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  • Hibbert needs to start, and Rush needs lots of PT...

    Getting to the meat of this is Nesterovic is in the last year of his contract, and while he is a serviceable center, I doubt very much the Pacers are going to commit to him for the long term. Foster, on the other hand, is here for awhile, and it's likely slated eventually for a very solid bench role once Hibbert gets more seasoning. The key to this is where the Pacers will fall in the standings.

    I'm tired of mediocrity as a fan. As someone who coaches, I've always believed if the best you can do is mediocrity, go young. It's not a reflection on Foster or Nesterovic. If this Pacers team was going to compete for a championship, I would want Foster in the starting line up right from the start, as I have since the day they let Brad Miller go.

    This team isn't going to get to that level.

    Hibbert may never be a marquee center, but with his skill set at 7'2", he could be another Rik Smits, just enough of a presence as he becomes a veteran, that you must game plan against him. He will eventually need a body next to him who is at least another defensive presence and at the very least complimentary to his offensive skill set.

    Reports are that Hibbert's low post is going to be NBA caliber, and anyone who saw him in college knows he is an excellent passer with a good mid range jump shot. Without a strong low post game, he would be great with an active PF type, such as what Antonio Davis was in his prime, or even an undersized player such as David West.

    Moving to Brandon Rush, it would be nice to see him start too, but I would be happy with him being the first wing off the bench. I'd like to see Granger and Dunleavy at the SF and PF positions. Troy Murphy is a horrible defender, and offensively he is merely a spot shooter. Given the defensive deficiency, I'd much rather have Granger guarding bigger players because at least he would create match-up problems on the other end. That would allow Rush to move into the starting SG spot.

    While I could see the Pacers going with a more traditional starting line-up, keeping Murphy in there, I would hope the Pacers would throw mediocrity to the wind and make sure Rush plays. The Pacers finally have an heir apparent to Reggie Miller at SG, someone who is young, and someone who can play defense. I hope he doesn't dwindle on the bench for the sake of moving from 35 to 42 wins.

    If the Pacers do worse because of it, so be it. They get good experience, and the Pacers get a better shot at a good draft pick. The season won't be wasted because of the experience factor, and players like Ford, Granger, and Dunleavy are young enough that they could still be part of the winning in a couple of years.

    If the Pacers come out even, then it's a complete success.
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    Re: Hibbert needs to start, and Rush needs lots of PT...

    Nice read there, Jim.

    I will tell you that I will have to disagree with you on that Hibbert may never be a marquee center, I think he has all the skills and determination in the world to make himself a top player in his postition in the NBA.

    Roy displays the raw talent and discipline needed to grow as a player, and that could easily rub off on Brandon and a few of the other players. They will start to mimic him on the court, and in the community.

    I feel that the best is yet to come, yes, but this year is going to be a proving year.

    Good luck to our young players.

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    • #3
      Re: Hibbert needs to start, and Rush needs lots of PT...

      I think if they both get 15 minutes off the bench this year, everybody will get most of what they want.
      "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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      • #4
        Re: Hibbert needs to start, and Rush needs lots of PT...

        Do you think Hibbert's ready for an 82-game season? Most rookies aren't.

        I think if you start him and give him 25+ mpg right now, the dude crashes by the ASB.
        This space for rent.

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        • #5
          Re: Hibbert needs to start, and Rush needs lots of PT...

          I have to agree that both rooks need some quality playing time this year, but let's not rush them into the starting line-up because like Anthem said, they will hit that Rookie wall by the ASB.

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          • #6
            Re: Hibbert needs to start, and Rush needs lots of PT...

            Although I love the way he has handled himself in his 1st 3 games....I will hold judgement on him until we have a few more games under his belt before I annoint him a Starter.

            I loved his performance from yesterdays game....but keep in mind....this was against Darko ( who is Foul prone ) and Gasol along with a solid performance against a Bulls roster that had no real Big Man that could defend him. I'm trying not to diminish his performance by any means...cuz they were outstanding....but he hasn't really played against any real solid NBA caliber Big Men other then Chandler.

            If he continues to play this way....I think that we have found our 8th Man off the bench....ahead of both Marquis and Rush.....which could warrant about 15 minutes a game behind Murphy, Rasho and Foster.

            As for BRush, I think that he still has a ways to go. I am pretty sure that if Marquis was available yesterday, that he would have been getting more minutes over BRush against the likes of Gay and Mayo.
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            • #7
              Re: Hibbert needs to start, and Rush needs lots of PT...

              Roy has shown a lot of promise the first few games. The Pacers are going to allow Roy to see some PT this year, but you cannot expect him to come in and play 30 min a night consistently. He'll hit the rookie wall by January or February if he is playing extensively as he is not mentally and physically ready.

              The Pacers have the luxury of bringing Roy along slowly this year. I think there's a good chance he starts next year as I don't expect Rasho to resign (unless it's for cheap). But Roy has shown a lot of promise and I look for good things for him.

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              • #8
                Re: Hibbert needs to start, and Rush needs lots of PT...

                Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                Do you think Hibbert's ready for an 82-game season? Most rookies aren't.

                I think if you start him and give him 25+ mpg right now, the dude crashes by the ASB.
                Agreed. It will be a long season for Hibbert.

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                • #9
                  Re: Hibbert needs to start, and Rush needs lots of PT...

