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    Don't forget about Tyreke Evans of Memphis. He is currently running the point for them and is doing a darn good job of it.

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    A mid-season position change that seems to have changed the complexion of his team's season is certainly a good enough reason to revisit the topic of one of the NCAA's most talented freshman. Tyreke Evans was asked to handle the point guard duties for Memphis full-time after a home loss to Syracuse that dropped his team out the top-25 for the first time in over three years, and his team is undefeated since. They are currently ranked 5th overall in the nation, and Evans in turn is gaining steam for being awarded national freshman of the year honors.

    It's not quite clear why analysts (or his coaching staff for that matter) are so surprised at the success he's found at the point—it was after all the only position we've ever saw him play from watching him in high school, prep school and the AAU circuit over the last three years. Clearly he is not “learning the position from scratch” like many have suggested.

    Playing on the ball full-time, Evans has improved his efficiency while developing into the #1 scorer in this freshman class—putting up a terrific 23 points per-40 minutes pace adjusted. He also ranks as one of the top rebounding guards in college basketball, pulling down over 7 per-40, and is also one of the top ball-thieves at 3.1 steals per-40. His productivity in those categories is terrific all things considered. The problem is that he's almost amongst the NCAA leaders in field goal attempts and turnovers (at a dismal 4.5 per-40), highlighting one of his biggest flaws—his shoot-first mentality.

    It's pretty obvious what Evans offers as a prospect, as he's one of the premier shot-creators in the country, despite being only 19 years old. His combination of strength, aggressiveness and scoring instincts is almost unparalleled at this level, and should translate to the NBA level effectively when you consider his terrific footwork, body control, and hesitation moves. He does an excellent job pushing the ball up the floor in transition, can create (and finish) with either hand almost equally as well, and is an absolute bulldozer slashing his way through the paint and creating contact at the rim. While not an incredible leaper, Evans knows how to get to the free throw line, which helps minimize the fact that he's not an incredible finisher percentage wise (just 50%). He's also become pretty effective at finding teammates off the dribble, which has helped him rack up a decent amount of assists.

    Defensively, Evans has gotten better as the season has moved on, particularly on the ball. His terrific wingspan helps him tremendously in terms of contesting shots on the perimeter, and his excellent knack for getting in the passing lanes makes him a true nuisance with the way Memphis likes to press. Evans loses his focus from time to time in the half-court and tends to get out of his stance, also not doing a great job fighting through ball-screens. His potential on this end is impressive, though, and it wouldn't be shocking to see him be able to defend both guard positions in the NBA when it's all said and done.

    As a point guard, Evans has been mostly a mixed bag. On one hand, he obviously possesses excellent basketball instincts and has a great sense for making plays for himself and others. Memphis is running a lot more pick and roll than they did last season, and Evans shows great potential in this area. The problem is that he's an incredibly ball-dominant point guard, often looking like a fish out of water when he's forced to give up the rock for more than a few seconds. Memphis' offense often looks quite stagnant, with Evans over-dribbling the ball at the top of the key as his four teammates stand around and twiddle their thumbs. He can be pretty sloppy with the ball at times, displaying questionable decision-making skills and incredibly poor shot-selection, which wouldn't be as much of an issue if he was able to make shots at a respectable rate from the perimeter.

    With his poor shooting mechanics (he fades away unnecessarily on every attempt) Evans is very streaky with his feet set in catch and shoot situations, and downright dreadful shooting the ball off the dribble. He only converts a dismal 25% of his jump-shots according to Synergy Sports Technology, but the problem is that he settles for them on a regular basis—they make up about 40% of his possessions, often with a hand in his face and early in the shot clock no less. While his skill-set may develop in time, Evans' mentality looks extremely questionable—it's hard not to come away with the impression that he's a pretty selfish player. He's likely going to have to revamp his shooting stroke entirely if he's to ever become even a decent threat from the NBA 3-point line, something he's been unwilling to do up until this point.

    There a couple of crucial judgments which will be made individually by each and every NBA team that will play a huge role in where Evans' draft stock ultimately lies. The first would be his likely position at the next level, point guard or shooting guard. The second would be whether he projects as a starter or backup at that position. The third would be whether he fits into what that team already possesses in terms of ball-handlers and outside shooters, as Evans clearly won't fit into every system. It would be very difficult to play him alongside another guard who is also not much of a threat from beyond the arc, as that would make things very easy on the defense. With the right teammates, though, and in a sparkplug/instant offense role, Evans could be very effective.

    If Memphis is able to go on a deep run into the tournament, it wouldn't be shocking at all to see Evans' stock rise dramatically when it's all said and done.

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    Evans stock looks like it might pick up a little steam but I think he would be a solid 10-20 pick if he's still available. I guess it all depends on how Memphis does in the tournament.
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    I finally got to watch a bit more of Teague yesterday, an old game but still. I'm not blown away by him, but there are interesting bits to his game. Definitely a guy to watch the rest of the way.

    His teammate Aminu just looks too young and raw IMO. Really like to see him stay another year. He's another one of those Baston type of PFs, athletic and hoppy, can make some nice dunk moves inside, but just doesn't have a solid all-around basketball game nor the size to totally forgive that (see Blair who's size alone demands you take interest in him no matter what).

