Patriots. Really that's a compliment for the Patriots, hell that team really should have made the playoffs this year and they went 11-5 with a backup QB. That's something. Without Manning the Colts would have lucky to have been 7-9 and would have been out of the playoff running very early on. The Pats could probably be relatively successful without Brady while I think the Colts wouldn't even be a playoff team with Manning.
    I agree with that this year. It is always very difficult to compare a players value with his team compared to another players value with his team. Cassel has played well, but Welker and Moss have done most of the work for him. The Pats wideouts probably have the most YAC in the entire league. If you take Brady away from the Pats of old back before we had Moss and Welker, I think you could really say that he is equally as valuable to the Pats as Manning is to the Colts. But that is all neither here nor there.

    I may not be a huge Colts fan, but it is always great watching Manning play. It is really a testament to Mannings legacy when you consider this is his worst year statistically in the past decade and he still wins the MVP.
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    No surprise. I'm just glad Harrison (James, who finished fourth) will feel snubbed for any matchup with with Manning or Pennington. He plays better when he's angry.

    The NFL really needs to consider what baseball does, one award for the best QB and one award for the best player.
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    4th in MVP voting is a snub?
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    4th in MVP voting is a snub?
    LOL, not to mention he tied for 4th in the voting.....

    Philip Rivers throwing 34 touchdowns with 11 picks only to miss the Pro Bowl to a Brett Favre who threw 22 and 22 is a textbook "snub." Tying someone for 4th place in MVP voting while the winner gets 32 out of 50 votes is not.

    Manning getting 64% of the vote shows that he was the consensus MVP. There's no regional bias or anything like that at play. It's not like an Indy writer had the tie breaking vote. If you honestly feel snubbed in that situation then you're pretty delusional.
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    4th in MVP voting is a snub?
    16 sacks and 7 forced fumbles in 14.5 games. (and unlike other sack leaders who only rush the QB, he drops into pass coverage about 1/3 of the time and also had 4 "passes defended" - breakups - and an interception.)

    In Harrison's mind, everyone is out to disrespect him. It gives him the nasty edge you want from an OLB. He doesn't talk to the media very often but the consensus from the writers that cover him daily and his teammates is that he's always looking for every extra bit of motivation he can find. He was undrafted, after all. And most undrafted defensive players do look for motivation like that.

    Do I think he was snubbed? Not for MVP. If he doesn't win defensive player of the year then I'll think he's been snubbed.

    Does he think he was snubbed? And does he do an excellent job of turning a perceived snub into great performance? Yes and yes. This was a great setup for him. I'm looking forward to watching it next week.

    Clearly the writers are almost always going to vote for a QB for this award, though. I'm not surprised. Occasionally a running back steals the award from a QB, but not very often. That's why this awared is a bit of a joke. The only players really eligible because of the narroww-minded voters are the QBs, and I won't argue with anyone that Manning - espcially over the past two months - was the best of the QBs.

    The last non offensive-backfield winner was Lawrence Taylor in '86. I'm not saying Harrison has had a Lawrence Taylor type career, but he had a Lawrence Taylor type season this year.
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    In Harrison's mind, everyone is out to disrespect him. It gives him the nasty edge you want from an OLB.
    Well, okay. Sounds kind of immature and boring to me.
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    Yeah I mean if that's the kind of thing you need to get up for a playoff game then I guess more power to ya.

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    Position on Passing Statistics Leaderboards

    Manning is currently on pace to break the career records in every major statistical category for a quarterback, including most career passing touchdowns, most career completions, and most career passing yards. Manning is currently ranked in the top ten in all of these categories:

    * Touchdown Passes: 333 (4th)
    * Passes Completed: 3,839 (5th)
    * Passing Yards: 45,628 (7th)
    * Passer Rating: 94.7 (2nd)
    * Passing Yards per Game: 257.8 (2nd)
    * Completion Percentage: 64.4% (3rd)
    And some awards and records....