                  Originally posted by Smoothdave1 View Post
                  Roy has shown a lot of promise the first few games. The Pacers are going to allow Roy to see some PT this year, but you cannot expect him to come in and play 30 min a night consistently. He'll hit the rookie wall by January or February if he is playing extensively as he is not mentally and physically ready.

                  The Pacers have the luxury of bringing Roy along slowly this year. I think there's a good chance he starts next year as I don't expect Rasho to resign (unless it's for cheap). But Roy has shown a lot of promise and I look for good things for him.
                  That's what I'm thinking. I don't want to burn Roy out.....and given the depth that we have.....I don't feel the need to have him start over the likes of Rasho nor Foster. I would much rather give him the chance to make play so that he can make and learn from his mistakes.....but also want to make sure that we win games. Not to say that we can't win games while Roy plays....but unless he is absolutely dominating the opposing Frontcourt.....we don't have the luxury of letting Roy make a lot of mistakes that may cost us games.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Hibbert needs to start, and Rush needs lots of PT...

                    Duke, I get your notion about him being a marquee center, but I'm aiming low and thinking he still has a chance to be strong. I always thought Smits underachieved, but if Hibbert is his equal, he will be a factor on both ends. I would hope Hibbert would rebound better than Smits, and if he does, he'll be a marquee center.

                    To the others who have responded, I get the rookie wall issue, but I just don't see the down side to it. Again, going on the notion this team is at best mediocre, getting to and through that wall is necessary growth. It will eliminate some of that doubt next year when they will be counted on, in what would be expected to be a better year.

                    The short term to me doesn't matter for this team. I'm not saying tank the season or not care about wins, but I want those wins to come with Hibbert and Rush on the floor. If they do, that means between Granger or Dunleavy, one of them can be used to secure a good caliber PF in the offseason because the Pacers are going to have cap room.

                    I'd actually like to see them deal their #1 pick, protected to a point, with a Dunleavy or Granger AND Tinsley (get his butt off the books) for a stud PF, even if that trade doesn't happen until next summer. By then Tinsley's contract can be bait. If it has to be Granger, I'm OK with it.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Hibbert needs to start, and Rush needs lots of PT...

                      Originally posted by Jim R View Post
                      Duke, I get your notion about him being a marquee center, but I'm aiming low and thinking he still has a chance to be strong. I always thought Smits underachieved, but if Hibbert is his equal, he will be a factor on both ends. I would hope Hibbert would rebound better than Smits, and if he does, he'll be a marquee center.

                      To the others who have responded, I get the rookie wall issue, but I just don't see the down side to it. Again, going on the notion this team is at best mediocre, getting to and through that wall is necessary growth. It will eliminate some of that doubt next year when they will be counted on, in what would be expected to be a better year.

                      The short term to me doesn't matter for this team. I'm not saying tank the season or not care about wins, but I want those wins to come with Hibbert and Rush on the floor. If they do, that means between Granger or Dunleavy, one of them can be used to secure a good caliber PF in the offseason because the Pacers are going to have cap room.

                      I'd actually like to see them deal their #1 pick, protected to a point, with a Dunleavy or Granger AND Tinsley (get his butt off the books) for a stud PF, even if that trade doesn't happen until next summer. By then Tinsley's contract can be bait. If it has to be Granger, I'm OK with it.
                      I don't mean to ask....but did you decide to essentially trade Granger for the type of PF that you are looking for based off of the 3 Preseason Games that Rush and Hibbert had?

                      Don't get me wrong....I like what Rush did in that one game against the Bulls......and what Hibbert has done in the last 3 games...but I'm not ready to trade Granger given their performance.
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                      • #12
                        Re: Hibbert needs to start, and Rush needs lots of PT...

                        With Rasho there may be an oppurtunity to move him for youth prospect. Maybe Yao goes down for a month and Houston offers a Landry for Yao.

                        Rush and Hibbert will be part of the rotation but they are not ready to start. The preseason oasis maybe mirage. So I think that if we ease them into this it would benefit the future more than throwing them to the wolves.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Hibbert needs to start, and Rush needs lots of PT...

                          it'll take awhile before hibbert is ready for nba minutes. his conditioning isn't quite there yet. if he can maintain the determination, intensity, and work ethic he's shown thus far, i see no reason he can't become one of the better centers in the league capable of 35mpg. but he is still a rookie. 15-20mpg for the 1st half of the season is what i look for.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Hibbert needs to start, and Rush needs lots of PT...

                            From what I've seen, Hibbert has a Duncan-esque feel to him. Now before the annoying posters go crazy, l'm not comparing their skill levels just their styles. Hibbert has that intelligent poise to him and the same fundamentals you see out of a Tim Duncan, which is why I think he'll still be a damn good center despite his sub-par athleticism. Hard to believe that after all of the brain-dead athletic freaks that have flopped that skill and intelligence would become so underrated.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Hibbert needs to start, and Rush needs lots of PT...

                              Rasho is definitely an interim solution at best and my best guess is that Hibbert is the future C of this team. But one year of coming off the bench is not going to hurt him. I say we ride Rasho as the starter for one year, than Roy can be the man going forward. As long as Roy gets a minimum of 15mpg, he will develop fine. The Pacers are not going to sit him if he keeps playing remotely at this level and with his maturity...so I'm not too worried about that. If he deserves to play, I'm sure he'll get some time out there.

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