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  • Re: The Official "Fire Jim O'Brien!" Thread

    Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
    If the pacers are goin to fire O'Brien - Monday is a good day to do it. Pacers play Sunday and then not again until Friday

    You got some inside info? J/K

    Or Jimmy might want to take that time, if he isn't fired, and work on some basics.

    How about working on getting a better inside game so his love for his outside game works.

    How about working on rebounding, boxing out, etc.

    Setting of picks can definately use some work.

    Emphasizing MOVEMENT and not standing around at the arch waiting on someone to pass them the ball.

    Work on Hibbert to speed up his moves once he gets the ball, and how to pass it out of a double team since he's slow in making a move.

    Teaching the players the value of each possession and how their sloppy play kills so many possessions.

    Concentrating having players shoot 3's isn't what I consider a basic part of BB.

    Just in case it has escaped the notice of the FO and ownership, at 13-16 this team is IN THE LOTTERY with 4 teams within 3 games behind ready to push them out of the playoffs. If they aren't going to change coaches, maybe they should consider having their coach try a different coaching method that doesn't "emphasize shooting 3's" as the basis for playing BB. That novel idea seems to work for other coaches.

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    • Re: The Official "Fire Jim O'Brien!" Thread

      Originally posted by bhaas0532 View Post
      i think we should take a page from the Texans fans, and have a rally voicing our displeasure in public. Still don't think it would be enough though. JOB must have some dirt on the Simons and/or Bird. Why else is he still here?

      B/c they stated earlier they are pleased with how things were going. When this team gets 6-7 games under .500 and out of the playoff 8, maybe they will want to re-think their stance on how pleased they are.

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      • Re: The Official "Fire Jim O'Brien!" Thread

        Originally posted by cdash View Post
        No, that would not be the case. There's a reason every single fanbase *****es about their coach not playing the young guys. You may want to believe it is an isolated incident, but it's not.
        Of course every fanbase complains about their coach, but no other lottery/.500 team insists on playing their mediocre vets over their lottery picks just because the coach is insane... or that coach was fired long ago.

        Blair, Splitter, Gay, Love, Beasley, Jennings, Curry, Bogut, Bargnani, and countless other young players have gotten plenty of playing time during their rookie/sophomore teams, on both rebuilding teams and contenders. Why can't PG get garbage time when we're blowing out a team or when we're getting destroyed? Why is JOB going with stupid lineups like Ford/Dun/Granger/Posey/Foster?

        I could go on about the countless other teams that DO give their young guys AT LEAST garbage minutes. That's one of the most maddening things about JOB. He's playing VETS during garbage time.

        I follow the NBA pretty hardcore and I honestly can't think of any team in recent memory that has the messed up rotations and PT that we do. Of course I could be wrong.
        Last edited by oxxo; 12-29-2010, 01:15 PM.

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        • Re: The Official "Fire Jim O'Brien!" Thread

          Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
          If the pacers are goin to fire O'Brien - Monday is a good day to do it. Pacers play Sunday and then not again until Friday
          Wednesday, December 29, 2010 sounds like a fine day to me.

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          • Re: The Official "Fire Jim O'Brien!" Thread

            Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
            Wednesday, December 29, 2010 sounds like a fine day to me.
            Dec 31 @ 11:59 PM? To ring in the new year?

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            • Re: The Official "Fire Jim O'Brien!" Thread

              Originally posted by flox View Post
              I'm sure a team of Matt Bonner, Chris Quinn, Keith Bogans, Kyle Korver, and Illyasova can give you a team with A 3pt shooting, A effort on defense, A valuing possessions, etc, and that team would win maybe 10 games all season.
              At least that team would have an identity and know who they were.
              Last edited by colts19; 12-29-2010, 07:39 PM.
              Good is the enemy of Great


              We're changing the identity of our basketball team -- dramatically. We're a power post team -- a blood-and-guts, old-school, smash-mouth team that plays with size, strength, speed and athleticism. We attack the basket. . . . This is the new identity of our team. It was a great effort. I'm very proud of our guys."
              -- Frank Vogel.

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              • Re: The Official "Fire Jim O'Brien!" Thread

                Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                If the pacers are goin to fire O'Brien - Monday is a good day to do it. Pacers play Sunday and then not again until Friday
                I'm not falling for it; you can't get my hopes up now.

