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    Right now I can't think of anything that is worth criticizing Jim O'Brien for tonight - at least nothing that could be considered something thsat cost us the game. But I've been surprised before. (maybe someone will say he called too many timeouts at the end

    Pacers offense tonight was excellent - any discussion of "why the pacers lost" should begin and end with defense

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    Good effort. Just couldn't come up with a big play when needed. Disappointing though.
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    We looked horrendous in the first half. That's where we lost this game.

    And we have no defense to speak of.

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    Man, we're really gonna miss this one later on in the year when we need just another win or two to move up. Really tough loss... I thought we were gonna pull it out.

    That Danny fellow's not bad, though.
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    We looked horrendous in the first half. That's where we lost this game.

    And we have no defense to speak of.
    Actually it was pretty good for the first 5 or 6 minutes of the fourth quarter. Pacers offense was good the whole game except for the turnovers in the 1st quarter

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    Right now I can't think of anything that is worth criticizing Jim O'Brien for tonight - at least nothing that could be considered something thsat cost us the game. But I've been surprised before. (maybe someone will say he called too many timeouts at the end

    Pacers offense tonight was excellent - any discussion of "why the pacers lost" should begin and end with defense
    O'Brien's "defense"?


    A loss to the Bucks will really hurt.

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    We played a pretty good team very competitively. That means we should easily beat a team like Milwaukee tomorrow night.

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    O'Brien's "defense"?


    A loss to the Bucks will really hurt.
    Well, what I would say is, if we are progressing and not just getting up for the good teams, we should string to together three or four wins over the next week or so given the schedule.
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    It sucks that Danny has more turnovers than assists this season. That's the area of his game that needs the most improvement, IMO.

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    Yeah, Danny getting 42 points will probably end up being one of the season's highlights, unfortunately. But, if we're going to lose, at least somebody got something positive accomplished.
    Stockey got something positive accomplished too 21pts and 8ast he was killing the pacers, just like Varejao, Kapono and the other guys

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    I believe Stuckey had only hit two threes all season before tonight. Despite everything else tonight, it would have only taken him shooting his usual game from out there to give the Pacers a win.

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    Good things do not happen when TJ Ford gets into the paint in the fourth quarter.

    Too bad he can't/ won't pass in that situation. Especially when someone like Danny is red hot.
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    Good things do not happen when TJ Ford gets into the paint in the fourth quarter.

    Too bad he can't/ won't pass in that situation. Especially when someone like Danny is red hot.
    Danny wasn't open on that play, I went back and re-watched to see if he was, Prince was right up on him.

    That was a good shot by Ford.

    J, I don't think it is fair to imply that Ford won't pass the ball in those situations
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    I would rather have had the imbounds pass go directly to Granger at the top of the arc. Live or die by the three. The last thing you want now is a disgruntled Danny Granger, so you let him take the game into his own hands, as opposed to the last couple of Quis / Jack missed threes or TJ Ford / Rasho / Murphy drive misses.

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    Danny wasn't open on that play, I went back and re-watched to see if he was, Prince was right up on him.

    That was a good shot by Ford. J, I don't think it is fair to imly that Fod won't pass the ball in those situations
    I don't think it's that he won't pass. It's just that if he doesn't things get really dicey when he goes inside. At least so far.
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    That was a good shot by Ford. J, I don't think it is fair to imly that Fod won't pass the ball in those situations
    It was definitely a good shot. Nothing wrong with it, and I really like his aggression.

    It's just unfortunate how infrequently he is able to finish inside eight feet.
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    What?

    That was ugly. Spinning, falling backwards and triple-teamed. Don't make me turn the tv back on to look at it again, please.

    Perhaps Prince's long arms could have covered the ground. Perhaps TJ could have dribbled to create a passing lane instead of driving into all that traffic.

    That was a terrible possession. I was so much happier the previous possession when Daniels got the ball directly to Danny.

    (PS: Pistons' announcers before Daniels inbounded: "If the Pacers can't get the inbounds directly to Granger, look for TJ Ford to try to take it himself.")

    EDIT - a diagonal or curl dribble to find a passing angle would be a nice part of his arsenal. Also, it doesn't matter if he can't or won't make the pass, because he doesn't.
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    To me it should come to no suprise that our defense is bad. Going into the season I think we all knew that we would have probably an average defense at the very best.

    With that said our defense is much improved from last year.

    This losing really sucks but I just keep thinking to myself how much better off we are right now compared to a year ago.

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    It was definitely a good shot. Nothing wrong with it, and I really like his aggression.

    It's just unfortunate how infrequently he is able to finish inside eight feet.
    Show me a guy 6'0" or shorter that is able to finish inside of eight feet and you'll be showing me Iverson. Or Nate Archibald. That's about it, period.

    Maybe I'm missing one or two other guys in NBA history, but probably not.

    I find it interesting that the official play-by-play log lists is at as: Ford jump shot: missed. I think he was farther away than you guys think he was. He was one step inside the FT line. But then again, I wouldn't have called it a "jump shot" either with that much twisting involved.
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    Danny wasn't open on that play, I went back and re-watched to see if he was, Prince was right up on him.

    That was a good shot by Ford.

    J, I don't think it is fair to imply that Ford won't pass the ball in those situations
    Prince took away the three, but Danny had beaten him on a backcut. It would've been tight, but the pass was there for Danny cutting to the basket.

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    Show me a guy 6'0" or shorter that is able to finish inside of eight feet and you'll be showing me Iverson. Or Nate Archibald. That's about it, period.

    Maybe I'm missing one or two other guys in NBA history, but probably not.

    I find it interesting that the official play-by-play log lists is at as: Ford jump shot: missed. I think he was farther away than you guys think he was. He was one step inside the FT line. But then again, I wouldn't have called it a "jump shot" either with that much twisting involved.
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    Right now Chris paul,Tony parker, before Joe Dumars,isaiha Thomas and there is more
    Dumars is 6'4", Parker is 6'2", Zeke is 6'1". In a couple more years, I'll add Chris Paul to the list of 6-foot and under guys that can finish but its too soon to put him in the same breath as Archibald and Iverson.

    I said 6'0" and under for a reason. There's a huge difference from under 6'0" in the NBA to average sized (6'2" to 6'4") PGs.
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    Same ol, same ol.

    When it comes to the wire, some players just simply step up. Danny did better tonight -- one turnover in crunch time, I think. Other than that, a great performance.

    But Sheed and Rip both hit key baskets when it really counted. And we didn't.

    That's the ballgame.

    I agree. JOB was pretty good tonight, UB. But when we really need a bucket, we don't have the Rasheeds and Rips and Princes. Not yet.
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    Dumars is 6'4", Parker is 6'2", Zeke is 6'1". In a couple more years, I'll add Chris Paul to the list of 6-foot and under guys that can finish but its too soon to put him in the same breath as Archibald and Iverson.

    I said 6'0" and under for a reason. There's a huge difference from under 6'0" in the NBA to average sized (6'2" to 6'4") PGs.
    6'1 or 6'2 are pretty close to 6'0 those 2'0 inches won't make any difference, they are still small players

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    6'1 or 6'2 are pretty close to 6'0 those 2'0 inches won't make any difference, they are still small players
    Disagree 100%. 2 inches different at PG is even bigger than two inches different at one of the taller positions, and history proves that over and over. And with somone like TJ, you're really talking about four inches of height differential against most PGs.
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