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  • Overdose call at Isiah Thomas's home

    http://www.lohud.com/article/2008102...0433/-1/SPORTS

    Overdose call at Isiah Thomas' Purchase home
    By Jonathan Bandler, Mike Dougherty and Frank Becerra Jr.
    The Journal News • October 24, 2008

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    PURCHASE - Harrison police and an ambulance crew went to the Purchase home of former Knicks coach Isiah Thomas early this morning on what a police radio report indicated was a possible overdose.

    Police Chief David Hall refused to discuss details the case, confirming only that his officers did respond to Thomas' home.


    "I'm not going to confirm or deny this. Were we there? Yes. But I'm not going to tell you who it is," Hall said.

    The call came in just after midnight. A police dispatcher mentioned a 46-year-old male at the Azalea Circle home but did not indicate whether drugs or alcohol were involved. Thomas is 47.

    A woman who answered an intercom at his Purchase home today refused to comment on Thomas' well-being, whereabouts or anything else.

    When reached this afternoon, Barry Watkins, vice president of communications for Madison Square Garden, said, "Isiah is fine."

    He declined further comment, saying it was a family matter.

    One neighbor in the quiet, upscale Purchase neighborhood, where Thomas purchased a home for $4.075 million in 2004, said she was asleep and heard nothing. Attempts to speak to other neighbors were unsuccessful.

    The Knicks, who are now coached by Mike D'Antoni, are scheduled to play the Nets tonight at the Garden in their final preseason game.

    Thomas, who was relieved of his duties as team president and coach last April, remains employed by the NBA club as a consultant.

    During the four seasons Thomas was in charge, the Knicks never won more than 33 games. He was 56-108 in two seasons as head coach.



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    Well, I hope that whoever was involved is OK. I would not wish such hardship on anyone.

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    • #3
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      Wow, I hope he's okay or whoever was involved.

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      • #4
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        apparently he took 10 sleeping pills, had stomach was pumped.
        This is the darkest timeline.

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        • #5
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          Originally posted by avoidingtheclowns View Post
          apparently he took 10 sleeping pills, had stomach was pumped.
          Well I doubt it was an accident then

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          • #6
            Re: Overdose call at Isiah Thomas's home

            http://www.nba.com/2008/news/10/24/1....ap/index.html
            Madison Square Garden spokesman Barry Watkins told The Journal News newspaper, "Isiah is fine." WCBS Radio reported that the call involved an "issue with sleeping pills."
            Isiah is fine? Does that mean it wasn't him? Or does that mean it was him and he's fine after going to the hospital? Man, I know a lot of people didn't like him but you never want something like this to happen to anybody.
            2015, 2016, 2019 IKL Fantasy Basketball Champions - DC Dreamers

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            • #7
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              http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/27363566/
              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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              "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

              -John Wooden

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              • #8
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                It never is an accident. sad

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                  Re: Overdose call at Isiah Thomas's home

                  http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/8...PHCP&gt1=39002


                  Isiah Thomas in OD drama at New York homeUpdated: October 24, 2008, 5:07 PM EST add this RSS blog email Print A 47-year-old man was taken to the hospital and treated for an accidental overdose of sleeping pills at the suburban home of former New York Knicks coach Isiah Thomas, police said on Friday.


                  Isiah Thomas coached five NBA seasons following an illustrious 13-year playing career. (David Dow/NBAE / Getty Images)
                  Police would not identify the victim, except to give his age. Thomas is 47. Harrison Police Chief David Hall said the case was not a suicide attempt.

                  The New York Post and CBS Station WCBS-TV in New York reported that the man who overdosed was, in fact, Thomas. The station cited unidentified sources in the report.

                  Madison Square Garden spokesman Barry Watkins told The Journal News newspaper, "Isiah is fine." WCBS Radio reported that the call involved an "issue with sleeping pills."

                  The Knicks had no comment. A message left with Thomas' public relations agency wasn't immediately returned.

                  An ambulance responded to a 911 call early Friday, and a person was taken to White Plains Hospital Center, about 5 miles from the home, Harrison Officer Vincent Lanzillotti said.