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    Career Awards and Records

    Major High School Awards

    * 1992, 1993 Louisiana Class 2A MVP
    * 1993 Gatorade Circle of Champions Award
    * 1993 Atlanta TD Club's Bobby Dodd Award
    * 1993 New Orleans Quarterback Club Player of the Year
    * 1993 Columbus, Ohio Touchdown Club Offensive Player of the Year
    * 1993 Gatorade High School Player of the Year (National)

    College Awards

    * 1994 SEC Freshman of the Year
    * 1995 First-Team All-SEC
    * 1995 SEC Offensive Player of the Week (vs. Arkansas)
    * 1995 NCAA Offensive Player of the Week (vs. Arkansas)
    * 1996 Second-Team All-SEC
    * 1996 Third-Team All-American
    * 1996 SEC Offensive Player of the Week (vs. South Carolina)
    * 1996 SEC Offensive Player of the Week (vs. Georgia)
    * 1997 Davey O'Brien Award
    * 1997 Johnny Unitas Award
    * 1997 Maxwell Award
    * 1997 James E. Sullivan Award
    * 1997 Today's Top VIII Award
    * 1997 SEC Championship MVP
    * 1997 Citrus Bowl MVP
    * 1997 First-Team All-American
    * 1997 SEC Player of the Year
    * 1997 First-Team All-SEC
    * 1997 SEC Player of the Week (vs. Southern Miss)
    * 1998 Best College Player ESPY Award

    NFL Awards

    * NFL MVP (2003, 2004, 2008)
    * Best NFL Player ESPY Award(2004, 2005)
    * 9-Time Pro Bowl Selection (1999-2000, 2002-2008)
    * First Team All-Pro(2003, 2004, 2005)
    * Second Team All-Pro(1999, 2000, 2006)
    * Bert Bell Award (2003, 2004)
    * 1998 NFL All-Rookie First Team
    * 2004 AFC Offensive Player of the Year
    * 2004 Fedex Express Player of the Year
    * 2005 Best Record-Breaking Performance ESPY Award
    * 2005 Walter Payton Man of the Year Award
    * 2005 Byron “Whizzer” White Humanitarian Award
    * 2005 Pro Bowl MVP
    * 2007 Super Bowl MVP
    * 2007 Best Championship Performance ESPY Award

    Additionally, Manning has been named the AFC Offensive Player of the Month three times (9/2003, 11/2004, 10/2006) and Offensive Player of the Week on 19 occasions (18 AFC, 1 NFL/playoff).

    College Records

    Tennessee Volunteers Records

    * Most passing attempts (career): 1,381
    * Most passing attempts (season): 477 (1997)
    * Most passing attempts (game): 65 (09/21/96 vs. Florida)
    * Most completions (career): 863
    * Most completions (game): 37 (09/21/96 vs. Florida)
    * Most consecutive completions (game): 12 (11/22/97 vs. Kentucky)
    * Highest completion percentage (career): 62.49%
    * Highest completion percentage (season): 64.2% (1995)
    * Lowest interception percentage (career): 2.39%
    * Lowest interception percentage (season): 1.05% (1995)
    * Most consecutive passes without an interception (season): 132
    * Most passing yards (season): 3,819 (1997)
    * Most passing yards (career): 11,201
    * Most passing yards (game): 508 (11/22/97 vs. Kentucky)
    * Most offensive yards (career): 11,020
    * Most 500+ passing yard games (career): 1
    * Most 400+ passing yard games (career): 3
    * Most 300+ passing yard games (career): 18
    * Most 300+ passing yard games (season): 9 (1997)
    * Most consecutive 300+ passing yard games: 7
    * Most 200+ passing yard games (career): 30
    * Most wins as starting quarterback (career): 39
    * Most touchdown passes (career): 89
    * Most touchdown passes (game): 5 (08/30/97 vs. Texas Tech, 11/22/97 vs. Kentucky)
    * Most touchdowns (career): 101
    * Most offensive plays (career): 1,534
    * Most offensive plays (season): 538 (1997)
    * Most offensive plays (game): 70 (09/21/96 vs. Florida)

    SEC Records

    * Lowest interception percentage (season): 1.05% (1995)
    * Highest completion percentage (career): 62.49%
    * Lowest interception percentage (career): 2.39%
    * Most 300+ passing yard games (career): 18

    NFL Records

    Career (individual)


    Manning holds a number of individual career records:

