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    Default ESPN Power Rankings Week 1

    I'll probably do this every week.

    PACERS: 7th in the East, 14th Overall

    2008-09 Power Rankings: Week 1
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    1 (2)Lakers3-0The Lakers' average margin of victory is down to 21.7 ppg after they could squeak out only a seven-point win Saturday night at Denver. That qualifies as the closest thing to a flaw we've seen during L.A.'s flashy start.
    Power Rankings, 2002 to 2008: Lakers fifth | See Lakers chart
    2 (3)Hornets3-0We were kidding when we talked up that 7-0 preseason, but a 3-0 start is the real deal. Especially because the Hornets opened on the road, played Phoenix and Cleveland next and didn't have Chandler for two of the W's.
    Power Rankings, 2002 to 2008: Hornets 13th | See Hornets chart
    3 (1)Celtics2-1This might strike you as a steep drop for the defending champs, and you might even be right. Boston's problem is that the Lakers and Hornets were that good last week and the Celts' showing in Indy was that bad.
    Power Rankings, 2002 to 2008: Celtics 16th | See Celtics chart
    4 (6)Rockets3-0Here's a good "Did You Know?": Houston is 19-0 in its past 19 regular-season games with a healthy Yao Ming. That's a nice little stat to spice up Tuesday's showdown pitting Yao, Ron-Ron and T-Mac against Pierce, KG and Ray Ray.
    Power Rankings, 2002 to 2008: Rockets seventh | See Rockets chart
    5 (7)Pistons2-0Sounds as if the new coach had no issues with us for starting the new season with Detroit outside the top five. Says Michael Curry: ''We've earned the right for people to ask, 'Has this team made its last run?'''
    Power Rankings, 2002 to 2008: Pistons third | See Pistons chart
    6 (12)Raptors3-0You might be wondering whether a team from Canada was eligible to be recorded as the first U.S. Army Team of the Week in Power Rankings history. We promise: (Uncle) Sam Mitchell's Raps were indeed in the mix.
    Power Rankings, 2002 to 2008: Raptors 27th | See Raptors chart
    7 (9)Jazz2-0The bad news: No word yet on a firm return date for D-Will from that ankle sprain. The good news: Utah hasn't really needed him yet and, based on a quick look at the schedule, probably won't until a Nov. 11 visit to Philly.
    Power Rankings, 2002 to 2008: Jazz ninth | See Jazz chart
    8 (11)Suns2-1I've said this before, and I'll say it again: Rush, if you wish, to proclaim that the Suns' window has closed. I prefer to keep trying to peer into the window to see how their radical changes play out. Play it how you want.
    Power Rankings, 2002 to 2008: Suns fourth | See Suns chart
    9 (4)Cavaliers1-2The Cavs are used to these kinds of starts. They've posted a losing record after three games in all but one of LeBron's six seasons. The new twist is LeBron's slow start shooting the ball as he adjusts to a tweaked offense.
    Power Rankings, 2002 to 2008: Cavaliers 14th | See Cavs chart
    10 (5)Spurs0-2Memphis. New York. Even Oklahoma City. All three of those teams won a game before the Spurs did, which suggests that as good as Tony and Timmy look, we might have undersold how much they'll miss Manu.
    Power Rankings, 2002 to 2008: Spurs first | See Spurs chart
    11 (10)Mavericks1-1Two games in is too soon to get a real read on the new Mavs. Yet it already seems safe to suggest that this team won't come close to infuriating the locals as the Cowboys have. No matter what happens.
    Power Rankings, 2002 to 2008: Mavericks second | See Mavs chart
    12 (20)Hawks2-0The Hawks didn't just beat two teams everyone expects to see in the East's top eight at season's end. They started 2-0 for the first time since 1999. So this is your first U.S. Army Team of the Week: Hollinger's Hawks.
    Power Rankings, 2002 to 2008: Hawks 29th | See Hawks chart
    13 (8)76ers1-2Just three games in, Philly already has rung up two big letdowns by losing the home opener to Toronto and blowing a fat lead in Atlanta. The Sixers can only hope folks have been too drunk on Phillies Euphoria to notice.
    Power Rankings, 2002 to 2008: 76ers 20th | See 76ers chart
    14 (22)Pacers1-1The Celts suffered only three double-digit L's last season in their return to championship glory. This season? They already have one, thanks to the blowout party Indy threw to celebrate Danny Granger's new contract.
    Overall Power Rankings, 2002 to 2008: Pacers sixth | See Pacers chart
    15 (17)Bulls2-1Did any high-profile rookie out there have a better Week 1 than Derrick Rose? You have to go all the way back to MJ (Elias looked it up) for the previous Bulls rook to have a 26-point game within his first three outings as a pro.
