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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

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There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

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In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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One on One with Danny Granger (BDL Interview)

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    One on One with Danny Granger (BDL Interview)

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/bal...urn=nba,125727

    One-on-One: Danny Granger talks superheroes, pudding, movies

    By Nick Friedell

    When I asked Danny Granger if he could ever remember starting off a season so well, his answer was simple, "No."

    The Pacers' rising star is averaging 24 points and almost six rebounds a game. It doesn't seem to matter too much to him right now, though. "I know I've put up a lot of points," he told me after Saturday's loss in Orlando. "But, we're 6-10 as a team."

    The Louisiana native might be frustrated with the way his team is playing, but he couldn't be doing much more to help. He is in the middle of a break out season that should elevate him into NBA stardom. As you'll see, he's also one of the most interesting players in the League.

    Ball Don't Lie: You're big into superheroes. I read that you actually want to build a hidden cave in your house like Batman.

    Danny Grager: Yeah ... (Laughs) I'm building a house in New Mexico and actually the builder called me and told me he found a nice little feature, a lift for my car, kind of like Batman had. It's in the works, it's a process. [The Superhero stuff] is just a big thing I've been a part of. I love Superman, love Batman. It's just the way I've been always.

    BDL: You're a movie buff too, you have over 2,000 movies.

    Granger: More now.

    BDL: More than 2,000?

    Granger: I've got more than that.

    BDL: And Armageddon is really your second favorite movie of all time?

    Granger: Yeah, I love Armageddon. And Gladiator, I love Gladiator. Armageddon, [is] a great movie. I don't know if anybody saw it, it came out in ['98]. [I] loved that movie, just an all around great movie.

    BDL: Speaking of great stuff, you've said your uncle makes some unbelievable banana pudding, are you going to try and sell it in Indiana some time?

    Granger: You know what, I probably could. I really, probably could. It's that good.

    BDL: What sets it apart?

    Granger: You mean what's in it?

    BDL: Yeah, what makes it any different than any other banana pudding?

    Granger: I can't tell you that. (Smiles) The ingredients that he puts in it are amazing. I remember one time I got sick 'cause I ate so much, I ate a whole pan. I couldn't even walk, 'cause I had a sugar stomach-ache ... we might start selling it.

    BDL: You come from a musically-talented family. [His younger brother Scotty appeared on a reality show on ABC called: The One: Making a Music Star, and he is great-nephew of Mahalia Jackson, the "Queen of Soul."] Can you sing?

    Granger: Of course. Singing is like what I do in my past-time. Some people don't like to hear [singing], some people like to hear it. It just depends on who you're listening to. (Smiles) You've just got to catch me on a good day. On a bad day I really can't sing, but on a good day, I can sing. Just catch me on a good day.

    BDL: Good enough for a record deal?

    Granger: Noooo ... (Laughs) If I'm on my own label, yeah. If I start my own label, then yeah I'll sign myself.

    BDL: Have you played with anybody who could sing?

    Granger: Played with anybody who can sing? Nah.

    BDL: Nobody?

    Granger: I did have a teammate in college, his name was Alfred Neale. He was big into Gospel, could play the piano, could sing really well. He played in the D-League for a couple of years, but yeah, that's the only person I've played with that could sing.

    BDL: Speaking of music, I heard that you're really into Rock Band. What's the name of your band?

    Granger: Uh, (Laughs) I've got a few, I can't tell you two of them.

    BDL: All right, what are the PG rated ones?

    Granger: The PG rated ones are ... New Orleans Assassins, something like that just because I'm from New Orleans, and the other two I can't say.

    BDL: I read that your nickname is Danny G. Nobody could come up with something more creative than that?

    Granger: You know what, I was a junior [Danny's dad is Danny Granger, Sr.]. When I was young, one of the ladies [from our neighborhood] called me Danny G, [like] my daddy. It caught on everywhere. When I'm home, everybody calls me Danny G.

    BDL: So there's nothing like The Lone Granger, or something like that. I'm sure you've heard that one.

    Granger: I've heard it. I've seen signs in the stands ... The Lone Granger.

    BDL: Do you think some of the success you've had this season can be attributed to the well-wishes you've gotten from the people of Indonesia?

    Granger: Oh, definitely. That was a great trip. I didn't know it would be that big if an NBA player went over there ... I had a few bodyguards with me at all times, I was on billboards it was crazy.