    * Most seasons with at least 4,000 passing yards (1999–2004, 2006–2008): 9
    * Most consecutive seasons with at least 4,000 passing yards: 6 (1999-2004)
    * Most consecutive seasons with at least 25 touchdown passes: 11 (1998–2008; current)
    * Most games with a perfect passer rating, career: 4 (includes 1 playoff game)
    * Most consecutive games started to open a career by a quarterback (current): 176
    * Highest passer rating, season: 121.1 (2004)
    * Most consecutive games with at least 2 touchdown passes: 13 (games 1–13, 2004)
    * Most consecutive games with at least 4 touchdown passes: 5 (games 7–11, 2004)
    * Most games with at least 4 touchdown passes (season, 2004): 6 (tied with 1984 Marino)[171]
    * Most games with at least 5 touchdown passes, career: 7 (includes 1 playoff game)
    * Highest career TDs/game average for any QB with at least 150 TDs: 1.90 TDs/game
    * Highest career passing yards/game average: 260.2
    * Highest career completions/game average (min. 100 games played): 21.7
    * Most consecutive games with a passer rating over 100: 9 (games 5-13 of 2004 season; record tied by Carson Palmer, 2004-05 and Tom Brady, 2006-07)
    * Most seasons with 12+ wins as a starter (regular season only): 7 (1999, 2003-2008)
    * Only QB with at least 12 wins as a starter in 6 consecutive seasons (2003-2008)
    * First QB to defeat the other 31 teams in the regular season (Tom Brady did this later the same day, and Brett Favre did it the following week)

    Playoff Records

    * Most 400+ yard passing games: 2 (tied with Dan Marino)
    * Most yards passing, 1st half of game: 360 vs. Denver Broncos, 1/9/05
    * Led the biggest comeback in conference championship game history (18 pts), 1/21/07 vs. New England
    * One of only four QB's to post a perfect 158.3 rating in a game (Don Meredith, Terry Bradshaw, Dave Krieg)
    * One of only three QB's to complete 30 or more passes in 2 playoff games (Warren Moon, Tom Brady)
    * Most consecutive games with 20+ completions: 7 (tied w/Tom Brady)

    Rookie Records

    * Most passing attempts: 575
    * Most completions: 326
    * Most passing yards: 3,739
    * Most touchdown passes: 26
    * Most consecutive games with a touchdown pass (games 4-16): 13

    With Marvin Harrison

    Manning and Colts wide receiver Marvin Harrison hold a number of QB-WR tandem records:

    * Most completions (career): 971
    * Most passing/receiving yards (career): 13,090
    * Most passing/receiving touchdowns (career): 110

    Pro Bowl Records

    * Most passing attempts (career): 150
    * Most passing attempts (game): 41 (2004)
    * Most completions (career): 92
    * Most completions (game): 22 (2004)
    * Most passing yards (career): 1,278
    * Most passing yards (game): 342 (2004)
    * Most passing touchdowns (career): 13

