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    Jarrett Jack gets the moral game ball.
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    Is tanking time yet?
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    Jarrett Jack gets the moral game ball.
    +1.

    Can someone please break down Obie's rotations or lack there of?

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    Can we PLEASE stop the tank talk? 4 games back with 51 remaining.

    The needs to stop.

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    Close game, close loss. 10-21 sucks.

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    Slick and Mark during the 2nd quarter broadcast-

    The Pacers are, in essence, playing NO defense right now.

    I am paraphrasing (slightly).

    EDIT: But I'm not paraphrasing the "PLAYING NO DEFENSE" part.
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    Is tanking time yet?
    You don't have to tank when you're losing anyway.

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    I know I said the hyperbole should stop, but this is not hyperbole. We may be the worst defensive execution team in the league. I don't buy into the no talent angle because we've seen this team play defense. They're just not putting forth a lot of effort and/or smarts.

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    Are we losing games in the fourth quarter or are we losing them earlier?
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    I know I said the hyperbole should stop, but this is not hyperbole. We may be the worst defensive execution team in the league. I don't buy into the no talent angle because we've seen this team play defense. They're just not putting forth a lot of effort and/or smarts.
    I don't disagree, but we are lacking in personnel overall and especially defensively. Even if Hibbert and Rush end up exceeding expectation on the defensive side of the ball, it's still a couple years out. Plus, I think that assumption is far from certain at this point.
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    Are we losing games in the forth quarter or are we losing them earlier?
    I say the fourth. How do you lose a game if you're leading or still in it? It's the fourth where we can't get anything going. We just need to learn how to finish. It'll come with time and experience from games like these.

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    Well, I'm thinking that maybe we don't take advantage of the chances we have earlier in the game to create a cushion to lessen the impact of our fourth quarter lapses. Or we put forth too much effort early with too few results. I don't know. I think we're better than 10-21 and I'm trying to understand why it isn't showing.

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    Well, you can't expect to have a decent record when you're allowing 85 points through 3 quarters, lead or not.

    Also, we're not taking advantage of certain in-game situations. Two big ones tonight: 1) Attacking Mike Bibby every second he's on the court and 2) Attacking the basket when we're in the penalty with 8:30 remaining.

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    Well, I'm thinking that maybe we don't take advantage of the chances we have earlier in the game to create a cushion to lessen the impact of our fourth quarter lapses. Or we put forth too much effort early with too few results. I don't know. I think we're better than 10-21 and I'm trying to understand why it isn't showing.
    I see what you mean. There's a lot of aspects where we can improve.. defense, missed free throws, missed lay-ups. There were many instances in the first half where we left Johnson or Bibby open and were lucky they didn't convert like they usually would. There's no doubt that we're better than 10-21 and you've heard many players from opposing teams say it as well. This is why I just think it'll take a little time before we get everything going.

    The Hawks were a good example of this and Quinn mentioned it in his interview with Horford after the game. He said, last years Hawks team would have collapsed like we did, but because of experience they knew what it took to close it out.

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    Moving on up the lottery standings is a huge victory for this franchise.

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    Moving on up the lottery standings is a huge victory for this franchise.
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    There are teams that are much worse than the Pacers and the Pacers could lose their
    remaining games and still most likely not have the top pick.
    My concern with the team right now is whether or not Obrien has lost the players.
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    My concern with the team right now is whether or not Obrien has lost the players.
    What would lead you to even mention that? I don't think there's been a shred of evidence to even begin considering that.

    Our only problem has been execution and consistency. There is no lack of effort out there whatsoever.
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    What would lead you to even mention that? I don't think there's been a shred of evidence to even begin considering that.

    Our only problem has been execution and consistency. There is no lack of effort out there whatsoever.
    Get out of my head, damn you!

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    the problem with this team is that they have a mix of player, they have players that are better playing up tempo and they have players that are better playing half court, they always have guys out of position, they need to make some trades and decided what tempo they wanna play.

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    What would lead you to even mention that? I don't think there's been a shred of evidence to even begin considering that.

    Our only problem has been execution and consistency. There is no lack of effort out there whatsoever.
    Yes, yes, yes. Id add we have a systematic problem we try to force square players down round pegs. Obie may be a great coach but the system he runs with these players is just not working.

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    the problem with this team is that they have a mix of player, they have players that are better playing up tempo and they have players that are better playing half court, they always have guys out of position, they need to make some trades and decided what tempo they wanna play.
    The problem is we have one good player and otherwise an entire roster of role players. Need one to two more good players.
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    Yes, yes, yes. Id add we have a systematic problem we try to force square players down round pegs. Obie may be a great coach but the system he runs with these players is just not working.
    I don't think JOB's "supporters" in this tread are asserting he's a great coach. Just that he's got this group playing as good as anyone could really hope. In other words, he's done a good job under the circumstances, but he's probably not a first choice to lead a team on a championship run.
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