    BDL: You had your own newspaper edition.

    Granger: (Smiles) I had my own newspaper [edition] for like three days. It was pretty big.

    BDL: Switching gears, you were a civil engineering major in college [he plans to finish up his degree in the near future], is there anything you picked up from the experience, that has helped you in the League?

    Granger: How to manage my money. You do a lot of math when you take engineering courses. I've always been good with math ... it's such a technical field, physics, and geology of it, and mathematics.

    BDL: I read that you actually hooked up the music system in your house.

    Granger: I did a lot more than that.

    BDL: Is there any other NBA player who could do that?

    Granger: What I did, I don't think so. My dad was an electrician, he worked good with circuits, circuit boards and stuff like that ... so I picked up on all that. I ran the wires through my house, had the circuits going, had to fix the circuit breaker when it broke. I did what would have probably cost me $30,000 dollars to get done.

    BDL: So you know you're in a minority when it comes to knowing about the technical side of stuff, compared to the rest of the guys in the NBA.

    Granger: I definitely know that for a fact.

    BDL: Coming full circle, if you had any superpowers, what would they be?

    Granger: Fly.

    BDL: You're in the NBA, some people might say you're close to flying already.

    Granger: HAHAHA! I would [still] have to say fly, or speed, one of the two, along with [being] indestructible, and x-ray vision.

    BDL: Is there a name to this superhero you're trying to create here?

    Granger: Yeah, GRANGERMAN. I'd be GRANGERMAN. I have dreams about [being a superhero]. I have dreams [where] I'll be flying sometimes, it's kind of weird.

    BDL: OK, so let's wrap this up. What's GRANGERMAN driving into his cave when his work that night is done?

    Granger: Black Lamborghini, all black, kind of like the BatMobile.

    BDL: The GrangerMobile.
    Gotta love our Grangerman.
    Last edited by Kuq_e_Zi91; 12-02-2008, 02:07 AM. Reason: provided link
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    Re: One on One with Danny Granger (BDL Interview)

    BDL: So there's nothing like The Lone Granger, or something like that. I'm sure you've heard that one.

    Granger: I've heard it. I've seen signs in the stands ... The Lone Granger.

    Man, I should have copyrighted that.

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      Re: One on One with Danny Granger (BDL Interview)

      Granger: Yeah, I love Armageddon. Armageddon, [is] a great movie. I don't know if anybody saw it, it came out in ['98].
      Wow, way back then huh?

      I feel old.
      This space for rent.

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        Re: One on One with Danny Granger (BDL Interview)

        Yeah, is he talking about a different Armageddon or something? That movie was huge, everybody saw it.

        I wonder if he ever plays Rock Band online...hmm...

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          Re: One on One with Danny Granger (BDL Interview)

          Grangerman. That calls for some photoshopping.

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            Re: One on One with Danny Granger (BDL Interview)

            I think im falling for danny
            *removed* Just keep politics and religion completely out of it, please.

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              Re: One on One with Danny Granger (BDL Interview)

              Originally posted by Hicks View Post
              Grangerman. That calls for some photoshopping.
              sounds more like gingerbreadman....

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                Re: One on One with Danny Granger (BDL Interview)

                I've lost all respect for DG - Armageddon - really, Danny are you sure???

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                  Re: One on One with Danny Granger (BDL Interview)

                  Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                  I've lost all respect for DG - Armageddon - really, Danny are you sure???
                  Totally agree, Deep Impact was so much better...

                  That being said, DG always seems like a grounded, normal guy in every interview.

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                    Re: One on One with Danny Granger (BDL Interview)

                    Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                    Grangerman. That calls for some photoshopping.
                    I don't think anything can top this one.
                    Turn out the lights, this party's over!

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                      Re: One on One with Danny Granger (BDL Interview)

                      Grangerman makes me think of Superman.

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                        Re: One on One with Danny Granger (BDL Interview)

                        Originally posted by LoneGranger33 View Post
                        BDL: So there's nothing like The Lone Granger, or something like that. I'm sure you've heard that one.

                        Granger: I've heard it. I've seen signs in the stands ... The Lone Granger.

                        Man, I should have copyrighted that.
                        I can't believe you gave up animation rights.

                        Originally posted by Jon Theodore View Post
                        I think im falling for danny
                        I could stay awake just to hear him breathing.
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