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    Ouch...

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    Wow. This isn't gonna end well.
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    Oh joy... he gets to return against... You guessed it, the Pacers!
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    There is somethign to be said for the reasonableness of this. He's going to miss that amount of time anyway, and he got hurt because he was in violation of his player contract.

    I wonder how the NBPA will attack this?
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    well, i am no lawyer but, i would guess there isn't a damn thing the nbpa can do about it.
    contracts are pretty clear about what players can and can't do. and he clearly broke it. thus, they don't have to pay the dummy a dime for what he did. he should consider this a lesson learned- and a costly one at that too.

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    contracts are pretty clear about what players can and can't do. and he clearly broke it.
    That won't stop the NBPA's lawyers. It just means they will need to find a clever way to get creative with the language/ facts.
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    yeh, you are probably right in that they will try to do something. however, i just don't see them being able to do much about it. they are free to give it a go but, i see them losing this one- as well they should.

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    Wow.

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    He got lucky...

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    I've read since that post that his agent was "in the know". The NBPA has a duty to protest all of these suspensions, but that doesn't mean they will try very hard if public opinion agrees with this move.
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    30-games is a long time, but since he'd probably be out rehabbing for that time period anyway, I guess it really doesn't matter. But wow!

    Maybe Ellis should consult w/his teammate, Stephen Jackson. They can share notes on how to live through a 30+ game suspension w/o getting paid.

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    As you said, the amount of games is a non-issue.

    The story here should read "golden state warriors fine Monta Ellis $4 million dollars for moped incident."

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    Sounds fair to me... especially if GS has to use that cash to sign someone to the PG rotation.
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    The number of games don't really matter because he will still be recovering for most of the first two months of the season anyways.

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    What could matter, however, is pissing off the impressionable, 23-year-old millionaire you just signed for the next six years.

    I'm not saying GState isn't totally within its rights to go the "without pay" option based on the fact that Monta did something expressly forbidden by his contract and then lied about it...But I can guarantee Monta is in no way happy about not getting paid. And that fact may be more relevant to their future symbiotic relationship over the next few years than saving a few bucks and abiding by contract language to the letter.
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    What could matter, however, is pissing off the impressionable, 23-year-old millionaire you just signed for the next six years.

    I'm not saying GState isn't totally within its rights to go the "without pay" option based on the fact that Monta did something expressly forbidden by his contract and then lied about it...But I can guarantee Monta is in no way happy about not getting paid. And that fact may be more relevant to their future symbiotic relationship over the next few years than saving a few bucks and abiding by contract language to the letter.
    Jesus, yeah. Not a good way to start that relationship, is it? Monta may have broken the contract but he's 23 for chrissakes. This seems like an emotional overreaction on GS's part. They've got to be cooler. I think suspending him for 5 or 10 games would have admonished him just as much but wouldn't run the risk of pissing off their main guy for the future.

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    Personally, if I'm GS I could give two ****s about Ellis being upset right now. He's the one who put himself in this situation by being a dope. I'm not going to coddle him now. He messed up, he's paying for it, and if he's a man, he'll understand and move on.

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    Jesus, yeah. Not a good way to start that relationship, is it? Monta may have broken the contract but he's 23 for chrissakes. This seems like an emotional overreaction on GS's part. They've got to be cooler. I think suspending him for 5 or 10 games would have admonished him just as much but wouldn't run the risk of pissing off their main guy for the future.
    It's this "kinder, gentler" approach that makes our kids and younger generation a nation of candy *** punks. Where is the accountability in letting him off like you suppose. That would be in the same vein as letting Spreewell off the hook after putting his hands around Carlisimo's neck.

    I'm sorry if my reaction is harsh, but I'm having a hard time with your opinion.
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    There's ideology and then there's reality.

    GState drawing a line in sand against this the candy *** punk society may certainly be commendable -- and even possibly beneficial for its own franchise if Monta takes the message correctly and admirably -- but there remains the possibility that it may also lead to a significant potential devaluation of a $66 million, er, $62 million asset.

    It may not be right. And it might have no affect on a "man." But, like it or not, the reality is that it is more likely than not to affect the performance, desire and work ethic of a 23-year-old, coddled NBA star.

    My only real point was that by upsetting the kid, you risk the possibility of turning the guy you invested in as if he will be the next Calvin Murphy into the next Tim Thomas. You can say "Screw the guy then if that's how he reacts to a perfectly reasonable punishment based on a contract he breached"...but it's also pretty easy to take that view when it's not your money...and not your cap that will be destroyed.
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    It's this "kinder, gentler" approach that makes our kids and younger generation a nation of candy *** punks. Where is the accountability in letting him off like you suppose. That would be in the same vein as letting Spreewell off the hook after putting his hands around Carlisimo's neck.

    I'm sorry if my reaction is harsh, but I'm having a hard time with your opinion.
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    There's ideology and then there's reality.

    GState drawing a line in sand against this the candy *** punk society may certainly be commendable -- and even possibly beneficial for its own franchise if Monta takes the message correctly and admirably -- but there remains the possibility that it may also lead to a significant potential devaluation of a $66 million, er, $62 million asset.

    It may not be right. And it might have no affect on a "man." But, like it or not, the reality is that it is more likely than not to affect the performance, desire and work ethic of a 23-year-old, coddled NBA star.

    My only real point was that by upsetting the kid, you risk the possibility of turning the guy you invested in as if he will be the next Calvin Murphy into the next Tim Thomas. You can say "Screw the guy then if that's how he reacts to a perfectly reasonable punishment based on a contract he breached"...but it's also pretty easy to take that view when it's not your money...and not your cap that will be destroyed.
    JayRedd said it well enough but just to re-emphasize my point, they could have come up with other ways of admonishing Monta - say a 5 or 10 game suspension - that would not have affected a 23 year-old in a negative way. To me, this is like cutting someone's hand off when slapping it would have sufficed.

    If he does this again, then you can slap him with the 4-million dollar fine.

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