    Colts Franchise Records

    * Most passing attempts (career): 5,960
    * Most passing attempts (season): 591 (2002)
    * Most passing attempts (rookie season): 575 (1998)
    * Most 40+ passing attempt games (career): 41
    * Most completions (career): 3,839
    * Most completions (season): 392 (2002)
    * Most completions (rookie season): 326 (1998)
    * Most completions (game): 37 (11/03/02 vs. Tennessee; tied with Jeff George)
    * Most completions (rookie game): 30 (11/01/98 vs. New England)
    * Most consecutive completions: 17 (09/25/05–10/02/05 vs. Cleveland/Tennessee; tied w/Bert Jones)
    * Most games with 20+ completions (career): 120
    * Most consecutive games with 20+ completions: 12 (games 3-14, 2003)
    * Highest completion percentage (career): 64.0%
    * Highest completion percentage (season): 67.6% (2004)
    * Highest completion percentage (rookie season): 56.7%
    * Highest completion percentage (game): 87.5% (14/16 for 95 yards, 12/30/07 vs. Tennessee)
    * Most passing yards (career): 45,628
    * Most passing yards (season): 4,557 (2004)
    * Most passing yards (rookie season): 3,739
    * Most passing yards (game): 472 (10/31/04 vs. Kansas City)
    * Most 300+ passing yard games (career): 44
    * Most 300+ passing yard games (season): 6 (2004 and 2006)
    * Most 300+ passing yard games (rookie season): 4
    * Most consecutive passing 300+ yard games: 3 (games 6–8, 2006; tied w/Johnny Unitas)
    * Most seasons with at least 4,000 passing yards (1999–2004, 2006–2008): 9
    * Most consecutive seasons with at least 4,000 passing yards (1999–2004): 6
    * Most touchdown passes (career): 333
    * Most touchdown passes (season): 49 (2004)
    * Most touchdown passes (rookie season): 26
    * Most touchdown passes (game): 6 (09/28/03 vs. New Orleans and 11/25/04 vs. Detroit)
    * Most touchdown passes (rookie game): 3 (4 times; tied with Johnny Unitas and Jeff George)
    * Most games with at least 4 touchdown passes (career): 17
    * Most games with at least 4 touchdown passes (season, 2004): 6
    * Most games with at least 3 touchdown passes (career): 50
    * Most games with at least 1 touchdown pass (season): 15 (5 times)
    * Most games with at least 1 touchdown pass (rookie season): 15 (1998)
    * Most consecutive games with at least 4 touchdown passes (games 7–11, 2004): 5 (2004)
    * Most consecutive games with at least 3 touchdown passes: 8 (games 5–12, 2004)
    * Most consecutive games with at least 2 touchdown passes: 13 (games 1–13, 2004)
    * Most consecutive games with at least 1 touchdown pass (rookie season): 13 (games 4–16)
    * Most consecutive seasons with at least 25 touchdown passes (1998–2007, current): 10
    * Highest touchdown percentage (career): 5.66%
    * Highest touchdown percentage (season): 9.86% (2004)
    * Highest touchdown percentage (game): 24.00% (09/28/03 vs. New Orleans)
    * Most interceptions thrown (game): 6 (11/11/07 vs. San Diego)
    * Most interceptions thrown (season): 28 (1998)
    * Highest passer rating (career): 94.7
    * Highest passer rating (season): 121.1 (2004)
    * Most games with a perfect passer rating (career): 4 (includes 1 playoff game)
    * Most consecutive games started to open a career by a quarterback (current): 169
    * Most consecutive games started, franchise history: 176 (current)
    * Most game-winning drives in the 4th quarter/overtime (career): 34 (tied w/Johnny Unitas)
    * Most game-winning drives in the 4th
    quarter/overtime (season): 7 (1999)
    By the time Peyton retires, he'll be the greatest QB of all-time, statistically, likely by a wide margin.

    Of course we've got the group of people who measure individual greatness by team success (Bradshaw > Marino ), so in order to keep them happy he'll need at least one more Super Bowl victory.

    Peyton Manning is a better football player than Kobe Bryant is a basketball player.

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    Jesus what a career.

    And he just finished his 11th season! He could very well have 5 more outstanding years, followed by 2 or 3 "OK" ones.

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    Unless he gets a chronic injury I think he'll be excellent until he decides to hang 'em up. Age ain't what it used to be. These guys don't take offseasons off any more and the conditioning they go through's a big reason why you're seeing players at skill positions have huge seasons late in their careers. RB's the exception due to wear-and-tear.
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    Unless he gets a chronic injury I think he'll be excellent until he decides to hang 'em up. Age ain't what it used to be. These guys don't take offseasons off any more and the conditioning they go through's a big reason why you're seeing players at skill positions have huge seasons late in their careers. RB's the exception due to wear-and-tear.

    I agree with that. And we all know Manning is obsessive compulsive about working out and being prepared.

    I predict he wins 2 more Super Bowls in his career (maybe he doesn't win another one, as we all know how damn hard it is to win one). But if he can just get one more then he will go down as the consensus GOAT by the time he hangs it up. He would have all of the records and multiple championships. It would certainly be hard to argue with that. Even if he doesn't win another one, I still think there will be quite a few who consider him the GOAT when he's done.

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    Peyton is truely an incredible player and this MVP is well deserved, but when you think of the first few games he had, all this really does is speak to what a crap fest the NFL is this year.

    EDIT: As far as, the age thing. I think Peyton has the potential to be effective as long as he wants to be, no serious injuries (yet, *knock on wood*), and he doesn't allow himself to get beat up on.

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    Here's my question, if the Colts win the Super Bowl this year, do they qualify as a dynasty? Two super bowls, in a six year stretch that saw us win 12 straight games a year (the only team to ever do that). I know you typically need three super bowls to get the dynasty tag, but when you factor in our five division titles, does that push them over the top?

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