    Teague for Jack could be a nice adjustment. I still like Henderson in that 6-8 range too. We weren't really looking for backcourt help in the draft to start this season, but at least with those 2 players it seems to make sense.

    AJ Price is having another year like last in which he at times looks great and leads the team, but other time fades enough to not be a high pick. If he's on the board when your 2nd pick come up and you didn't get PG with the first one then I think he's a smart choice. I really think he can be that guy that has bursts of games where you love him, even though most of the time he's just meh. That's about the best you could hope from a normal 2nd round pick.


    Mullens at Ohio St. Finally got to see him. Holy crap is he raw. I really hope he stays because picking him is just crossing your fingers and clicking your heels at this point.


    So far, guys I'm sold on:
    Griffin, Henderson, Thabeet (defense ONLY, don't expect anything else ever)

    Guys with promise:
    Teague, Blair, Singler(does he come out, wouldn't go this high), Jennings (wish we could see him in NCAA setting), Lawal

    Need to see some more games:
    Harden, Hill, Meeks (and still hasn't moved up tons on the board)

    A bit concerned now:
    Curry, Monroe, Aminu, Lawson (never have been fully sold on him), Summers (almost in the "shows promise" group)

    Please no:
    Harangody, PsychoT, Collison, Clark, Mullens, Budinger, T Smith, Patterson (also too soon)


    Seems like we might only see 4-5 legit starters make it from this class. Not sure if this is a bad year or just normal but bad when compared to the ridiculously deep class of last year.
    I like Henderson too, he seems to be able to get to the line whenever he wants. At least that's the impression I got after watching last night's game.
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    Do you get the sense that he'll end up like Joey Dorsey? Undersized super-rebounder that fell all the way to the 2nd round?

    If he's available in the 2nd round....would he be worth a spin?
    I really like that comparison because JD had his own mental issues I thought as well (in his case temper), but otherwise was a great true PF type. I was surprised he fell so far after getting some showcase time.

    But he still wasn't "the man" on his elite team, Blair is. Again I say Kevin Love, as in ranked lower but just kept climbing the charts with every game. I think a few more games like G'town and Blair goes right past the Pacers spot and on up. Aminu, Clark, Mullens all ahead of Blair? I don't buy it.

    Griffin, Harden, Jennings sure. Depending on the rest of the season Thabeet might fall behind Blair. Teague and Monroe maybe. I mean we might be talking the 6-7th pick with the Pacers going 9 I'd guess.

    Hill could still be up there ahead of him I guess. Depending on PG need Tyreke Evans is making a push.


    But I've got to laugh when I see RealGM with Blair in the 2nd freaking round. Yeah, because that's where true PF putting up solid numbers go. I can't believe I had to tear him down a bit and yet I turn around and see a ranking this low. No way would I count on him making it past 30 teams, nor would I expect the Pacers to take Aminu over Blair as RealGM does.

    Of course even worse is Ford's draft machine that still has Rubio in it even though he's already said he won't enter the draft this year. And he's got Monroe as a top 3 prospect still? Since when, Nov 2008?


    Also I'm betting Jrue waits for Collison to leave so he can run UCLA himself next year and push his stock higher. He hasn't had the chance to make good on his talent thanks to Mr. Ballhog and I'd bet he could play his way to top 3 next year if he just stays.

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    I like Henderson too, he seems to be able to get to the line whenever he wants. At least that's the impression I got after watching last night's game.
    Goes well with either hand to the hole. Explosive at the rim in a forcefull manner (ie, in NBA traffic). Has the jumper to hold teams honest, even from deep. Tends to get involved in every play even away from the ball.

    Some guys get their numbers called a lot, but Henderson was more like Westbrook early on. He refused to be left out of plays and found ways to make an impact away from the ball, often resulting in getting to the ball and making a play. Now Duke is running it through him quite a bit.

    He wasn't on my radar, I was watching Singler, but Henderson has had many games where he just won't be ignored. That impresses me. Enough that I'd draft him despite just drafting Rush.




    Yeah, I'd left Tyreke out before but caught it in that last post. I just watched some of their game the other day and he's pretty solid still. He's been effective each time I caught him in action.

    But to be honest I'm hoping teams are going to forget about Jennings in favor of some of these other guys and let him slip to the Pacers. The dude is a freak for passing the ball, one of the nicest pure PG prospects we've seen in awhile. Not the scoring/passer that Rose is, but we don't need that. This team needs someone that can get everyone else involved and on their toes.
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    Do you think he will help defensively?
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    I'm betting this thread just got a lot more important now that Granger is going to miss up to 3 weeks and Dun might be done for the season.

    Seems like with us about to take a nose dive down the standings and up the draft board, we could have a good shot at a pretty good PF in this draft. I'm kinda hoping we'll get Monroe, but I'm praying the ping pong balls get us Griffen.

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    Very good working list so far. I'll be interested to see what you think of Jordan Hill after you see more of him. I just don't know what to think yet, he's been Griffin-like in spurts, but I've only seen him a couple times. And let's keep our fingers crossed - hasn't the #9 team in the draft (Portland, Chicago) gotten the #1 lottery ball two years in a row now?

