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    I say it's time to fire Dick Harter. He was brought in to teach the Pacers how to play defense. He's a defensive specialist...but obviously the game has passed him by. Either our players are not good enough to execute his system, or he's so old he's lost his ability to teach it properly and enforce how to do it the right way. Which ever, Harter should take full responsibility for our defensive struggles and be fired immediately! I love Obrien's offense...it's just Harter's defense I can't stand.

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    Default Re: The Official "Fire Jim O'Brien!" Thread

    the pacers don't have the right players to play D

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    just wanted to know when Jim O' brien will be held accountable for all of these losses. i mean sometimes i wonder what on earth he is doing. he doesn't play McRoberts he takes Hibbert out in the 4th quarter when he was doing good in the 3rd quarter and he did the same w/ Rush in the Milwaukee game. This guy is an average coach. Bird needs to bring in a Avery Johnson or someone like that , that has a winning recipe for success. And what's mind boggling is JOB continues to show that his teams do not and will not play defense... your thoughts?
    JOB coaches the offense...Dick Harter coaches the defense. Harter was brought in to make us a tough NBA defensive team...he has failed miserably. Fire coach Harter!!!

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    To those asking about the name, while I didn't chose it, I can understand it because I believe this thread is a merger of various threads all having to do with "When will Bird hold him accountable" and the like. It's not supposed to be the plain, generic "Jim O'Brien thread." It's just to keep all of the calls for his head in one spot.

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    I say it's time to fire Dick Harter. He was brought in to teach the Pacers how to play defense. He's a defensive specialist...but obviously the game has passed him by. Either our players are not good enough to execute his system, or he's so old he's lost his ability to teach it properly and enforce how to do it the right way. Which ever, Harter should take full responsibility for our defensive struggles and be fired immediately! I love Obrien's offense...it's just Harter's defense I can't stand.
    Harter is almost 80 years old and he's not in charge of the defense, so unless you want to fire him because he's old, there is no reason to

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    Harter is almost 80 years old and he's not in charge of the defense, so unless you want to fire him because he's old, there is no reason to
    It'll be a sad day when he completely retires. I was already depressed when I learned he wasn't doing the defense planning.
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    JOB coaches the offense...Dick Harter coaches the defense. Harter was brought in to make us a tough NBA defensive team...he has failed miserably. Fire coach Harter!!!
    So you're saying Dick Harter has gotten soft in his old age?
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    Harter is almost 80 years old and he's not in charge of the defense, so unless you want to fire him because he's old, there is no reason to
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    I believe this thread is a merger of various threads all having to do with "When will Bird hold him accountable" and the like.
    I assume JOB vs Carlisle is in here, too?

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    It'll be a sad day when he completely retires. I was already depressed when I learned he wasn't doing the defense planning.

    Who is running the defense?

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    Who is running the defense?
    I believe I heard O'Brien mention on his radio show that Lester Conner is running the defense - and I think he might have mentioned with some help from Dan Burke

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    Lester "The Molester" was good at playing defense, but I'm not sold on his coaching it so far.

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    I believe I heard O'Brien mention on his radio show that Lester Conner is running the defense - and I think he might have mentioned with some help from Dan Burke
    Then what is Dick Harter doing?

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    Then what is Dick Harter doing?

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    I'm thinking he's more of a general advisor to O'Brien and probably does various tasks during practice (drills and the like). I'm sure he does enough to carry his weight.

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    Yeah, I heard O'Brien describe what Harter does - and I forget exactly -gameplans - practice stuff. - Not sure. JOB trusts him 100%.
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    Whether it's Conner, Burke, or whoever, there is no way around the situation that the Pacers play terrible defense. There is NO reason or excuse that this
    team isn't playing better "D" than it does with the players it has. Granted they aren't the best, but they are capable of better than what has been shown the last 20 plus games. They played some decent "D" early in the season with the same players, so it's not like they are incapable of doing it.

    If they need better players to play better "D", then it's up to Bird to get them!

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    We give up the 3rd highest points per game in the entire league. Only Golden State and the Knicks have us beat. Until this changes dramatically, nothing much will change. OTOH, the Cavs, Celtics, Hornets, Magic, Spurs and Pistons give up the least number of points per game. Funny how a little defense can bring in the W's.

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    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/s...dictions09/nba

    "Coaching Hot Seat Cools Off"

    Marc Stein, ESPN.com: The first day of 2009 will mark the 17th consecutive day a coach has not been fired.


    This season?


    That qualifies as hard news.


    But after a whopping six coaches were canned in a 24-day span before Christmas -- doubling the previous NBA record of three and after just one in-season coaching change (Chicago firing Scott Skiles) was made in 2007-08 -- our crystal ball says we won't see any more firings until after the regular season.


