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    foster had more value imo as an expiring contract

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    But none for Granger?
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    foster had more value imo as an expiring contract
    Foster is a good investment in a down market. He can play either C or PF and do it pretty well. Anyone like that does not come for 3M/yr....so we got him at a decent price.

    Of the proven players on the team, he is probably behind only Granger, Ford and Dunleavy in terms of value. JMHO...

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    Foster is a good investment in a down market. He can play either C or PF and do it pretty well. Anyone like that does not come for 3M/yr....so we got him at a decent price.

    Of the proven players on the team, he is probably behind only Granger, Ford and Dunleavy in terms of value. JMHO...
    i just see his value as a GREAT trade asset. foster is useless on a losing team imo. i actually feel bad for the guy and what he's had to put up with since 2001.

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    Jeff's making $5.5m this year. I would say the Pacers gave him a ten percent raise not compounded. That would be $6,050,000 next year, and $6,600,000 his last year. Total, $12,650,000.
    Yup... pretty much:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3637019

    Veteran center Jeff Foster signed a two-year extension worth $12.7 million, ESPN.com has learned.

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    I guess the ECF trips sucks.

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    I guess the ECF trips sucks.
    not sure if you're referring to my comment or not but how can you not feel bad for foster and what he's been put through since 2001?

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    This is great news, Foster is a good guy and hard worker. So far I am pleased with what Larry is doing. Of course time will tell.
    This has been a horrific offseason.

    Unless your idea of a good offseason is to become a 24 win team (bright side) and to give away your most talented player in the process.

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    This has been a horrific offseason.

    Unless your idea of a good offseason is to become a 24 win team (bright side) and to give away your most talented player in the process.
    What are you talking about!?

    The Pacers Offseason > Horrific

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    When did we get rid of Danny Granger?

    In other news, did you know that Foster is #1 among active players in Offensive Rebounding Percentage? I have no idea exactly what that is, but it sounds important and Jeff's the best at it.

    Also, I just found out (hopefully I'm not the last, though I probably am) that Foster was originally drafted by Golden State and traded here for Vonteego Cummings and a future first rounder that the Warriors then used to draft Troy Murphy.

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    Forgot who they used that draft pick on. But man, what a quinkydink!

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    this was something that had to be done! Shawne out and Foster staying longer. Good job Bird.

    Man Bird has done so much this offseason. I cant remember another GM moving all these kinds of players. We see a lot of new faces this year. Ford, Rush, Hibbert, Jack, McBob, Rasho, Baston (who has been here before), Jones, and Croshere (who has been a long time Pacers before)
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    Yup... pretty much:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3637019

    Veteran center Jeff Foster signed a two-year extension worth $12.7 million, ESPN.com has learned.
    That's what I've been thinking. It has to be as much as the likely MLE or Foster would have just waited til the offseason for the FA market.

    Again, I know it's a little too much.....but I'm okay with that. IMHO.....he's worth it...especially since it's a 2 year deal.
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    Jeff's making $5.5m this year. I would say the Pacers gave him a ten percent raise not compounded. That would be $6,050,000 next year, and $6,600,000 his last year. Total, $12,650,000.
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    Yup... pretty much:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3637019

    Veteran center Jeff Foster signed a two-year extension worth $12.7 million, ESPN.com has learned.
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    That's what I've been thinking. It has to be as much as the likely MLE or Foster would have just waited til the offseason for the FA market.

    Again, I know it's a little too much.....but I'm okay with that. IMHO.....he's worth it...especially since it's a 2 year deal.
    OK...that makes some sense...that's the max raise for a 2-yr extension (I'd been caught up in the Danny extension, which has no real "max raise %", that I'd forgotten vet extensions couldn't be higher than 10.5% of the last year.

    It's basically right at MLE, and I think basically at market value. Even if it's slight above, I refer you back to Jay Redd's earlier post on overpaying.

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    Wait. So shouldn't we extend Jack too? Wouldn't that be less than his cap hold?

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    Wait. So shouldn't we extend Jack too? Wouldn't that be less than his cap hold?
    I would think that Bird wants to see more of Jack in our offense before committing ot him. Unlike Granger and Foster....we have only seen Jack play in 2 preseason games so far.
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    I would think that Bird wants to see more of Jack in our offense before committing ot him. Unlike Granger and Foster....we have only seen Jack play in 2 preseason games so far.
    That makes sense, but then again, if we can get Jack for a value under his cap hold and somehow pull of a favorable Tinsley trade then we might be more than MLE players next summer. Right? Or is my math just off right now?

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    Wait. So shouldn't we extend Jack too? Wouldn't that be less than his cap hold?
    Yes...Jack's cap hold would be $6 million, while I'd expect his extention to be in the $3.5 to $5mm range, as a start. However...