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                • Re: The Official "Fire Jim O'Brien!" Thread

                  Originally posted by oxxo View Post
                  Of course every fanbase complains about their coach, but no other lottery/.500 team insists on playing their mediocre vets over their lottery picks just because the coach is insane... or that coach was fired long ago.

                  Blair, Splitter, Gay, Love, Beasley, Jennings, Curry, Bogut, Bargnani, and countless other young players have gotten plenty of playing time during their rookie/sophomore teams, on both rebuilding teams and contenders. Why can't PG get garbage time when we're blowing out a team or when we're getting destroyed? Why is JOB going with stupid lineups like Ford/Dun/Granger/Posey/Foster?

                  I could go on about the countless other teams that DO give their young guys AT LEAST garbage minutes. That's one of the most maddening things about JOB. He's playing VETS during garbage time.

                  I follow the NBA pretty hardcore and I honestly can't think of any team in recent memory that has the messed up rotations and PT that we do. Of course I could be wrong.
                  Yes, they do. Hell Kurt Rambis was doing it in Minnesota this season. And Kevin Love is a hell of a lot better than anyone on our team who isn't getting PT. Coaches almost always prefer playing veterans over young guys. JOB is certainly not alone on that front.

                  All those guys you listed as getting PT--they are all leaps and bounds ahead of where Paul George is right now.

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                  • Re: The Official "Fire Jim O'Brien!" Thread

                    Originally posted by cdash View Post
                    Yes, they do. Hell Kurt Rambis was doing it in Minnesota this season. And Kevin Love is a hell of a lot better than anyone on our team who isn't getting PT. Coaches almost always prefer playing veterans over young guys. JOB is certainly not alone on that front.

                    All those guys you listed as getting PT--they are all leaps and bounds ahead of where Paul George is right now.
                    Not that I disagree with you, but how do you know this? It couldn't be from watching his development from the court, so are you privy to the practice sessions?


                    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                    • Re: The Official "Fire Jim O'Brien!" Thread

                      Originally posted by colts19 View Post
                      At least that team would have an idenity and know who they were.
                      That team would force JOB to bring several changes of underwear to every game, if he was their coach.

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                      • Re: The Official "Fire Jim O'Brien!" Thread

                        Originally posted by oxxo View Post
                        Of course every fanbase complains about their coach, but no other lottery/.500 team insists on playing their mediocre vets over their lottery picks just because the coach is insane... or that coach was fired long ago.

                        Let's just exclude contenders and include any team that is lottery/around .500/candidate to a playoff run.


                        Atlanta

                        It's funny, I just read this awhile ago. I think you'll find it amusing, as I did:

                        Michael Cunningham of The Atlanta Journal-Constitution:

                        As an organization the Hawks talked all summer about the importance of Jeff Teague becoming a major contributor. Then he got hurt in training camp and fell behind. It seems he’s been playing catch-up ever since and hasn’t always been afforded the opportunity to work his way through rough stretches or rewarded for his good performances. Certainly Larry Drew has given Teague more opportunities than his predecessor on the bench. But I think a fair interpretation of events is that, despite Drew’s stated desire to mold the Hawks into a defensive team and develop his young players, his decisions in this matter reflect a different tact. (Shoot, it makes me wonder how willing he’d be to stick with the promising 'big' lineup if Jason Collins were a young guy. Would it just mean more Etan Thomas?) Since Drew's actions with Teague don’t always match his words, I can only conclude that he is reluctant to reduce minutes for his two veteran 'shotmakers' with defensive deficiencies for the sake of finding more playing time for his most physically-gifted perimeter defender.
                        It's amazing how similar it is to the claims about O'Brien not developing young players and using veterans ahead of them and how he says one thing and does the opposite, isn't it?

                        Anyway, forget Teague. First round pick Jordan Crawford has played 100 minutes this season. They're playing Mo Evans and... Damien Wilkins (!!!) ahead of him. When Joe Johnson was injured, Wilkins actually played big minutes in a couple of games. They actually signed Wilkins for that purpose. And it doesn't get much crappier than Damien Wilkins. THe other rookie, Pape Sy? He's yet to see a single second of NBA action.

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                        New York Knicks

                        D'Antoni's dislike for young players is well documented. So even though they don't have many veterans, it's no surprise that journeyman Ronny Turiaf has beaten high potential prospects like Mozgov and Randolph for playing time, that Shawne Williams is playing ahead of Bill Walker and that Roger Mason has got more minutes than Andy Rautins.


