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Gregg Doyel Absolutely Blasts Marvin Harrison

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  • #16
    Re: Gregg Doyel Absolutely Blasts Marvin Harrison

    Originally posted by Bball View Post
    Marvin hasn't been making much of an effort to pull in passes all season. It could be argued that he'd lost a step and wasn't getting the separation he once had or that Manning was simply overthrowing him... or Manning was throwing to where the old Marvin would get to it (but not the 2008 version). But it was there for all to see in this last game as he just didn't appear to give the effort on multiple chances. And there was no question these were catchable balls... had he tried.

    I don't know what is up, but it's clear something is up. It isn't just one bad game. Not sure if it's age, health, fear, or attitude. I don't think a lack of effort can be blamed on age. A fear of injury could be though, when coupled with age and recent injury history.

    I wonder if we'll ever truly know?
    Clear back in August you were questioning it might be time for Harrison to hang it up. Good call Nostradamus.
    You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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    • #17
      Re: Gregg Doyel Absolutely Blasts Marvin Harrison

      Originally posted by Jonathan View Post
      Marvin did get a concussion during the game. He comes back in the next play and you question his pride?
      Unless you have some serious inside information the television report of Marvin having a concussion is dubious at best. The Colts are not very likely to allow a player with a concussion back into the game no matter how much the player wants to come back in. Let alone doing it in a relatively short period of time.
      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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      • #18
        Re: Gregg Doyel Absolutely Blasts Marvin Harrison

        Originally posted by croz24 View Post
        nothing new from harrison. now instead of being non-existant in the postseason, he's translated that act to the regular season. honestly, i just think he's afraid. once any sort of doubt creeps into a wr's mind, it's time for him to retire...


        Yeah his YAC are next to nill and this started about 2 seasons ago. He just doesn't want to get hit and maybe that's a good thing because lately when he gets hit, he fumbles the ball.

        Then again, we might be overreacting. I haven't given up on him. All that he's done for this franchise buys him a lot more "Benefit of the Doubt" from me than Gregg Doyel.

        He's returning from knee surgery and it's hard to get your confidence back after that. He's healthy but he's tentative and getting that confidence back isn't an automatic thing. I have a feeling that the second half of the season will be better than the first half.

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        • #19
          Re: Gregg Doyel Absolutely Blasts Marvin Harrison

          Originally posted by Bball View Post
          Unless you have some serious inside information the television report of Marvin having a concussion is dubious at best. The Colts are not very likely to allow a player with a concussion back into the game no matter how much the player wants to come back in. Let alone doing it in a relatively short period of time.
          I'd have to look for it but channel 13 had something on, I believe from Dungy, directly refuting the concussion story.
          The poster formerly known as Rimfire

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          • #20
            Re: Gregg Doyel Absolutely Blasts Marvin Harrison

            Originally posted by DisplacedKnick View Post
            I'd have to look for it but channel 13 had something on, I believe from Dungy, directly refuting the concussion story.
            http://www.indystar.com/article/2008.../1058/SPORTS03

            "I promise you that if he had a concussion (such that) he wasn't able to play, he wouldn't have been in the game," Dungy said. "We're very, very cautious about that. We've had guys out for a long time with concussions. So he was evaluated and allowed to go back in the game."

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            • #21
              Re: Gregg Doyel Absolutely Blasts Marvin Harrison

              I just heard he had a minor concussion on the radio and read something in topix. He did take a good shot, was down, got back up and came in and played. Nobody has a right to question his pride is all.

              Everybody has the right as fans to criticize star players when they are playing bad; but do not question the heart/pride of 88. This man has been playing for the Colts since 1996. He is an 8 time pro bowler and 3 time first team all pro.

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              • #22
                Re: Gregg Doyel Absolutely Blasts Marvin Harrison

                Ouch.

                Well, I told y'all Marvin was done a while back, so this doesn't really surprise me. Still, with all he has done for this team over the years, even I think that article is a little harsh.

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                • #23
                  Re: Gregg Doyel Absolutely Blasts Marvin Harrison

                  No concussion is minor, which is why the NFL is cracking down on it.

                  If someone gets a concussion, and gets another before the first one heals completely, they have a 50% chance of dying. It's not something to mess around with. It can/will cause either death or serious brain injury.

                  The guidelines is no phsyical until all symptoms cease, no headaches, blurred vision, etc. and then wait another 3 days before they are supposed to be cleared.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Gregg Doyel Absolutely Blasts Marvin Harrison

                    Originally posted by croz24 View Post
                    colts just have to go wr in the 1st round. this year is loaded with some top flight wrs and one of the following would most definitely be available when the colts select...crabree, maclin, harvin, heyward-bey, williams, nicks

                    We have a Gonzalez and Reggie Wayne....We don't need another wide reciever in the first round we need a DT that isn not 250lbs and we need to start looking for a middle LB Bracket is almost done. WR with or without Harrison is solid.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Gregg Doyel Absolutely Blasts Marvin Harrison

                      Originally posted by Jonathan View Post
                      I just heard he had a minor concussion on the radio and read something in topix. He did take a good shot, was down, got back up and came in and played. Nobody has a right to question his pride is all.
                      What shot? He went to the ground without going after the ball, and the two defenders didn't touch him except one clipped his helmet with his toe as he was diving over him.

