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    Default ENOUGH with the Shaq to the Pacers crap

    It has started.

    Shaq demands a trade - and the teams that are 'interested' are the Pacers and Dallas.

    The man makes $27 million. We would have to gut the team and include Jermaine.

    ENOUGH.

    This better be BS speculation.
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    I agree!! This is Highly unlikely. Shaq is in his 30's and O Niel in his 20's. Shaq has peaked and I will argue with anyone who says his best years are yet to come. JO still has his best years in front of him barring injury. This is a LAKERS daydream and that is it.

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    Yeah. Shaq is declining. Gutting the team for Shaq makes no sense at all.

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    Default Re: ENOUGH with the Shaq to the Pacers crap

    I don't believe we're interested. They must be making it up. Actually, I bet Vescey's making up giving up Jeff as well. Unless we're going to get another C.

    I just don't see any way that it's smart to trade Jeff unless you KNOW we're getting another C.

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    Default Re: ENOUGH with the Shaq to the Pacers crap

    Are you sure that's what he said? How can anyone be sure what Mr. Mumbles says?
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    Default Re: ENOUGH with the Shaq to the Pacers crap

    Donnie and Larry aren't that Stupid ...it's all rumors and hype. I would have said Shaq might have went back too Orlando if Tmac stayed but he's not staying , Rumors are Dallas is Intrested , I think Jerry West would Be intrested also

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    Default Re: ENOUGH with the Shaq to the Pacers crap

    Are you sure that's what he said? How can anyone be sure what Mr. Mumbles says?
    How did iu coach Mike Davis get into the discussion??
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    Default Re: ENOUGH with the Shaq to the Pacers crap

    I tell you what, Mark Cuban is stupid enough to trade for him, and gut his team in the process. Then maybe he'll get Phil, too.

    This all reminds me of a SportsGuy article a couple years back, where he listed the top-40 NBA players, with the basis of the ranking being, you'd trade the #7 player straight up for #6, but not for #8, etc. He listed Shaq #1, not necessarily because he was the best player, but his reasoning was something like, "If you actually trade Shaq, he'll be so pissed off he'll actually take the offseason seriously, lose 50lbs., come back the next season in shape and angry, and proceed to rip everyone in the league a new one."

    Not that I particularly want to see something like that happen, but I'd love to see Shaq give one of his patented "hard fouls" to Kobe. Like, the one that broke LaSalle Thompson's leg, or broke Vern Fleming's wrist AND knocked his teeth out, etc.
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    Default Re: ENOUGH with the Shaq to the Pacers crap

    I tell you what, Mark Cuban is stupid enough to trade for him, and gut his team in the process. Then maybe he'll get Phil, too.

    This all reminds me of a SportsGuy article a couple years back, where he listed the top-40 NBA players, with the basis of the ranking being, you'd trade the #7 player straight up for #6, but not for #8, etc. He listed Shaq #1, not necessarily because he was the best player, but his reasoning was something like, "If you actually trade Shaq, he'll be so pissed off he'll actually take the offseason seriously, lose 50lbs., come back the next season in shape and angry, and proceed to rip everyone in the league a new one."

    Not that I particularly want to see something like that happen, but I'd love to see Shaq give one of his patented "hard fouls" to Kobe. Like, the one that broke LaSalle Thompson's leg, or broke Vern Fleming's wrist AND knocked his teeth out, etc.
    You should know by now Cuban is someone who would do it , I sometimes wonder what really makes his mind tick in the basketball world.

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    L.A. Lakers trades: C Shaquille O'Neal (21.5 ppg, 11.5 rpg, 2.9 apg in 36.8 minutes)
    PF Stanislav Medvedenko (8.3 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 21.2 minutes)
    L.A. Lakers receives: SG Allan Houston (18.5 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 2.0 apg in 36.0 minutes)
    C Nazr Mohammed (7.4 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 20.1 minutes)
    C Dikembe Mutombo (5.6 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 0.4 apg in 23.0 minutes)
    Change in team outlook: +1.7 ppg, -1.5 rpg, and -0.8 apg.

    New York trades: SG Allan Houston (18.5 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 2.0 apg in 36.0 minutes)
    C Nazr Mohammed (7.4 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 20.1 minutes)
    C Dikembe Mutombo (5.6 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 0.4 apg in 23.0 minutes)
    New York receives: C Shaquille O'Neal (21.5 ppg, 11.5 rpg, 2.9 apg in 67 games)
    PF Stanislav Medvedenko (8.3 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 68 games)
    Change in team outlook: -1.7 ppg, +1.5 rpg, and +0.8 apg.

    TRADE ACCEPTED

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    I think that the Mavs could actually make a decent trade for Shaq that wouldn't ruin the team. Walker makes some crazy amount, over $14M, I think. If he were included the Mavs would be halfway there without losing an important piece to that team.