    Power Rankings, 2002 to 2008: Bulls 26th | See Bulls chart
    16 (13)Magic1-2Perhaps the drop here should have been steeper. Based on the standards set by last season's 16-4 start, Orlando pretty much ran unopposed for the unwanted mantle of Week 1's Most Disappointing Team.
    Power Rankings, 2002 to 2008: Magic 18th | See Magic chart
    17 (14)Trail Blazers1-2That triumphant escape at the buzzer against the fabled Spurs had to cheer you up, Blazermaniacs. Or at least temporarily distract you from the usual round-the-clock fretting about Oden and the future of the franchise.
    Power Rankings, 2002 to 2008: Blazers 22nd | See Blazers chart
    18 (15)Nuggets1-2Iverson is no longer a team captain, has barely averaged 13 shots a game so far and holds a big expiring contract. Add up all those variables, and you really can't be surprised to be hearing A.I.'s name in trade speculation.
    Power Rankings, 2002 to 2008: Nuggets 11th | See Nuggets chart
    19 (18)Warriors1-2Biedrins has scarfed down 10 straight double-doubles dating to last season and has averaged 16.6 ppg and 14.6 rpg in that span. Not that anyone knows it with all the Monta/Harrington/front-office drama.
    Power Rankings, 2002 to 2008: Warriors 19th | See Warriors chart
    20 (21)Bucks2-2Two road victories this quick, irrespective of the opposition, must be regarded as big news for a team that went 7-34 outside of Milwaukee last season. But any injury to our beloved Redd, mind you, is bigger news.
    Power Rankings, 2002 to 2008: Bucks 24th | See Bucks chart
    21 (29)Grizzlies1-2Rudy Gay's jumper to take down Orlando wasn't merely a buzzer-beating baseline dagger. Call it a history-defying J, too. The Grizzlies, remember, previously had played seven home openers in Memphis but won zero.
    Power Rankings, 2002 to 2008: Grizzlies 23rd | See Grizzlies chart
    22 (27)Nets1-1An opening night win at Washington surprised what's left of the Nets as much as anyone. Credit team prez Rod Thorn for sugarcoating nothing when asked whether his team has any playoff hope: "On paper, probably not."
    Power Rankings, 2002 to 2008: Nets 10th | See Nets chart
    23 (16)Wizards0-2The Wiz still have a way to go to match the depths of last season's 0-5 start. A home loss to Jersey on opening night, however, is just not good enough for a team that prides itself on its ability to cope without Arenas.
    Power Rankings, 2002 to 2008: Wizards 17th | See Wizards chart
    24 (25)Bobcats1-1Not sure how nostalgic Larry Brown will be for the Bobcats' games this week against the Pistons and Knicks, but it should be a tad easier to face his old teams now that he has won a game after that 0-8 preseason.
    Power Rankings, 2002 to 2008: Bobcats 30th | See Bobcats chart
    25 (26)Knicks1-2The Knicks have little choice if they want to read about something else in this space. They'll just have to waive the untradable Marbury and eat his $21.9 million salary, else Steph will continue to be the story.
    Power Rankings, 2002 to 2008: Knicks 28th | See Knicks chart
    26 (23)Heat1-2Not exactly a happy start for D-Wade's Heaters. The bench looks as thin as advertised, Shawn Marion has a busted nose and ugly road defeats to the likes of New York and Charlotte were particularly painful.
    Power Rankings, 2002 to 2008: Heat 15th | See Heat chart
    27 (30)Thunder1-2Progress? As a Seattle rook, Kevin Durant had to wait nine games for win No. 1. As an Okie, KD's wait was only three games. P.J. Carlesimo spoke for everyone involved when he admitted, "Any win feels good, honestly."
    Power Rankings, 2002 to 2008: Thunder 25th | See Thunder chart
    28 (24)Timberwolves1-2The Wolves are supposed to be one of the league's better bad teams, if there is such a thing. Yet that's a difficult claim to make after any glee gleaned from a 1-0 start was wiped out by a fall-from-ahead loss in OKC.
    Power Rankings, 2002 to 2008: Wolves 12th | See Wolves chart
    29 (28)Kings0-3We promised they'd be scrappy, if nothing else, but the Kings haven't even reached those modest heights on their Brad Miller-less road trip. They were swept on a back-to-back in Miami and Orlando by a combined 44 points.
    Power Rankings, 2002 to 2008: Kings eighth | See Kings chart
    30 (19)Clippers0-3The Clips lost to the less-rested Lakers by 38 when Baron Davis was available. What will it be like Wednesday when the Staples Center co-tenants hook up again if both Baron (hip) and Camby (heel) can't go?
    Power Rankings, 2002 to 2008: Clippers 21st | See Clippers chart