                      Maybe the defender's toe caught him just right but it wasn't much.
                      The poster formerly known as Rimfire

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                      • #26
                        Re: Gregg Doyel Absolutely Blasts Marvin Harrison

                        Yeah, he's not playing well but to write him off is awful premature.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Gregg Doyel Absolutely Blasts Marvin Harrison

                          Originally posted by esabyrn333 View Post
                          We have a Gonzalez and Reggie Wayne....We don't need another wide reciever in the first round we need a DT that isn not 250lbs and we need to start looking for a middle LB Bracket is almost done. WR with or without Harrison is solid.
                          when your team and franchise is built around one player, you make sure that player always has the weapons necessary. dt is a position easy to fill later in the draft, wr not so much. there are only a few solid wrs each year in the draft with this year wr being a strength. gonzalez is not a #2 option and wayne is also getting a little older. other than those two, the colts really don't have much depth at the wr position...again, the colts should most definitely draft defense and oline in the upcoming draft, but after they get that wr in the 1st round. bill polian is also a believer in drafting skill positions in round 1 as his history proves that.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Gregg Doyel Absolutely Blasts Marvin Harrison

                            Originally posted by croz24 View Post
                            when your team and franchise is built around one player, you make sure that player always has the weapons necessary. dt is a position easy to fill later in the draft, wr not so much. there are only a few solid wrs each year in the draft with this year wr being a strength. gonzalez is not a #2 option and wayne is also getting a little older. other than those two, the colts really don't have much depth at the wr position...again, the colts should most definitely draft defense and oline in the upcoming draft, but after they get that wr in the 1st round. bill polian is also a believer in drafting skill positions in round 1 as his history proves that.
                            If DT was so easy to fill in the later rounds of the draft do you really think we would be getting run all over for the past 10 years. Gonzalez is a good #2 guy and Reggie is just damn right amazing game in game out. When you throw Clark a great recieving TE plus Tamme, Santi, Hall, Garcian as a young recieving core to build on. I think if you asked Payton what he wanted more a new reciever or A DT to stop the run or a nice run stopping middle linebacker to get him the ball back I think he would say the latter. Gary Bracket has been good in the middle but he is getting long in the tooth himself. With Quin Pittcock and Ed Johnson screwing us like they did this year we are just plugging guys in the middle hoping something happens.

                            The mixture of a undersize MLB and small DT's is what is killing us this year more than anything else. Though it really doesn't matter to much Polin takes the best player avalible every year and I don't see that changing any time soon. Teams that draft by need end up in the early part of the draft year in year out.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Gregg Doyel Absolutely Blasts Marvin Harrison

                              Originally posted by esabyrn333 View Post
                              If DT was so easy to fill in the later rounds of the draft do you really think we would be getting run all over for the past 10 years. Gonzalez is a good #2 guy and Reggie is just damn right amazing game in game out. When you throw Clark a great recieving TE plus Tamme, Santi, Hall, Garcian as a young recieving core to build on. I think if you asked Payton what he wanted more a new reciever or A DT to stop the run or a nice run stopping middle linebacker to get him the ball back I think he would say the latter. Gary Bracket has been good in the middle but he is getting long in the tooth himself. With Quin Pittcock and Ed Johnson screwing us like they did this year we are just plugging guys in the middle hoping something happens.

                              The mixture of a undersize MLB and small DT's is what is killing us this year more than anything else. Though it really doesn't matter to much Polin takes the best player avalible every year and I don't see that changing any time soon. Teams that draft by need end up in the early part of the draft year in year out.
                              but you have to understand WHY the colts have undersized dts and lbs. it really has nothing to do with the availability of such players in the draft and everything to do with tony dungy and his system at coach. if you want a big strong run-stopping dt, then tell dungy to change his philosophy.

                              chances are, polian will draft a skill player in the 1st round, just look at his history...manning, james, morris, wayne, freeney, clark, jackson, addai, gonzalez.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Gregg Doyel Absolutely Blasts Marvin Harrison

                                Originally posted by croz24 View Post
                                but you have to understand WHY the colts have undersized dts and lbs. it really has nothing to do with the availability of such players in the draft and everything to do with tony dungy and his system at coach. if you want a big strong run-stopping dt, then tell dungy to change his philosophy.

                                chances are, polian will draft a skill player in the 1st round, just look at his history...manning, james, morris, wayne, freeney, clark, jackson, addai, gonzalez.

                                I really believe MLB and DT is our weakest positions. I live, eat, breath colts, seen every draft since we got Steve Emtman & Quentin Coryatt where selected 1 & 2. I understand Dungy's system very well. Right now they have a bad situation in the middle of the D. It has to be fixed. You can get dungy type player in the first round. I hate the hole skill postion angle. I think every position is a skill position. For Dungy's system to work you need a bigger power DT paired with a speed DT shooting the gaps. Check out Warren Sapps DT he had paired with him in Tampa. Morris was a middle Linebacker BTW though that is not important. Check this out I was going to look up some prospects but I think this sums up my point pretty well...

                                http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-B.php

                                After finding that I just got curous every mock draft out has us taking a DT......

                                http://www.nfldraftdog.com/Mock_Draf...mock_draft.htm

                                http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/nflmockdraft.html

                                http://newnfldraft.com/archives/244


                                http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2009.php
                                Indianapolis Colts: Sen'Derrick Marks, DT, Auburn
                                Indianapolis has already given up 100 rushing yards to five different running backs this season. The Colts are so bad, they had to use four linebackers against the Titans just to keep Chris Johnson and LenDale "touchdown vulture (or touchdown hippopotamus to be more spherically correct)" White in check. The Colts are way too thin at defensive tackle in the wake of the Ed Johnson marijuana scandal. They can't even stop the run with Bob Sanders back in the lineup

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