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    http://www.sportsline.com/columns/story/11098276

    From hero to fraud, Colts' Harrison makes ugly 180

    Grab a gravestone and start chiseling, because we have a date of death:

    Here lies the Benefit of the Doubt for Marvin Harrison.

    It expired on Nov. 9, 2008. The official time of death is difficult to determine, because Harrison killed off any final shred of our goodwill -- my goodwill, anyway -- in two different moments Sunday at Pittsburgh, where the Colts won 24-20 in spite of him.

    Yes, in spite of him. The Colts now win games in spite of their Hall of Fame receiver.

    The first moment came late in the first half. First down, midfield. Harrison is running free deep, some sort of post route, and Peyton Manning puts the ball almost on the money. Almost, but not quite. Hey, Manning did his best. There were more than 1,000 pounds of muscular Steelers trying to bash in his head when he put the ball within 2 feet of Harrison, nearly 40 yards down the field.

    Harrison couldn't be bothered to catch it.

    The pass wasn't perfect, but the effort was nonexistent. Harrison simply didn't try. The ball was about one-half stride ahead of him, coming in at knee level, and Harrison's reaction wasn't to dive or slide or even bend at the waist and reach with both hands. No, his reaction was to stick out a single hand.

    If the ball was cloth and his hand Velcro, Harrison might have controlled it. As it was, a hurtling football had no chance of sticking, and it fell incomplete. After the game Manning took the blame, saying the pass had to be better. Immediately after the throw, his body language said something else: As Harrison merely waved at the ball, Manning's entire body convulsed. His knees buckled. His face contorted. He was pissed.

    And for Harrison, that was the better of the two moments.

    The second moment came in the third quarter. Unlike the first moment, described earlier, Harrison didn't look indifferent. No, this time he looked scared.

    It was third-and-3 from the Steelers' 18. Harrison, heading for the end zone's right pylon, got behind cornerback William Gay. Manning delivered a perfect pass at the goal line. Harrison actually made an attempt this time, leaving his feet and going low for the catch, but at that moment Steelers safety Tyrone Carter was arriving. Harrison abandoned his pursuit of the ball, letting it drop, and went into self-preservation mode. Carter delivered a glancing blow, but the pass was already incomplete.

    Harrison stayed down. Team officials walked him off the field, then announced he had a mild concussion and said his return was questionable.

    On the first play of the Colts' very next possession, Harrison was on the field.

    He's a hero!

    Nah. He's a fraud.

    I'm sorry, but the benefit of the doubt is gone. Nothing about Marvin Harrison is what I once thought it to be.

    Once upon a time, Marvin Harrison was the peculiarly shy, introverted receiver who worked hard and put up great numbers. He was a star, and more. He was a role model. We didn't know much about him, but he had earned the benefit of the doubt.

    Now, the benefit of doubt is gone. Now, in light of a horrific event this past spring in Philadelphia, where Harrison has been linked to -- but not charged with -- a shooting near an auto shop he owns, I'm not sure shy is the word to describe him. His gun was allegedly used to shoot a man Harrison had been fighting with weeks earlier. The victim has accused Harrison of pulling the trigger, and has even filed a civil law suit. No resolution is in sight, but in light of the events in Philadelphia, Harrison seems less shy, and possibly something more sinister.

    Now when I watch Marvin Harrison on the sideline, I don't see peculiar. I see petulance. I see the Colts' skill players huddled around Manning, and I see Harrison -- who is having his worst season as a pro -- sitting by himself, 30 yards away. I watch this happen last week at home against the Patriots, and again Sunday at Pittsburgh, and I wonder if Harrison has more in common with Terrell Owens than we'd suspected.

    But that's not fair to Terrell Owens, because T.O. would have done his damndest to make that catch in the second quarter on Sunday, and he wouldn't have been spooked into alligator-arming that drop in the end zone in the third quarter.

    Terrell Owens can be a baby and even a jerk, but he's neither indifferent nor scared when the football comes his way. And he's never been accused of shooting a man.

    Marvin Harrison? We don't know Marvin Harrison. Or at least, we didn't know him a few years ago. Maybe we're starting to know him now.

    I liked him better when I didn't know him at all.
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    Welp, can't say it was something that hadn't already run through my mind.

    The second play in question was brutal. I put on the Manning Face afterward.