    It will be fascinating to see if anyone is actually interested in trading for Shaq and his contract.
    L.A. Lakers trades: C Shaquille O'Neal (21.5 ppg, 11.5 rpg, 2.9 apg in 36.8 minutes)
    L.A. Lakers receives: PF Antoine Walker (14.0 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 4.5 apg in 34.6 minutes)
    SG Michael Finley (18.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.9 apg in 38.6 minutes)
    Change in team outlook: +11.1 ppg, +1.3 rpg, and +4.5 apg.

    Dallas trades: PF Antoine Walker (14.0 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 4.5 apg in 34.6 minutes)
    SG Michael Finley (18.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.9 apg in 38.6 minutes)
    Dallas receives: C Shaquille O'Neal (21.5 ppg, 11.5 rpg, 2.9 apg in 67 games)
    Change in team outlook: -11.1 ppg, -1.3 rpg, and -4.5 apg.

    TRADE ACCEPTED

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    Default Re: ENOUGH with the Shaq to the Pacers crap

    I gained a ton more respect for Shaq after reading this article:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?id=1824721

    By Tom Friend
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    Jerry Buss is going to break up the Lakers or the state of Colorado is going to break up 'em up, but, either way, say your goodbyes.

    Because the exits are coming in droves. Phil Jackson is already gone, and, the truth is, Shaquille O'Neal wants to join him.

    It looks like Buss, the Lakers' owner, has made his choice: Kobe stays, the other Hall of Famers go. In other words, he is not averse to trading Shaq and is willing to build his franchise around a narcissist who's on trial for rape, doesn't make his teammates better and is in denial over all of it.

    Buss apparently will stop at nothing to keep Kobe off the open market, and I've been told that means he will offer Bryant partial ownership down the road. In the short term, he'll at least offer Kobe a quasi-general manager job, meaning Kobe can help pick the new coach, and, ostensibly, Shaq's replacement.

    Shaq knew this was coming, has known it for months, because he's refused to take the pay cut Buss wants him to take, the pay cut Kevin Garnett bent over backwards and took in Minnesota. Shaq says the Laker organization asked him to recruit Karl Malone last summer, asked him to recruit Gary Payton, and that it was understood they'd take care of him down the road. But they're not taking care of him, and, I'm not surprised that today he's just demanded a trade. He told me in late April he was resigned to the fact that it was time to go.

    "Well, I've seen it before," he said as we sat alone in the team's El Segundo training complex. "I've seen it before. It happens with the Ewings and the Dominiques. But give me enough respect and enough courtesy and let me know. And I'll make it easier for everybody.

    "But just don't tell me one thing and do another. Because you insult my intelligence like that. Just tell me. I ain't tripping. But the good thing about this country we live in, somebody will want this. Someone will want the Diesel. I've got about five, six good years left in me. Because the stuff that I'm doing, I still got a whole lot of stuff in me. I'm not even allowed to really take over the game how I want to. So I'm just out there playing on fumes right now."


    Shaq says the Lakers vowed to get him 'whatever you need' after recruiting Malone and Payton.
    O'Neal has a lot of beefs with the franchise. They are, in no particular order:

    Buss hasn't made his contract extension a priority.
    "People act like they care, but they don't really care about you," he said in our interview. "Because if they cared about you like they said they did, then stuff would be in place. And that's the only problem I have with business. I'm so honest and stern that if you don't want me here, just let me know. I'll do my time, and we can make up a story together, and it can be easy. But don't say, 'Hey, if you do this [recruit Malone], and you do this [recruit Payton], I'll get you whatever you need, baby. And then when I do that and it comes time and here you are messing around and jiggling around.

    "My thing is, if you're not going to pay me that, let me go. I've been in the game 12 years, I've been lucky enough to get three extensions in one lifetime, which is unheard of. So I'm not really complaining. But let me know. And don't try to match my numbers up against somebody else's numbers [Garnett's].

    "I'm not a dummy. I understand they want to go younger, [Kobe's] only 25, 26. I'm not tripping over that. But let me know, just let me know. I don't have a problem, just let me know. Give me that respect and give me that courtesy. Let me know."

    They should appreciate the fact that he didn't rip Kobe's head off this year.
    Think about it. Bryant called Shaq "fat" before the season. He said that Shaq begs out of games with mysterious injuries and that if he leaves the franchise, it'll be because of the big fella.

    Shaq, somehow, never retaliated. When Kobe was late for meetings all year and late for practices, Shaq never said anything. When Kobe had his own mysterious injury [the sliced finger], Shaq never said anything. When Kobe wouldn't shoot that day in Sacramento, Shaq never said anything.

    And the reason is, he'd promised Malone and Payton back in November he'd stay off of Kobe's case.

    "[The rift] didn't flare up again, because I promised Karl and Gary and all my other teammates," Shaq said. "I was advised to be the bigger man. To be corporate. Because he's already going through a delicate situation [in Eagle, Colo.] and I don't want to add to it. So I said, 'Just be the bigger man.' I'm big. I'm corporate.

    "See, even though I'm Shaq, I still have people over me. People over me who I respect and when they speak, there's no questions asked. A lot of people called me. The owner of the Staples Center called me and said, 'You did the right thing.' I always have corporate meetings, and they said, 'You did the right thing. You're good, Shaq. Appreciate that.'

