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    Default Return of the Center.

    Remember back in the 90's the league had some pretty damn good big men and they weren't all power forwards?

    H. Olajuwon, S. O'Neal, D. Robinson, P. Ewing, A. Mourning, D. Motumbo, a young T. Duncan (though he has always been listed as a PF)
    and to a lesser extent R. Smits, A. Sabonis, V. Divac, K. Willis, B. Reeves, Z. Illguaskas, etc.

    By the time the 2000's rolled around most teams were playing PFs or highly unskilled guys that happened to be tall at the position.

    Shaq and Duncan were really the only ones still playing (atleast at a consistent quality level).

    A few quality centers have been added here in there (like Yao for instance) but the league as a whole has been under manned at the spot.

    Take a look at the league over the past few seasons and there have been a good number of young centers coming into there own and a good number of centers drafted that are oozing with the "p-word". If all pans out we could have a league where half the teams or more have a legit center. I know its not likely that it will all pan out, but I'm still excited about the possibilities of future match-ups in the post and am intriged by a number young centers.

    We have the guys already established:

    Tim Duncan, SAS
    Dwight Howard, ORL
    Amare Stoudamire, PHO (when Shaq retires will he go back to center or will Robin Lopez be good enough?)
    Yao Ming, HOU

    The guys coming into their own:

    Al Jefferson, MIN (more of a PF but one of him or Love have to play the C)
    Chris Kamen, LAC
    Andrew Bogut, MIL
    Andrew Bynum, LAL
    Emeka Okafor, CHA (though I'd rather he be a PF)
    Andris Biedrins, GS (another PF playing center)
    Tyson Chandler, NO
    Samuel Dalembert, PHI
    Mehmet Okur, UTA

    Their's a whole lotta young guys who could rank anywhere among the ones above:

    Greg Oden, POR
    Al Horford, ATL (again a true PF, maybe they get a center in the future and put him at PF?)
    Spencer Hawes, SAC
    Marc Gasol, MEM
    Brook Lopez, NJN
    Robin Lopez, PHO
    Marreese Speights, PHI (PF, but a potential center)
    Roy Hibbert, IND
    JaVale McGee, WAS
    Alexis Ajinca, CHA
    Kosta Koufas, UTA
    Stanko Barac, IND

    They'll probably be a few more quality guys coming in next draft (Thabeet, Mullens)

    Alot of "potential" great match-ups in the post are to come (hopefully). Any matchups you guys excited about? Anyone who intriges you? Is their anyone that I omitted that you'd keep an eye on?

    I know they are some obvious answers to all the questions and I'm pretty sure there will be some difference of opinion. I'd like to hear any thoughts.

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    Good to see that someone has the brains to list Tim Duncan as a center. I get sick of seeing people calling Duncan a PF when he hasn't played that position at all since 2003.

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    Good to see that someone has the brains to list Tim Duncan as a center. I get sick of seeing people calling Duncan a PF when he hasn't played that position at all since 2003.
    isn't that negated by the fact he listed Big Country as a "pretty damn good big (man)"?

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    isn't that negated by the fact he listed Big Country as a "pretty damn good big (man)"?
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    You guys are completely forgetting about Greg Ostertag.

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    if the center doesn't return I know somebody who will

    http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=AJFUSiRCLBM

    EDIT: can somebody explain me how to make it watchable directly from this page?
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    Default Re: Return of the Center.

    and a few centers who won more titles, with three a piece, than any of the guys you listed... Bill Cartwright, Will Perdue, Luc Longley and Bill Wennington.

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    if the center doesn't return I know somebody who will

    http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=AJFUSiRCLBM

    EDIT: can someboday explain me how to make it watchable directly from this page?
    Either use the embed link on the YT page, or copy the v="whatever" part of the url and paste it between [yt] tags.

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    How did you not include Brad Daugherity?

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    How did you not include Brad Daugherity?

    He didn't see him. He was standing behind Bryant Reeves.

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    Merz, you may be onto something here.

    But remember that "MIGHT BE" is a different coin than "is." Three years ago, you might easily have placed David Harrison on the list of exciting new centers, and I'd have agreed with you.

    Chances are half the guys in your list will rival Harrison after 3 years in the league, and a couple of them won't last 3 years.
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    dwight howard is overrated...that is all

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    ...but would you trade Granger for him Croz?
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    ...but would you trade Granger for him Croz?
    of course...dwight howard is just not as good as people like to think right now. he's an all-star center regardless but the top center in the league and a future great? that's going way too far. gauging how good a player is goes beyond looking at a player's statistics, which is exactly what people do with dwight.

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    I'd trade Granger for Howard, for sure. But there's ten to fifteen players in the league I wouldn't trade for Howard.
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    If you had to choose 1 player to keep and build an entirely new team around Dwight would have to be pretty high on the list, no?

    CP3 and Lebron probably unanimously 1-2, but after that, I'm having a tough time thinking of someone over Dwight at third. Obviously a question like this is biased to youth or we might say TD, Kobe, KG, but still. Dwight is pretty good.

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    Tim Duncan, Yao Ming, Dwight Howard those three are in a league of their own. (okay Amare if you really want to count him too)
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    Quote Originally Posted by avoidingtheclowns View Post
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    isn't that negated by the fact he listed Big Country as a "pretty damn good big (man)"?
    the first seven were "pretty damn good" the ones after were thrown in for filler
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    How did you not include Brad Daugherity?
    I thought I did...I guess not. He was on my mind I just didn't type his name. Oops

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    Shaq is hallucinating now. Check this out:

    http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar..._best_big_man/

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    Tim Duncan, Yao Ming, Dwight Howard those three are in a league of their own. (okay Amare if you really want to count him too)
    I was not saying all these young players would be reaching their level. I'm just saying there are a lot of young bigs who actually have some talent who might reach it.

    Its better than the days of Zan Tabak, Todd McCollaugh, Jim McIlvaine, and the talented tandem of Greg Ostertag and Greg Foster.

    I fully expect over half these guys to fail...But that'd still leave more quality guys in the league than we had 5-7 years ago.

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    dwight howard is overrated...that is all
    Good thing Orlando didn't waste a high pick on him, then.

    Can you imagine if they'd tanked their season and gotten a #1 pick, only to spend it on an overrated big man?

    That would be embarrassing.
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    Good thing Orlando didn't waste a high pick on him, then.

    Can you imagine if they'd tanked their season and gotten a #1 pick, only to spend it on an overrated big man?

    That would be embarrassing.
    so you think howard is the clear #1 center in the league?

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