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    I would think that Bird wants to see more of Jack in our offense before committing ot him. Unlike Granger and Foster....we have only seen Jack play in 2 preseason games so far.
    I'd agree that we're leaning towards keeping him, but may not quite be ready to commit. However, if you could get an extension of something like 3 yrs, $12mm, I would lock him up.

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    That makes sense, but then again, if we can get Jack for a value under his cap hold and somehow pull of a favorable Tinsley trade then we might be more than MLE players next summer. Right? Or is my math just off right now?
    Here's the basic deal. If the Pacers don't move Tinsley, or don't reduce the salary impact on next year in a Tinsley deal, the Pacers will have roughly $47.9mm in guaranteed contracts. Danny's cap hold will be about $7.0mm, and let's assume a caphold for our first round pick of about $2.0mm.

    47.9 plus 7.0 plus 2.0 puts us at about 56.9mm. I'd expect the cap to be between 61 & 62mm next year, so that leaves us only $5-6mm of space.

    Effectively, we've already locked ourselves out of the above MLE market by extending Jeff.

    Caveat: If we can make the Denver Deal (Atkins/Hunter for Tinsley), then that would clear an additional $2.7mm of cap space, which could make us a player above the MLE.

    However, if we do anything with Jack other than renouncing his rights, then we're basically out of cap space.

    Unless we unload one of the big contracts for an expiring (Murph, Junior, Tinsley), we will not be big players in Free Agency next year. Any major acquisitions will come through the Draft, trades, or the MLE.

    EDIT: I should note that all of the figures above are prior to looking at JJ's cap hold or re-signing him. The same is true with Rasho, McBob, Graham, and Baston
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    Effectively, we've already locked ourselves out of the above MLE market by extending Jeff.
    Which is fine with me. We don't need to start adding a ton of salary next year anyway. I'd rather make small moves** until Troy/Dun/Foster expire.

    And by "moves" I mean "salary additions."
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    i just see his value as a GREAT trade asset. foster is useless on a losing team imo. i actually feel bad for the guy and what he's had to put up with since 2001.
    You may have a good point here. Are we rebuilding, or retooling?

    However, I think Larry Bird is more committed to returning to the playoffs and winning back the fans. Jeff helps him do that...

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    Which is fine with me. We don't need to start adding a ton of salary next year anyway. I'd rather make small moves** until Troy/Dun/Foster expire.

    And by "moves" I mean "salary additions."
    I didn't mean to imply that it was a bad thing. The truth of the matter is that I've always believed we were out of that market, because I've always believed we'd need to keep some of those FA's (specifically, JJ & Jeff), so the capholds were there anyway.

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    i just see his value as a GREAT trade asset. foster is useless on a losing team imo. i actually feel bad for the guy and what he's had to put up with since 2001.
    He's not overly useful on a winning team, either. First big off the bench, perhaps? His coaches don't like to play him more than >24 mpg in his prime and his spot is always open for competition. I give him credit for working hard and winning back his spot, but it also says something when someone of his (lack of) skill level is one of our key rotation players.

    For what you said, I don't mind the team rewarding him for his hard work over the years. This particular contract is unlikely to be a major disruption the rebuilding of the front court that needs to take place whether he is shipped away to acquire new pieces or just takes a seat on the bench. Its basically an MLE-type of contract, and those are still easily tradeable.

    I think this is a financial favor from the Pacers to Jeff, and it is unlikely to change any of the potential trade scenarios for Jeff as the season progresses. In fact, if the ultimate goal is to trade him for a first-round draft pick, this extension probably helps increase the number of teams that would consider trading for him. I still think he'll finish the season on the Spurs roster.
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    I think this is a financial favor from the Pacers to Jeff, and it is unlikely to change any of the potential trade scenarios for Jeff as the season progresses. In fact, if the ultimate goal is to trade him for a first-round draft pick, this extension probably helps increase the number of teams that would consider trading for him. I still think he'll finish the season on the Spurs roster.
    I would tend to agree. I think his trade value is about the same, though perhaps a little less for those teams currently shooting the "2010" heroine into their veins.

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    Right, but he's not valuable to them in the first place. He's valuable to the Spurs, Celtics, maybe the Lakers, the Rockets if they haven't already turned into a bandaged, looney joke by the trade deadline - teams that are looking to win a title in the next two seasons. Not teams looking to get into the 2010 sweepstakes.
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    Right, but he's not valuable to them in the first place. He's valuable to the Spurs, Celtics, maybe the Lakers, the Rockets if they haven't already turned into a bandaged, looney joke by the trade deadline - teams that are looking to win a title in the next two seasons. Not teams looking to get into the 2010 sweepstakes.
    Perhaps my original post didn't properly convey my contempt for the 2010 strategy.

    I know you're not a huge fan of Jeff Foster, but I think he's a good guy to have as a contributor to your team. I think the teams that you mention above would be pleased to have him, even 15-20 minutes a game.

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