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    . Marvin has been an excellent WR for this city for several years. Yes, he is on the downside of his career.Yes, he played a bad game last sunday. Is he done? Hell NO!!

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    While I agree that Marvin didn't play particularly well on Sunday, Doyel can shut the **** up.
    Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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    Marvin hasn't been making much of an effort to pull in passes all season. It could be argued that he'd lost a step and wasn't getting the separation he once had or that Manning was simply overthrowing him... or Manning was throwing to where the old Marvin would get to it (but not the 2008 version). But it was there for all to see in this last game as he just didn't appear to give the effort on multiple chances. And there was no question these were catchable balls... had he tried.

    I don't know what is up, but it's clear something is up. It isn't just one bad game. Not sure if it's age, health, fear, or attitude. I don't think a lack of effort can be blamed on age. A fear of injury could be though, when coupled with age and recent injury history.

    I wonder if we'll ever truly know?
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    nothing new from harrison. now instead of being non-existant in the postseason, he's translated that act to the regular season. honestly, i just think he's afraid. once any sort of doubt creeps into a wr's mind, it's time for him to retire...

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    I know I am a typical malcontent regarding the Colts this year, but I think even if you're optimistic about this season you can agree Harrison is basically D-O-N-E. I loved the guy when he was in his prime and he'll always be a Colts great, but he is only getting consistent PT out of goodwill right now and on any other team he'd struggle to be the third receiver.

    All I know is Polian better be looking at DT's and WR's in the draft next April.

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    colts just have to go wr in the 1st round. this year is loaded with some top flight wrs and one of the following would most definitely be available when the colts select...crabree, maclin, harvin, heyward-bey, williams, nicks

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    Pretty spot on column. There's nothing in there that I disagree with. It looks like the national media is starting to realize how mediocre he has become.

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    . Marvin has been an excellent WR for this city for several years. Yes, he is on the downside of his career.Yes, he played a bad game last sunday. Is he done? Hell NO!!
    How long are we going to say that for? The season is 9/16 of the way over and all he has shown is that he is a mediocre receiver

    If he has any pride left that could change. But that would require him to actually go a bit out of his way to catch a ball every once in a while.
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    Marvin just doesn't looked focused and motivated. Bball offers some possible explanations. Physcial, mental, or both? I agree with the opinion that, barring a late-season surge, his days here are probably numbered. Just not worth the price tag if this is the best he can do.
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    Marvin has lost something...I just think it's focus. That missed catch in the second used to be a catch. He would lay out and catch it. I was dumbfounded at the lack of effort.

    Maybe he's reached the point where he wants to "take it easy" during the regular season and "turn it on" in the playoffs. I think we'll see him retire soon though.

    Easily one of the best Colts, and wide recievers in the history of the league. But maybe, Marvin needs to consider going back to Philly and taking care of his business there.

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    I agree Marvin is done or at the very least Gonzalez should be taking his reps right now.

    That being said Doyel is a total dip**** regardless. I don't get how Marvin is a fraud here.

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    colts just have to go wr in the 1st round. this year is loaded with some top flight wrs and one of the following would most definitely be available when the colts select...crabree, maclin, harvin, heyward-bey, williams, nicks
    I don't know if that's the case. If the Colts don't think one of the first-round guys are a good fit for the offense/Manning/mind-set of the team, it'd be best to pass on the wideout early. The team has proven time and time again that it picks with the fit in mind. With that much talent at the top, it'll typically mean there's more talent down in the draft -- and maybe there's a round peg a little lower.

    Wayne, Gonzalez, Clark, a sophomore Garcon and a sophomore Tamme still is a pretty solid receiving corps. You could afford to develop somebody else if that's what the draft dictates.

    That said, if there's a good fit in the first round, I've got no problem with that, either.

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    How long are we going to say that for? The season is 9/16 of the way over and all he has shown is that he is a mediocre receiver

    If he has any pride left that could change. But that would require him to actually go a bit out of his way to catch a ball every once in a while.
    Marvin did get a concussion during the game. He comes back in the next play and you question his pride? Come ON!! You are sitting behind a computer criticizing the man. Where do you play football at?
    Marvin has shown flashes this season of being a good WR. The guy did have a great game against the Ravens this year. Every WR drops passes Gpnzo doesk TO does, Braylon Edwards leads the league in drops. Does that mean he sucks?

