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    Default Re: The Official "Fire Jim O'Brien!" Thread

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    Do you really think a better alternative is available in the here and now? If so, who? Mike Brown?
    I would not be opposed to this. At all.

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    Default Re: The Official "Fire Jim O'Brien!" Thread

    Do you think they could adjust mid-season?

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    I would not be opposed to this. At all.
    Seconded...

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    Do you think they could adjust mid-season?
    Yes, I think this team as built currently could. If nothing else, they end up not much worse off than they currently are, with a head start going into the next season, whenever that may be...

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    Do you think they could adjust mid-season?
    I think just bringing in some new blood would excite the guys enough to at least put out the effort.

    (Not saying they haven't been putting out the effort)

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    Almost anyone would be an improvement. JOB's rotations and PT distribution are stupid beyond belief.

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    You're right 2 out of 3 isn't bad. Then again, their wins were against horrible teams like the Skins and the Bills. Let's be honest. You can fire Jim O'Brien and hire the right coach. OR You can fire Jim O'Brien and unleash a grease fire. Which is more likely?

    Do you really think the players can mentally and physically adjust to a new system and finish with a better record this season? Do you really think a better alternative is available in the here and now? If so, who? Mike Brown?
    How many of these players have the current system figured out? It apparently takes playing in it three years to figure it out. The only guys who have played in it for three years are Granger, Dunleavy, and Foster. Of those three, Granger is the only one likely to be on the team next season. I think we would be better off making one player adjust to a new system than have to wait years for twelve players to figure this one out.

    Mike Brown probably isn't going to come in and save the day mid-season, but that would be fantastic if he would. I think it is more likely you go the interim head coach route with one of the assistants currently on the roster, and then you get somebody like Brown (who I would really like as the next coach) to come in during the summer.

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    I'm glad I continue to get converts to the AJ Price bandwagon

    Asking JOB to adjust to different teams against certain players..not going to happen very often.

    But honestly, it doesn't matter what JOB does, if Granger and Hibbert continue to play poorly, we won't win.
    Hence the reason why I don't want to get rid of JOB. Of course, most people will look right pass that comment. It's ALWAYS JOB's fault with some people on this forum.

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    Hence the reason why I don't want to get rid of JOB. Of course, most people will look right pass that comment. It's ALWAYS JOB's fault with some people on this forum.

    BUT why are Granger and Hibbert playing poorly? Isn't it part of the job description of a head coach to get players and keep players playing well? If they can't, why are they coaching? Jimmy can't seem to coach the players Bird gives him, so other than the money owed to Jimmy why is he still the coach when he can't get the players to play?
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    If this team goes anymore below .500 or they fall out of the 8th spot then I EXPECT O'Brien to be fired. We have been lead to believe that this is a playoff team and anything less should result in coaching and philosophy changes.

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    I agree that some players have been awarded more than their fair share of playing time. However, James Posey is among the most effective players on the team. His defense alone has been a lift. If you disagree with that statement, then you aren't watching the games.
    It absolutely has. Right up until the point where he exceeds a certain number of minutes (let's give it an arbitrary number of 15). Then while the D is still decent, the rest of is starts to decline. Dude gets tired and he's entitled to it.
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    BUT why are Granger and Hibbert playing poorly? Isn't it part of the job description of a head coach to get players and keep players playing well? If they can't, why are they coaching? Jimmy can't seem to coach the players Bird gives him, so other than the money owed to Jimmy why is he still the coach?
    So Granger's poor shooting and Hibbert's being bullied around is JOB's fault? Granger knows what he needs to do to get his shooting touch back, and Hibbert needs to show more passion and desire in wanting to dominant the paint. You can't coach that. JOB has already stated that Roy is having a bad season, so hopefully that will light a fire underneath his *ss. JOB (or Bird) has yet to publicly call out Granger. Both players have all the makings of being All-Star/Elite players, but they still lack that "killer instinct" which will take them to the next level.

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    BUT why are Granger and Hibbert playing poorly? Isn't it part of the job description of a head coach to get players and keep players playing well?
    The coach has to give them opportunities to play well. If the player does not execute when given an open shot, it isn't the coach's fault - how can it be?

    You can point to whether the opportunities are or are not sufficient, but don't just look at raw numbers and blame it on the coach. There's a lot of shouting about missed open 3's, which can MAYBE be blamed on JOB's emphasis even with shooters who have no business taking them, but what about the missed open FT-line-extended or top of the key or layups or short face-up jumpers? Players should make those.
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    Do you really think a better alternative is available in the here and now? If so, who? Mike Brown?
    IF, Jim is let go during this season... I can all but assure you an interim off his staff is who you'll see coach till the next time the ball goes up sometime in 2011 or '12 providing the lockout doesn't squander next season.

