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    No word from Jones on his intentions

    Eddie Jones did not join the Pacers for Sunday's practice in Conseco Fieldhouse and is not expected to meet them Monday in Memphis. It's uncertain if the 36-year-old veteran acquired Friday from Dallas in the Shawne Williams will report at all.

    "He was in a situation that he wasn't in Dallas' camp," said O'Brien. "We would like him in our camp and we would like him on our team unless he decides he doesn't want to play. And then that's something that Larry (Bird) and his agent are going to have to talk about. We anticipate seeing where he is and getting him up here."

    Does O'Brien believe Jones could help the Pacers?

    "Until I'm told differently, that's my viewpoint," said the coach. "My anticipation is that we just made a trade and we got a player in the trade and we expect any player we trade for to report. If they don't, then there's an issue. But I'm expecting him to be here and to play. That's my expectation. We expect him in here unless he decides to not be in here an then that's out of my hands and it comes down to his agent and our management."

    When the Mavericks were hammering out the details of the trade that would bring Jason Kidd from the Nets last February, Jones' name was mentioned in the deal. At that time, Jones said he would refuse to report to New Jersey if dealt. "There is no next stop for me," he told The Dallas Morning News. "I'll go home."

    Jones has been bothered by a hamstring injury through training camp and the early stages of the preseason.

    The Pacers also received two second-round picks from Dallas, the 2009 selection and either the 2010 or 2011 choices; the option belongs to the Mavs.


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    I wonder what's gonna happen.

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    Good question.

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    Assuming he doesn't want to be a Pacer, here's my thoughts.

    Best case: we waive him and somebody claims him off waivers.

    Next-best case: we buy him out and save a bit.

    Worst case: we cut him and pay him his full salary, using up the money we got from Mark Cuban.

    None of those possibilities upset me.
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    If he does not report, then we are required to pay him...right? if so, then he shouldnt count against our cap?
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    If he does not report, then we are required to pay him...right? if so, then he shouldnt count against our cap?
    Why should we pay him if he doesn't report or retires? Let the Simons keep their money.

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    Why should we pay him if he doesn't report or retires? Let the Simons keep their money.

    Sorry bud, meant to say "not" required
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    Guaranteed means guaranteed. The only way we don't pay him is if he is waived and claimed, I believe.

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    I wonder what happens now.

    Saying "he has until 5 p.m. on Sunday to report" makes it sound like there may be consequences, but what could they possibly be?

    A trade isn't complete until physicals are passed, right?

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    I think it's a serious problem in the NBA if a player can opt to not even show up after he's traded yet the team expecting him is left writing him checks while he's hurting them. Surely there's SOMETHING positive for that team in this scenario.

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    Does guaranteed mean that a player who signs a 5 year $50M can decide he doesn't want to play or report to a new team and just go home? I don't know that any contract works that way.

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    Guaranteed contracts in the NBA work that way.

    There may be some fines available, but nothing like he's making, and nothing that would come off the cap.

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    From the Collective Bargaining Agreement -- Wouldn't the reasonable discipline cited in the last line be forfeiture of any salary coming to the guy?

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    If he won't report he won't get paid. A contract is for services rendered, no service = breach of contract. Best case scenario for us is to buy him out for 500,000 or so. This would make the trade complete and give him his freedom.

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    If he won't report he won't get paid. A contract is for services rendered, no service = breach of contract. Best case scenario for us is to buy him out for 500,000 or so. This would make the trade complete and give him his freedom.
    The culture in the nba does suggest that players expect to be paid without services rendered. Reminds me of the way some big CEOs think.

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    He's probably gonna retire.
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    We'll waive him. We'll pay him. Just as initially reported.

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    I don't know why you guys would be surprised that Jones will get paid. If an NFL player holds out from training camp, he still gets paid. And that's not even all guaranteed.

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    Hell, come to think about it, Tinsley is getting paid to sit on his butt. There's no difference.

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    Cut him, waive him, buy him a bus ticket back to Dallas.....whatever....I don't really care....I want to choose the best option that allows us to save the most $$$.
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    I'm glad he didn't show up and hope he doesn't show up. This team has been through major surgery, through the IC ward and on the way to recovery. Eddie 's nothing more than a bandaid. He is not a part of our future and as such should not be a part of our present either.

    And this is the first and last time I mention it, but that's the way I feel about Croshere, too.
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    Hell, come to think about it, Tinsley is getting paid to sit on his butt. There's no difference.
    Tinsley reports and pouts. Jones isn't even reporting. That's the difference. If a player refuses to honor his contract that is breach of contract. I can't imagine any contract being worth the paper it's written on if the player can ignore it BUT still get paid.

    If an NFL player holds out for a new contract and doesn't report to training camp, IF the team actually cares about keeping him, then paying him for missed time might be part of the carrot they offer to get him to end the hold out and/or accept their counter offer. Again, you're talking a situation where both parties are ultimately wanting to be in an agreement.

    Tinsley might not want to be a Pacer, but not badly enough to forfeit his contract or blatantly breach it.

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    Only argument for him at this point in his career is the veteran presence one. Personally, I don't want him anyway. Good player in his day but he's over the hill! And since he doesn't want to be here, do whatever to move him along. Ditto for Croshere. My read on him is the same minus the doesn't want to be here part.
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    Hell, come to think about it, Tinsley is getting paid to sit on his butt. There's no difference.
    He wouldn't be paid if TPTB told him to come to camp. There is a big difference. What Tinsley has done in the past is to claim an injury not that he didn't want to play. If Jones doesn't come to camp and the pacers want to make a stand he can be suspended for every game he doesn't participate in. Legally they can do it. See BBall.

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    I don't believe that a player has the right under their contract to simply not report to work and still get paid for it. I'm no contract expert but I would think the team would have the right to simply void the players contract and pay him nothing after a reasonable amount of time. I wouldn't even think the union would side with a player if he expected to be paid.

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