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    I can see us getting Hill, Monroe, or another SG. I watched Monroe against Blair and I was not impressed. I can see him play well in a high-low stlye offense (playing high). He plays the game smart, which may be why he is not assertive. As he gets older I hope that he can play smart without playing reactive to the tempo. Like Griffin, Monroe should stay another year.

    JRue is an active defender. Seth do you see him making the transition to a NBA PG? I see more PG in him than I did in Westbrook. But I don't see him attacking lose balls like him.

    I can see us move up to the 6 spot. Which means we could nab a chance to get a future starter.

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    Last years draft people were high on Deandre Jordan but he fell to the second round. What are the odds of this happening to Josh Heytvelt of Gonzaga?
    I hope when we get Dallas's late second round pick he is available. He had a good game last night.

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    I can see us move up to the 6 spot. Which means we could nab a chance to get a future starter.
    Is Thabeet a must draft if he slips to the 6th spot?

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    I saw Monroe play against Syracuse, and while he was an impressive physical specimen, I didn't get much beyond that.

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    Is Thabeet a must draft if he slips to the 6th spot?
    I hope not, I'm not a fan. Blair manhandled him badly. I see Dalambert at very very best.

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    Let's get an idea of our draft position taking recent injuries into account.

    Teams that will draft before us:

    Washington, Sacramento, Clippers, Memphis, Minnesota

    That seems fairly certain so, barring a lottery win, #6 is the best we can hope for.

    I think the next 3 teams to pick, in some order, will be Indiana, Golden State, and Toronto. That puts us in the 6-8 range.
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    Is Thabeet a must draft if he slips to the 6th spot?
    Only if we know the team at #7 really wants him and is going to give us something for him.

    I don't want Thabeet at all. I'd be willing to bet a fair bit of money that in 3-4 years, Hibbert is clearly a much better player than Thabeet.
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    Has anybody seen enough of Eric Maynor to really have an opinion on him? I remember him playing for VCU when they beat Duke a couple years ago in the NCAA tournament.

    I'm intrigued by what I read about him. He's a 6-2 PG. Both his PPG and his FG% have risen every year since he was a freshman. His assist/TO has dropped, but he's clearly being used as a scorer more than a PG right now. He's all over mock draft boards. I'm sure our pick will be too high for him, but if we were to move back into the late teens or pick up an extra pick, I think he'd be worth a look.
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    i hope henderson falls to us on draft day, but the way he's been playing i'm not sure he will

    henderson/rush/granger would be a really good wing rotation

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    Step Curry is a player I would not take with our pick. He struggles against good defense. Purdue & Butler shot him out. He should not be in the top ten.

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    Has anybody seen enough of Eric Maynor to really have an opinion on him? I remember him playing for VCU when they beat Duke a couple years ago in the NCAA tournament.

    I'm intrigued by what I read about him. He's a 6-2 PG. Both his PPG and his FG% have risen every year since he was a freshman. His assist/TO has dropped, but he's clearly being used as a scorer more than a PG right now. He's all over mock draft boards. I'm sure our pick will be too high for him, but if we were to move back into the late teens or pick up an extra pick, I think he'd be worth a look.
    I haven't, but his stats make him intriguing to me as well.

    Also, I'm interested in Willie Warren, if anyone has seen him.

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    Willie Warren?
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    Willie Warren?
    Plays from Oklahoma a freshman guard. I did comment on him earlier in this thread. Nice Speed, Knack for Scoring, not sure if he is a pure PG (distributer wise).

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    Plays from Oklahoma a freshman guard. I did comment on him earlier in this thread. Nice Speed, Knack for Scoring, not sure if he is a pure PG (distributer wise).
    I didn't see your comment on him earlier, but in high school he was kind of known as a bad teammate/potential trouble maker.

    I really doubt that's the way this team would want to go.

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    Plays from Oklahoma a freshman guard. I did comment on him earlier in this thread. Nice Speed, Knack for Scoring, not sure if he is a pure PG (distributer wise).
    im pretty sure he plays the 2 full time. they have austin johnson who plays the point.

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    Anyone have opinions on Greg Monroe? This could be a guy that slips to us if end up with a pick from 8 - 10.

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    I've been high on Monroe since he was recruited from high school. He's got a nice face-up game as well solid passing and shot-blocking ability. He'd be a pretty nice complement to Hibbert, in my opinion (both have gone to Georgetown incidentally). The one area of his game that I'd like to see him improve on is his post game, however. With that said though, I would like to see the Pacers draft him if he's of the best players available at our pick.

    I do like Ty Evans from Memphis as well. He's got a lot of skills, and if we could manage to pick him up as well, that'd be pretty awesome. Doubtful though, as he'll likely be a lottery pick.

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    I do like Ty Evans from Memphis as well. He's got a lot of skills, and if we could manage to pick him up as well, that'd be pretty awesome. Doubtful though, as he'll likely be a lottery pick.
    What in the world makes you think we won't have a lottery pick?

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