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    Marvin hasn't been making much of an effort to pull in passes all season. It could be argued that he'd lost a step and wasn't getting the separation he once had or that Manning was simply overthrowing him... or Manning was throwing to where the old Marvin would get to it (but not the 2008 version). But it was there for all to see in this last game as he just didn't appear to give the effort on multiple chances. And there was no question these were catchable balls... had he tried.

    I don't know what is up, but it's clear something is up. It isn't just one bad game. Not sure if it's age, health, fear, or attitude. I don't think a lack of effort can be blamed on age. A fear of injury could be though, when coupled with age and recent injury history.

    I wonder if we'll ever truly know?
    Clear back in August you were questioning it might be time for Harrison to hang it up. Good call Nostradamus.
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    Marvin did get a concussion during the game. He comes back in the next play and you question his pride?
    Unless you have some serious inside information the television report of Marvin having a concussion is dubious at best. The Colts are not very likely to allow a player with a concussion back into the game no matter how much the player wants to come back in. Let alone doing it in a relatively short period of time.
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    nothing new from harrison. now instead of being non-existant in the postseason, he's translated that act to the regular season. honestly, i just think he's afraid. once any sort of doubt creeps into a wr's mind, it's time for him to retire...


    Yeah his YAC are next to nill and this started about 2 seasons ago. He just doesn't want to get hit and maybe that's a good thing because lately when he gets hit, he fumbles the ball.

    Then again, we might be overreacting. I haven't given up on him. All that he's done for this franchise buys him a lot more "Benefit of the Doubt" from me than Gregg Doyel.

    He's returning from knee surgery and it's hard to get your confidence back after that. He's healthy but he's tentative and getting that confidence back isn't an automatic thing. I have a feeling that the second half of the season will be better than the first half.
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    Unless you have some serious inside information the television report of Marvin having a concussion is dubious at best. The Colts are not very likely to allow a player with a concussion back into the game no matter how much the player wants to come back in. Let alone doing it in a relatively short period of time.
    I'd have to look for it but channel 13 had something on, I believe from Dungy, directly refuting the concussion story.
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    I'd have to look for it but channel 13 had something on, I believe from Dungy, directly refuting the concussion story.
    http://www.indystar.com/article/2008.../1058/SPORTS03

    "I promise you that if he had a concussion (such that) he wasn't able to play, he wouldn't have been in the game," Dungy said. "We're very, very cautious about that. We've had guys out for a long time with concussions. So he was evaluated and allowed to go back in the game."

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    I just heard he had a minor concussion on the radio and read something in topix. He did take a good shot, was down, got back up and came in and played. Nobody has a right to question his pride is all.

    Everybody has the right as fans to criticize star players when they are playing bad; but do not question the heart/pride of 88. This man has been playing for the Colts since 1996. He is an 8 time pro bowler and 3 time first team all pro.

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    Ouch.

    Well, I told y'all Marvin was done a while back, so this doesn't really surprise me. Still, with all he has done for this team over the years, even I think that article is a little harsh.

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    No concussion is minor, which is why the NFL is cracking down on it.

    If someone gets a concussion, and gets another before the first one heals completely, they have a 50% chance of dying. It's not something to mess around with. It can/will cause either death or serious brain injury.

    The guidelines is no phsyical until all symptoms cease, no headaches, blurred vision, etc. and then wait another 3 days before they are supposed to be cleared.

    There are a lot more important things, like life, to think about than winning a football game.

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    colts just have to go wr in the 1st round. this year is loaded with some top flight wrs and one of the following would most definitely be available when the colts select...crabree, maclin, harvin, heyward-bey, williams, nicks

    We have a Gonzalez and Reggie Wayne....We don't need another wide reciever in the first round we need a DT that isn not 250lbs and we need to start looking for a middle LB Bracket is almost done. WR with or without Harrison is solid.

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    I just heard he had a minor concussion on the radio and read something in topix. He did take a good shot, was down, got back up and came in and played. Nobody has a right to question his pride is all.
    What shot? He went to the ground without going after the ball, and the two defenders didn't touch him except one clipped his helmet with his toe as he was diving over him.

    Maybe the defender's toe caught him just right but it wasn't much.
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