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    Default Re: ESPN Power Rankings Week 1

    We're tied with Atlanta and Memphis for biggest jump the first week (8 spots). I'd say our win over Boston was the most head-turning game of the first week of the season.

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    It looks like that win, and probably the close loss @ Detroit, actually earned us a little respect. It's a long season, but there are some trends here that will likely continue. I love that Orlando and Cleveland started 1-2.
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    From Hollinger:

    I mentioned in the first edition of this feature that in the opening days of the season, I look for blowouts, especially unexpected ones. I believe that Indiana's eye-opening 95-79 dismantling of Boston on Saturday gave us our first qualifier on that account. The Pacers even led by as many as 25 points in the fourth quarter.

    If you hadn't been taking Indiana seriously as an Eastern Conference playoff team, you certainly need to. Indy's first two games were against fearsome opposition -- at Detroit, then home against the defending champs -- and the Pacers played both games without Mike Dunleavy, who ranked second on the team in scoring with 19.1 points last season.

    Yet Indiana came out of those two games smelling like a rose. The Pacers played the Pistons very tough in the Palace before falling by six points in the opener, then ran the Celtics off the court on Saturday. For Indiana to come away from that twin bill at plus-10 suggests it might be even better than my optimistic preview anticipated.

    How'd the Pacers do it? Guard Marquis Daniels has started in Dunleavy's place and, at least so far, has managed to hold down the fort (13.42 PER through two games). The trio of Rasho Nesterovic, Troy Murphy and Jeff Foster has held down the middle now that Jermaine O'Neal plays for the Raptors, while T.J. Ford gave the team a wholesale upgrade at the point.

    Dunleavy's knee problem is a real concern, especially if Daniels reverts to last season's form, but more help could be on the way, too. Indiana still has Jamaal Tinsley hanging in limbo but might be able to parlay him into a rotation player if it plays its cards right on the trade market.

    Yes, it's only two games, and 80 more of these things are left. But in this limited sample, Indiana is the team that has done the most to change my perception of it.

    John Hollinger writes for ESPN Insider. To e-mail him, click here.


    Well, it's official: we've been noticed. Let's hope this isn't the season's high-point.

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    Yeah, but this guy sways too easily. He's got his foot in his mouth.

    If someone else would have wrote this, I'd love it.

    But yeah, we've made it.

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    I actually think Hollinger's the best NBA guy at ESPN. He bases his opinions on actual performance and not reputation like so many others seem to do.

    I we could go at least 2-1 this week, we may be near the bottom of the top-10 in next week's rankings.

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    it's good to see that we are getting some respect.

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    Great to see us up there, but I see a lot of peaks and valleys this season. Kind of like what you see from a good rookie- they look like an All-Star one game and a 10th man the next.