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    Default Re: The Official "Fire Jim O'Brien!" Thread

    Lately when the coach gets fired the owner makes the GM (or whatever Larry is called) coach the team since he put the mess together in the first place.

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    The coach has to give them opportunities to play well. If the player does not execute when given an open shot, it isn't the coach's fault - how can it be?

    You can point to whether the opportunities are or are not sufficient, but don't just look at raw numbers and blame it on the coach. There's a lot of shouting about missed open 3's, which can MAYBE be blamed on JOB's emphasis even with shooters who have no business taking them, but what about the missed open FT-line-extended or top of the key or layups or short face-up jumpers? Players should make those.
    That too. Indiana has attempted 496 FTs for the season, where 1st place attempted 768 FTs. We're 7th in TPG, 7th in FPG, 18th PPG, 18th FG%, and 16th 3PT% . As a team, we need tighten some of those stats up.

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    I think if you replace Jim after we lose to the Lakers tomorrow and replace him with anybody, you will see a new sense of hope. Its like if at work you have a tyrant for a manager who, no matter how hard you work, is constantly putting you down, you jump for joy when that manager is replaced

    I think just by mere default , replacing Jim NOW would benefit the current Pacer squad tremendously.

    Seriously, who would want to work for someone who constantly plays mind games , insults you, and on top of that has no winning record and hasn't accomplished ***

    I would cut off my pinky if he was fired today. SO yes I don't think anything but good can come from firing his tired azz now

    Forget the substitution patterns, the reliance on the proverbial stretch 4, the poor coaching decisions

    he is just a complete jerk, and for that alone I will thank God when he moves back to Philly
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    Hence the reason why I don't want to get rid of JOB. Of course, most people will look right pass that comment. It's ALWAYS JOB's fault with some people on this forum.
    It's because while Roy and Danny play poorly some nights, it feels like Jim coaches badly on most or all nights.....

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    So Granger's poor shooting and Hibbert's being bullied around is JOB's fault? Granger knows what he needs to do to get his shooting touch back, and Hibbert needs to show more passion and desire in wanting to dominant the paint. You can't coach that. JOB has already stated that Roy is having a bad season, so hopefully that will light a fire underneath his *ss. JOB (or Bird) has yet to publicly call out Granger. Both players have all the makings of being All-Star/Elite players, but they still lack that "killer instinct" which will take them to the next level.

    Oh coaches don't coach players on shooting or trying to get a player to be more aggressive? Hum, that's quite interesting. Maybe that's part of Jimmy's problem of coaching. Let's not hold Jimmy to any accountability by not doing part of his job.

    With your misguilded view, I guess it isn't part of a teachers job to encourage and help students in areas they have problems in either. Then maybe that's what is part of todays problem with the school system... just have low expections with little to no accountability.

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    It's because while Roy and Danny play poorly some nights, it feels like Jim coaches badly on most or all nights.....
    I think we would need some type of barometer to measure that. The team is only 1 game under .500 - they did win at Miami and LA. They have played some good ball this season. Goes back to my question, if you are going to blame the coach for certain losses then you have to credit him for certain wins. Either you do both or you do neither. (As I have mentioned dozens of times I don't judge a coach that way, so I don't credit him with the Lakers win or blame him for the Bulls loss last night)

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    Hence the reason why I don't want to get rid of JOB. Of course, most people will look right pass that comment. It's ALWAYS JOB's fault with some people on this forum.
    Wha? So just because 2 players are slumping we should just forgive the poor job he has done/doing? Please spare me the "he was a good coach with team X" does that help with this team now? His inability to build a system that fits the current rosters talents/limitations is quite apparent, Its almost like he's too proud (and I'm being kind to just use proud) to admit his system just wont work or maybe hes simply not a good enough coach to come up with something better. I have no idea why he's still here and can only hope we have a new leader next season but for now you keep trying to jam that square peg in that round hole JOB. Go Pacers!

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    It's ALWAYS JOB's fault with some people on this forum.
    Not me. I ALWAYS blame Larry Bird.

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    Goes back to my question, if you are going to blame the coach for certain losses then you have to credit him for certain wins.
    Really, you don't. The team after the recent personnel changes engineered by Larry Bird is improved. Jim has found a way to change the strategy to make the team worse after the first month AND damage chemisty by creating a PG controversy. None of this deserves credit.

    With that said, no, I don't think Jim is a bad coach. I really don't, but maybe I should.

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    With that said, no, I don't think Jim is a bad coach. I really don't, but maybe I should.
    I don't think he is a bad coach either. I think he is a very average NBA coach. Not one of the worst, not one of the best. At this point, I just think he has about run his course with us. I'm more than okay with him finishing the season, but at the end of the season I would like to see us go in a different direction.

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    Why do I feel like I'll have to do this all season

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