                  Late Friday afternoon, a small SUV escorted by a police car pulled into a private road leading to the luxury development in Westchester County where Thomas lives, about 30 miles from midtown Manhattan.

                  Thomas purchased the house on Azalea Circle in Purchase for more than $4 million in 2004, according to the Journal News.

                  Thomas was fired from the Knicks on April 18 after presiding over perhaps the most dismal era in the history of the franchise.


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                  Top stories | Rumors | Video | Photos Last season, Thomas was found to have sexually harassed a former team employee, feuded with point guard Stephon Marbury and benched center Eddy Curry — the players Thomas acquired in the two biggest of a number of moves that never panned out.

                  He was serenaded nightly with Garden chants of "Fire Isiah!" When he was dismissed, his record in New York was 56-108. Overall, he is 187-223 as an NBA coach, leading the Indiana Pacers to the playoffs in three straight years from 2000-03.

                  Thomas was hired as the Knicks' team president on Dec. 22, 2003. The Knicks made the playoffs that season, getting swept by New Jersey, but haven't gone back despite their high-paid lineup.

                  Still, Garden chairman James Dolan remained confident in Thomas, making him coach in June 2006 after firing Larry Brown following one season.

                  As a player, Thomas was one of the NBA's great point guards, winning NBA titles with the Detroit in 1989 and 1990. In college, he led Indiana to a national championship in 1981.

                  The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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                  • #10
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                    Yes, this is terrible. Basketball is probably all the guy has ever known...and it's not been pleasant for him for awhile.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Overdose call at Isiah Thomas's home

                      http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3663455

                      NEW YORK -- A suburban police chief likened the conflicting accounts of an accidental overdose at Isiah Thomas' home to a "cover-up" and rebuked the former New York Knicks coach Saturday for saying it was his teenage daughter who required treatment.

                      It wasn't his daughter," Harrison Police Chief David Hall told The Associated Press. "And why they're throwing her under the bus is beyond my ability to understand."

                      Authorities were called early Friday to Thomas' Westchester County home, where police said a 47-year-old man was taken to the hospital and treated for an overdose of sleeping pills.

                      Several media outlets reported that police confirmed it was Thomas who went to the hospital.

                      But reached on his cell phone Friday, the 47-year-old NBA great told the New York Post he had not been treated for a sleeping pill overdose, and that it was 17-year-old daughter Lauren who had a medical issue.

                      It "wasn't an overdose," he told the newspaper. "My daughter is very down right now. None of us are OK."

                      Hall forcefully refuted Thomas' statement.

                      "My cops ... know the difference between a 47-year-old black male and a young black female," Hall said.

                      "These people should learn something from Richard Nixon -- it's not the crime, it's the cover-up," he added.

                      Voice mails and text messages from the AP were left on Thomas' cell phone Saturday. Messages left earlier with Thomas' publicist and two of his attorneys were not returned.

                      No suicide note was found, and police were classifying the case as an "accidental drug overdose" on "a number" of prescription sleeping pills, Hall said.

                      Hall would not confirm the identity of the hospitalized man.

                      Thomas' 20-year-old son, Joshua, also said it was his sister, not his father, who required treatment.

                      "He's fine," the Indiana University student told the New York Daily News. "Reports of sleeping pills are false.".......

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                      If it was him and he's is using his own daughter to cover it up? I don't know what to say, I can't even find the words. If it wasn't him then Zeke should sue this Police Chief for all it's worth. I'll refrain from going any further until the details come out, but wow.
                      Last edited by Speed; 10-25-2008, 06:02 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Overdose call at Isiah Thomas's home

                        Someone tell Isiah that saying "It's a private matter and we won't discuss it at this time" is a fine answer to give....

                        -Bball
                        Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                        "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                        -John Wooden

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                          That's ****ed up.

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                          • #14
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                            If Isiah really is throwing his daughter under the bus, he's an even bigger scumbag than I thought. And that's saying something.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Overdose call at Isiah Thomas's home

                              Anyone remember when Isiah got pulled over by the police and they didn't recognize him? Maybe he thought the EMTs wouldn't be able to tell the difference between him and his daughter?

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