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    Default ESPN Player Profiles are Good Reads...

    During lunch today, I was going through the ESPN player profiles. Not sure if any of you have gone through these, but I think they're pretty darn good reads... for example, here's a tidbit or two from Danny Granger's that I hadn't put together on my own:

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/playe...?playerId=2760

    He also needs to try going around people rather than through them. Granger committed 35 offensive fouls last season, the 10th-most in the league; among perimeter players only Denver's Carmelo Anthony had more, and he had the rock far more often than Granger.

    He also needs to create a little more action for the others. While Granger's own scoring numbers were quite good, he was 52nd out 63 small forwards in Assist Ratio and 56th in Pure Point Rating. Part of being a go-to scorer is creating shots for guys who can't create their own, and he's fallen down on that part of the job.
    But then, at the end, they say he's most like *Tim Thomas* at his age? Ack! I hope that's purely based on statistics?!

    Here's a quick link to the rest of them:

    Baston - http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/player...er?playerId=44
    Croshere - http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/player...r?playerId=167
    Daniels - http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/player...?playerId=2200
    Davis - http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/player...?playerId=2212
    Diener - http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/player...?playerId=2749
    Dunleavy - http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/player...?playerId=1708
    Ford - http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/playe...?playerId=1979
    Foster - http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/playe...r?playerId=250
    Graham - http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/playe...?playerId=2832
    Granger - http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/playe...?playerId=2760
    Hibbert - http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/playe...?playerId=3436
    Jack - http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/playe...?playerId=2768
    Jones - http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/playe...r?playerId=402
    McRoberts - http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/playe...?playerId=3220
    Murphy - http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/playe...?playerId=1013
    Nesterovic - http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/playe...r?playerId=598
    Rush - http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/playe...?playerId=3457
    Tinsley - http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/playe...?playerId=1024
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    good find, thanks for sharing
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    I lost respect when they said he was like Tim Thomas at this point. Tim was averaging 8 points a go and has never averaged over 17.

    How do some of these guys get there jobs?

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    What about a glorified Tim Thomas?

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    THey said Hibbert will fill in the backup void of DH. They suck, but some of the things are alright.

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    Is Hibbert really one of the slowest guys in the league?


    I thought there were comments about how much weight he lost since his last game at UConn due to his daily workouts.

    I have a hard time believing he's even close to being as slow as Shaq and he plays for Pheonix.

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    I have a hard time seeing Granger as our perrennial go to guy.

    A second guy, sure. But unless he continues to add serious offensive skills this year and following, he just doesn't have the arsenal.

    Then again, he didn't have much of an outside shot his first year, it seemed. That definitely turned around. So I will give him a chance to prove himself.
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    I have a hard time seeing Granger as our perrennial go to guy.

    A second guy, sure. But unless he continues to add serious offensive skills this year and following, he just doesn't have the arsenal.

    Then again, he didn't have much of an outside shot his first year, it seemed. That definitely turned around. So I will give him a chance to prove himself.
    Nope, I'm with ya. He seems like the perfect #2 guy. That looks like Rush's ceiling as well, and Hibby looks great but not like Dwight Howard. So it seems like either we need Ford to become one of the best PGs in the NBA or we need to suddenly acquire a top-flight PF.

    But we've got time.... at least we're headed in the right direction.
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    I agree about Granger being the number 2. He reminds me a bit of Iguodala (not the athleticism part). Great player but can't dominate a game. Well, maybe some games but not most of them. The 76ers did EXACTLY what we need to do by picking up Brand. Like others have said, we are a PF away from being pretty good.

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    I agree about Granger being the number 2. He reminds me a bit of Iguodala (not the athleticism part). Great player but can't dominate a game. Well, maybe some games but not most of them. The 76ers did EXACTLY what we need to do by picking up Brand. Like others have said, we are a PF away from being pretty good.
    Brand was a great acquisition, but, in my opinion, Iggy is far better at being a primary offensive weapon than Danny.

    Iggy can create, and he has a midrange game. Danny doesn't have much of either. Would you swap Iggy for Danny? I sure would.
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    Nope, I'm with ya. He seems like the perfect #2 guy. That looks like Rush's ceiling as well, and Hibby looks great but not like Dwight Howard. So it seems like either we need Ford to become one of the best PGs in the NBA or we need to suddenly acquire a top-flight PF.

    But we've got time.... at least we're headed in the right direction.
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    Even the Pistons and Spurs have/had all-stars.

    (Quite a few between them actually)
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    Even the Pistons and Spurs have/had all-stars.

    (Quite a few between them actually)
    Zactly. You want a solid team like what? The Pistons? They had 4 all-stars a few years back, and all of those guys deserved to get in. The Spurs? Duncan, Manu, and Parker are all better than anyone on this team.

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    A nice write-up on Troy Murphy. For all the hate people like to spew about his FG%, he ranked 15th in the league in true shooting percentage amongst all power forwards, well above average. There's also some flattering remarks made regarding his rebounding, assists and low number of turnovers. Pretty much everything except for defense.
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    I didn't think the profile comments weren't as bad generally either, could just be me though.
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    It basically says Jarret Jack isn't a point guard, but a shooting guard, interesting.

    I hope TJ Ford starts to get some major assists here in the preseason. I love the penetrate at will, but it needs to be to set up other guys too. We'll see.

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    I hope TJ Ford starts to get some major assists here in the preseason. I love the penetrate at will, but it needs to be to set up other guys too. We'll see.
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    A nice write-up on Troy Murphy. For all the hate people like to spew about his FG%, he ranked 15th in the league in true shooting percentage amongst all power forwards, well above average. There's also some flattering remarks made regarding his rebounding, assists and low number of turnovers. Pretty much everything except for defense.
    What is a "straight on" three point attempt?
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    What is a "straight on" three point attempt?
    I believe it's just a bomb from the top of the key...

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    granger still needs to go in order for the pacers to have a chance at acquiring a top talent that could lead us deep in the playoffs and to championships. and he definitely needs to go before his value decreases tremendously with a highly overpaid contract.

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    You can't say Granger's not a top talent on one hand, then turn around and expect one of the 29 other teams to just give us one for him.....

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    ^

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    granger still needs to go in order for the pacers to have a chance at acquiring a top talent that could lead us deep in the playoffs and to championships. and he definitely needs to go before his value decreases tremendously with a highly overpaid contract.
    I agree with this.

    I like Dun over Granger, and Danny's trade value is higher. We could score the low post threat piece we need to really contend. JMO.
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