                        Milwaukee Bucks

                        They don't really have any young players because they just get rid of them in the first place. They cut Tiny Gallon and already during the season waived rookie Darington Hobson to sign.. Brian Skinner. Larry Sanders played 330 minutes so far thanks to the injuries, but he was out of the rotation when the squad was healthy. Expect him to go back to the bench/inactive list once they're in full force again.

                        Philadelphia 76ers

                        2nd overall pick Turner is on the bench. Andres Nocioni plays more than Speights. They're starting Elton Brand and playing him heavy minutes. To open minutes to Nocioni and Tony Battie, they sent Craig Brackins to the D-League.

                        Toronto Raptors

                        This one is easy: Reggie Evans - starter; Ed Davis, lottery pick - D-League. They were playing David Andersen over Julian Wright too. Ah, and over Solomon Alabi, D-League for him too.


                        Charlotte Bobcats

                        Larry Brown rarely plays rookies, no surprise we haven't heard much about Sherron Collins - he's playing in the D-League too. Veteran Dominic McGuire got the nod over 2nd year Gerald Henderson.

                        Detroit Pistons

                        Monroe was nailed to the bench in favour of Charles Villanueva, Ben Wallace and Jason Maxiell. DaJuan Summers collects DNPs and plays garbage minutes. Tracy McGrady averaged almost 20 mpg in December. Hamilton and Prince keep getting big minutes. 36 years old Ben Wallace has now played the double of the minutes that the 15th overall pick Austin Daye got (729 vs. 336). I watched their last game: even Chris Wilcox played more than Daye or Monroe.

                        New Jersey Nets

                        Quinton Ross over Terrence Williams is very explanatory. Kris Humphries starts over Larry Summers. The other rookie, Ben Uzoh, has played 80 minutes. Even Sasha Vujacic, who arrived like one week ago, has already played more.

                        Cleveland Cavaliers

                        A team filled with veterans and some well in their 30s - Jamison, Mo Williams, Anthony Parker, Jamario Moon, Anderson Varejão.

                        First round pick Christian Eyenga? Hasn't even played a single minute! He's in the D-League. Manny Harris? 105 minutes played, all in garbage time. Samardo Samuels? D-League.

                        Washington Wizards

                        First round pick Kevin Seraphin has played 120 minutes, mostly of garbage time. Fellow rookie Hamady Ndyaye played 4 minutes. Even the relatively young Alonzo Gee was barely used - 127 minutes and then cut. Who's playing more than these guys? Hilton Armstrong. Trevor Booker got some burn early on, but now he's sitting down to open minutes to Josh Howard (a 30 years old in a 1 year contract), Rashard Lewis and Al Thornton.

                        ........

                        I'll do the Western Conference later on... but don't expect to see different things.

                        Actually, I'm pretty sure I did this exercise last season too. Does anyone know if that post can be found? (actually the first time I did it was in another board and was about... Doc Rivers. Most Celtics fans were irked with Doc because he wasn't playing Rondo enough and didn't like rookies, etc).

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                        • Re: The Official "Fire Jim O'Brien!" Thread

                          There are many, many players that fans know are better than the alternative on the floor, but the alternative plays anyway. There are reasons for this and they have nothing to do with basketball and a lot to do with money or what the team has decided is the "big picture".

                          So many people seem completely oblivious to the business aspects of the NBA, the pecking order in the locker room in terms of salary, the relationship issues. The NBA is not exactly like the business world, but this is not the pure days of 1965 Indiana high school basketball folks.

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                          • Re: The Official "Fire Jim O'Brien!" Thread

                            Originally posted by Peck View Post
                            Not that I disagree with you, but how do you know this? It couldn't be from watching his development from the court, so are you privy to the practice sessions?
                            I assume you watched his deer in headlights routine when he played earlier this season. All the evidence I need. If you like to replace "leaps and bounds", I won't argue too much. Plus, those guys he listed are pretty established guys.

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                            • Re: The Official "Fire Jim O'Brien!" Thread

                              I love how we picked up JOB's option last season.

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                              • Re: The Official "Fire Jim O'Brien!" Thread

                                Originally posted by TheDoddage View Post
                                I love how we picked up JOB's option last season.
                                I wish Larry Bird was able to coach this team. We've got 60-65 win talent on this roster.

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