    I don't think the defensive intensity we've displayed is sustainable for an 82 game season. But there will be plenty of flashes of it which will make this team a fun one to watch develop.

    If we draft correctly and play our cards right we could be among the elite in the East in 3 years. That's what I'm hoping for. I love the success on the court in Week 1, but I'm still just thrilled that we're FINALLY headed in the right direction.

    FWIW though I love seeing us five spots ahead of Dubs

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    we are sitting at 13 in the power rankings of nba.com with the highest jump from last week (+10)

    http://www.nba.com/powerrankings/

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    we are sitting at 13 in the power rankings of nba.com with the highest jump from last week (+10)

    http://www.nba.com/powerrankings/
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    I thought it interesting to see the overall rankings from 02 to 08 had the Pacers sixth. Spurs, Mavs, Pistons, Suns, Lakers, and then INDIANA.

    That is mighty good company over the last six seasons, and I think we are heading on the path to returning to greatness. I think that the talent upgrade doesn't have to be earth-shattering when we've finally gotten rid of all the players who were seemingly setting the example of tuning out the coaching staff for personal agendas.

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    That win against Boston was huge
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    Power Rankings are irrelevant. I look at the standings not one thinks of my team, who has a limited knowledge of the NBA.

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    Power Rankings are irrelevant. I look at the standings not one thinks of my team, who has a limited knowledge of the NBA.
    Well, I think it's a stretch to say that Stein has a limited knowledge of the NBA, but Power Rankings are irrelevant. They're the Sports Journalist equivalent of playing with the trade checker. They have no impact other than to make fans talk. They don't effect playoff seedings or the results of the games.

    Fortunately, this isn't a beauty pageant/exhibition season like College Football, and the outcome is decided on the court.

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    Well, I think it's a stretch to say that Stein has a limited knowledge of the NBA, but Power Rankings are irrelevant. They're the Sports Journalist equivalent of playing with the trade checker. They have no impact other than to make fans talk. They don't effect playoff seedings or the results of the games.

    Fortunately, this isn't a beauty pageant/exhibition season like College Football, and the outcome is decided on the court.
    Someone was listening to Colin Cowherd yesterday, or its just a huge coincidence cause thats exactly what he said yesterday.

    Back on topic, its good to see the Pacers getting some love. Didn't Stein have us last in the division? This is a little knee jerk reaction from him, maybe he just realized we actually have a talented squad.

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    I see nothing wrong with power rankings. They're conversation pieces, nothing more. And they're based on team performance, so they are in fact relevant. Unless you don't think team performance is relevant, in which case you're a rather silly person.

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    Someone was listening to Colin Cowherd yesterday, or its just a huge coincidence cause thats exactly what he said yesterday.

    Back on topic, its good to see the Pacers getting some love. Didn't Stein have us last in the division? This is a little knee jerk reaction from him, maybe he just realized we actually have a talented squad.
    No, I don't listen to Colin.

    Obviously, I'd prefer that everybody say good things (that are true) about the Pacers, but all those #1 rankings in 2003-2004 didn't get us a title, so...

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    Here's something fun:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...x.html?eref=T1

    We dropped a spot.
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    I see nothing wrong with power rankings. They're conversation pieces, nothing more. And they're based on team performance, so they are in fact relevant. Unless you don't think team performance is relevant, in which case you're a rather silly person.
    See, I'd agree, if the point of the NBA was to have conversations. However, since a team's ranking has no bearing on wins and losses, on playoff berths, or on who wins the title, then it is beside the point. If there were no power rankings, the game would not be changed in any manner, whatsoever.

    That they are based on a team's performance does not make them relevant. They are after the fact. A team's performance may be relevant to the ranking (though, since they're all very subjective, it's really how someone perceives a team's performance), but the rankings are not relevant to the team's performance.

    Since, in the NBA, the team's performance is (ultimately) measured strictly in wins and losses, the rankings are irrelevant.

    They are conversation starters, but only for those who think they matter. There is no reason to get upset (or excited) over where Marc Stein or anyone else rates the Pacers. They fill up space, and it's always nice for them to be more positive than negative, but, on the whole, they're a boondoggle.

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