    "See, with me and Karl and Gary and a lot of other guys, you can say something and it doesn't matter how you say it. They don't take it the wrong way. For example, I can say, 'Come on, Devean, mother------, play hard.' I can say that to Karl. But a sensitive guy will take that very sensitively."

    Like Kobe?

    "Like Kobe."

    Kobe's style of play drives him batty.
    No question, he admires Kobe's skills, but everything Shaq's stepfather said in San Antonio -- that Kobe essentially plays with blinders on -- Shaq agrees with.

    "John Wooden told me when I was 18, 19 years old, the sign of a great player is not how many points you score, but how you make your other guys play with you," Shaq said. "That's a great player. A lot of these guys now think if you score points and if you do all that sh-- around the basket, you're a great player. And that's not true basketball, and that's not the type of basketball I know how to play. If you've got a guy open, hit him. I may miss a guy once or twice, but I'm not gonna miss you three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10 times.

    "I could score 40 every night. If I shot the mother------ all the time. But you've got to keep Rick Fox involved, because you're gonna need Rick. You've got to keep D-Fish [Derek Fisher] warm. You've got to keep all these guys warm."

    Phil and his beloved triangle shouldn't be the scapegoats.
    Obviously, Shaq enjoyed that Phil ran the offense through him, but he also knows where the Lakers were before Jackson showed up: nowhere.

    "So, to bring somebody else in would be to start all over, and I don't have time to start all over," he said in our interview. "And I don't really need to start all over, because the formula's written, we know what we've got to do."

    Shaq also thought Kobe was inappropriate when he said he didn't like Phil "as a person" this year.

    "Me being a professional, that wouldn't happen with me, because I was raised under discipline," he said. "Of course, you'll have your disagreements and all that. But if I didn't like the man like that, I wouldn't make it a national thing. Like I said, I'm loyal. Because I could never get over the hump, and Phil's the man that brought me over. Period. He's the best at what he does. Track record proves it. He has 9 [titles], going on 10."

    But what Shaq says doesn't matter anymore, which is why he blew off his exit meeting Friday with general manager Mitch Kupchak. He's convinced the Lakers are already planning to trade him ... the same way Wilt was traded once, the same way Kareem was traded once.

    Orlando is the place that has the first overall pick to dangle, the place that has tons more No. 1s stockpiled to give up, the place Shaq still owns a home in.

    And Orlando is the only place that makes sense. Orlando is the place that has the first overall pick to dangle, and a ton of other No. 1 picks to add to the package. Orlando is the place that has huge contracts to send back to make the deal work, like Grant Hill's and Juwan Howard's. Orlando is the place Shaq still owns a home, and if Shaq comes, trust me, Tracy McGrady will rescind his trade request. This is the trade that Shaq wants.

    And trust me, he's thought about life after Kobe ... thought about it a lot. Thought about all the scenarios.

    Like the scenario of him staying and Kobe going to the Clippers.

    "It wouldn't be a real rivalry," he said. "It'll be a media rivalry. Won't be a real rivalry. You have to do something and be something before you can become a rival. Like, Napoleon wouldn't have had a rival with a guy that had one sheep and one cow and no army. You know? I don't care how much they say, 'Hey, this guy with one sheep and one cow and his brother that's 50 years old, he's a cold cat. And he's gonna take out Napoleon and that whole army by himself.' So Kobe on the Clippers, that wouldn't be no rivalry. It'd just be, hey, he used to play here and now he's duh duh duh. It'll just be hype. Hype for a night."

    Or the scenario of Kobe going not to another team ... but to jail.

    Or the scenario of them playing against each other in next year's Finals.

    "If we split up and I don't win, then everybody'll say, 'Well, if Shaq had Kobe, he would've won.' And if he don't win, it'll be, 'Well, if Kobe had Shaq, he could've won.' That's what everybody will be saying next year ...

    "Well, I like my chances better."
    "Just look at the flowers ...."

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    "I still got a whole lot of stuff in me. I'm not even allowed to really take over the game how I want to. So I'm just out there playing on fumes right now."

    So he mailed it in? Is that what Shaq is saying? I don't think he's saying that really but that's crap.

    Look, he was the guy who looked like he wanted a ring this year, but I still don't buy all this extremely self-centered and self-righteous crap.

    If he really wanted it he would get his weight under control and get a consistent free throw motion. These things have not happened for years now. He's as guilty as anyone else as he's no leader. He can talk about others but there are things he could take care of that he refuses to and wtf does that say about him? He's too good for that? He'd rather slack off and point fingers at others than take charge on things he can control.

    When the man is motivated, my God; but get over it. He didn't win a championship without Kobe either so unitl one does without the other... Not very coherent, sorry. I just don't buy it.

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    If we split up and I don't win, then everybody'll say, 'Well, if Shaq had Kobe, he would've won.' And if he don't win, it'll be, 'Well, if Kobe had Shaq, he could've won.' That's what everybody will be saying next year ...

    "Well, I like my chances better."


    I'm not a Shaq fan, but it's hard to disagree with that.
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