    OK, OK. Maybe there will be one more no one in coaching circles anticipates right now, given how volatile this business is these days. Yet it appears the coaching carousel has really (and mercifully) stopped spinning until the end of the regular season.


    Eight teams began this season with new coaches. Six teams just made changes. And when you scan the other half of the league for coaches in trouble, there are good reasons to argue against any of the four coaches with records well under .500 being asked to leave in season.



    • Memphis' Marc Iavaroni has the young Grizzlies playing nearly .500 ball at home ... and has received pretty strong public backing from Grizz owner Michael Heisley that his job is safe for the rest of the season. You can dismiss it as the dreaded "vote of confidence," but none of the six coaches fired since Nov. 22 received the level of on-the-record support Iavaroni got when Heisley announced earlier this month that "I'm behind him 100 percent."


    • Golden State's Don Nelson just beat Boston without Monta Ellis, Jamal Crawford and Corey Maggette and just received a contract extension in October. So even if Nelson were trying to get himself fired, as has been suggested by various media types, given the stunning lack of defense and focus we've seen from the Warriors at times, it's not going to happen, after the Dubs locked themselves into paying Nellie $12 million over the next two seasons.


    In Indiana, Jim O'Brien is Larry Bird's guy, handpicked by Bird in his first coaching selection since succeeding Donnie Walsh as the Pacers' lead decision-maker. The Pacers certainly expected to be better, but they aren't deep enough in this early stage of their rebuilding to cope with a steady stream of injuries, most notably Mike Dunleavy's season-long absence.


    • Dunleavy's father, meanwhile, probably is even safer in Clipperland than Nelson is in Oakland because of his financial insulation. With Mike Dunleavy Sr. now in charge of personnel as well, Clippers owner Donald Sterling would have to pay off Dunleavy's lucrative contract (he's due $10-plus million over two years after this season) and likely find two replacements, one for the bench and one for the front office. Even the idea that Dunleavy would restrict himself to GM duties and replace himself with assistant coach Kim Hughes looks like a long shot, no matter how much happier that would make Baron Davis.


    Don't fret, though. You can be sure the carousel will be spinning again soon enough, in April and May, with the likes of Flip Saunders, Eddie Jordan, Avery Johnson and Sam Mitchell on the market and playoff disappointments leading to another change or three.


    I'd say we've seen enough turnover for one season anyway. Haven't we?

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    So, if I read this right, there's no basis for any allegation that O'Brien's job is imperiled, and plenty of reason to explain the Pacers disappointing performance so far on factors other than O'Brien. Have I got that right?
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    ...Still "flying casual"
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    Default Re: The Official "Fire Jim O'Brien!" Thread

    To address the title; I agree, FIRE O'BRIEN!!!

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    Default Re: The Official "Fire Jim O'Brien!" Thread

    As last nights Phoenix game progressed, I could not believe what I was seeing. O'Brien calling timeouts to slow the opponent and manage the tempo of the game. Using substitutions that made sense at the time. By the middle of the 4th, I was convinced that O'Brien was coaching his best game since his arrival here. Without proper coaching from the sidelines from O'Brien, we would have actually lost this game. I really never thought I would ever post an entry like this with respect to O'Brien. Even if we had lost, it still would have qualified, in my opinion, as easily his best performance. Bravo, Jim!

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    We give up the 3rd highest points per game in the entire league. Only Golden State and the Knicks have us beat. Until this changes dramatically, nothing much will change. OTOH, the Cavs, Celtics, Hornets, Magic, Spurs and Pistons give up the least number of points per game. Funny how a little defense can bring in the W's.
    Points per game is meaningless.

    Those teams you list all play at much slower paces then us. Fewer possessions mean fewer points per game, regardless of how good your defense is.

    Points per possession is the much more relevant statistic if you want to talk about overarching team defensive ability over the course of a season.

    When you adjust for pace, we're 18th in the League.

    Clearly, most of the best teams in the NBA this season tend to play at a slower pace. And that may be telling. But the debate over pace is an entirely different one from the debate over defensive efficiency, where, again, we rank middle of the pack at 18th.

    No, that's not great -- nor even particularly good. But we're certainly not nearly as defensively deficient as the actually abysmal teams like Golden State, Sacramento or Washington. (Nor are even the Knicks actually.)
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    somebody that loves JOB please tell me why foster and Jack where on the floor at the end of the game? 5 guys guarding 3

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    somebody that loves JOB please tell me why foster and Jack where on the floor at the end of the game? 5 guys guarding 3
    I think JOB is coaching-impaired.

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