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MOTOGP on the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Circuit THIS weekend

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  • MOTOGP on the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Circuit THIS weekend

    Indianapolis

    Where is the excitement, MotoGP has arrived at the world famous Indianapolis Motor Speedway Circuit for the inaugural Indianapolis Grand Prix

    I’m excited, very excited, i have watched the Indy 500 before and can’t wait to see how the bikes adapt to the circuit

    What’s the vibe in Indiana, are the streets aligned with publicity and excitement..





    MotoGP » Indianapolis Grand Prix - Preview.
    Wednesday, 10th September 2008

    MotoGP makes its Indianapolis debut this weekend, for round 14 of the 2008 world championship.

    Although best known for its Indy 500 car race, the first event ever held at the 'Brickyard' was a motorcycle race in 1909. A new 2.618 mile road course, which includes the main straight of the oval circuit, has been designed to welcome the present breed of 800cc grand prix prototypes.

    Leading the field into Indy will be MotoGP's biggest star, Valentino Rossi, who returns to the USA unbeaten since his magnificent victory in July's US Grand Prix at Laguna Seca, handing the Italian a 75 point lead with just five rounds to go.

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    Rossi's shock victory over reigning champion Casey Stoner in California was the focal point of the season. The seven time world champion won the next two races in Brno and Misano, after Stoner fell from the lead at both events.

    Stoner and Ducati Marlboro have to win on Sunday to keep the slimmest of title chances alive, but the young Australian will be riding through the pain of an old scaphoid injury and is also coming under pressure from third placed Dani Pedrosa.

    The Repsol Honda rider caused a great stir after the race in Misano when he announced he would be switching to Bridgestone tyres from Michelin for the last five races of the season. Pedrosa trails Stoner by just two points in the championship but may take time to adjust to his new rubber despite a successful test in Misano on the Monday after the race.

    Reigning double 250cc world champion Jorge Lorenzo will definitely be sticking to Michelin tyres on his Fiat Yamaha and finished a superb second behind team-mate Rossi in Misano to re-ignite his season. The 21-year-old Spaniard is fourth in the championship and is aiming to end the season as he started it, battling for victory.


    http://www.crash.net/motorsport/moto...-_preview.html
    Ya Think Ya Used Enough Dynamite there Butch...

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    Re: MOTOGP on the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Circuit THIS weekend

    Free Practise Times Day 1

    Wild-card Ben Spies is the only rider present to have previously lapped the new Indianapolis road circuit on a MotoGP machine.

    Like first practice, this afternoon's second session also took place in wet conditions, with heavy rain pouring down for most of the afternoon hour.

    Kawasaki's Anthony West was fastest in both sessions, setting the best lap of the day, a 1min 53.034secs, during the morning session.


    1. Anthony West AUS Kawasaki Racing Team (B) 1min 54.274 secs
    2. Chris Vermeulen AUS Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (B) 1min 55.032 secs
    3. Alex de Angelis RSM San Carlo Honda Gresini (B) 1min 55.067 secs
    4. Valentino Rossi ITA Fiat Yamaha Team (B) 1min 55.425 secs
    5. Ben Spies USA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (B) 1min 55.869 secs
    6. Andrea Dovizioso ITA JiR Team Scot MotoGP (M) 1min 56.225 secs
    7. Jorge Lorenzo SPA Fiat Yamaha Team (M) 1min 56.313 secs
    8. Casey Stoner AUS Ducati Marlboro Team (B) 1min 56.458 secs
    9. Dani Pedrosa SPA Repsol Honda Team (B) 1min 56.782 secs
    10. Marco Melandri ITA Ducati Marlboro Team (B) 1min 57.534 secs
    11. John Hopkins USA Kawasaki Racing Team (B) 1min 58.335 secs
    12. Randy de Puniet FRA LCR Honda MotoGP (M) 1min 58.382 secs
    13. Sylvain Guintoli FRA Alice Team (B) 1min 58.399 secs
    14. Nicky Hayden USA Repsol Honda Team (M) 1min 58.546 secs
    15. Colin Edwards USA Tech 3 Yamaha (M) 1min 58.600 secs
    16. Toni Elias SPA Alice Team (B) 1min 59.059 secs
    17. Shinya Nakano JPN San Carlo Honda Gresini (B) 1min 59.092 secs
    18. James Toseland GBR Tech 3 Yamaha (M) 1min 59.478 secs
    19. Loris Capirossi ITA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (B) 1min 59.661 secs


    Indianapolis MotoGP test - 02/07/2008:
    Fastest lap: Niccolo Canepa ITA Bridgestone/Ducati Test Rider (B) 1min 43.0069secs*

    * some minor modifications to the track layout have been made since the test.


    http://www.crash.net/motorsport/moto...times_(2).html


    Two wet racing specialists leading the initial practise sheets with the Championship leader Rossi in forth and Reigning world Champion Stoner in 8th position

    Nicky Hayden in 14th is a bit of a surprise but i don't think he's a big rain rider but he has been at the circuit before
    Ya Think Ya Used Enough Dynamite there Butch...

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      Re: MOTOGP on the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Circuit THIS weekend

      I'd love to be able to go this but I'm booked this weekend elsewhere. Bikes on the IMS roadcourse and crossing the yard of bricks it some serious speed has to be exciting in person.

      -Bball
      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

      -John Wooden

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        Re: MOTOGP on the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Circuit THIS weekend

        Man I would so go to that if i lived anywhere near Indy. I love motorcycle racing. Rossi is the man.

        A few years back I went to motorcycle races at Pocono Speedway, not MotoGP but still some fast bikes and it was awesome.

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          Re: MOTOGP on the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Circuit THIS weekend

          Oh goodie...more racing. blech


          Although, how many people around here can say they have hit the pit wall, been checked by the saftey crew, and walked away? I can.
          Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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            Re: MOTOGP on the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Circuit THIS weekend

            That's a awesome story IG, what were you racing at the time...

            I'm real excited about the race tonight....

            It'll be tough getting up at 4am to watch the race but it will be worth it, the Speedway is just a brilliant site...


            MotoGP » Rossi takes first Indy pole.
            Saturday, 13th September 2008

            Valentino Rossi takes the first ever MotoGP pole position at Indianapolis.


            Valentino Rossi has taken the first ever MotoGP pole position at Indianapolis - putting an end to Casey Stoner's seven successive pole positions in the process.

            After MotoGP's miserable Indy debut in soaking wet conditions on Friday, day two thankfully proved rain-free and allowed the 800cc prototypes to stretch their legs around the new Indy road course.

            The limited dry running - even final free practice was held on a damp track - helped produce a hectic qualifying session, in which the likes of Nicky Hayden and Colin Edwards delighted the local fans by joining regular frontrunners Rossi and Stoner in battling for pole.

            Add in further pole appearances by Toni Elias, Randy de Puniet and Jorge Lorenzo and you get an idea of the thrilling show on offer this afternoon.

            Rossi, who will start this Sunday's race with a 75 point world championship lead over Stoner, reached the top for the final time with seven minutes remaining - then extended his lead to almost half a second over Stoner on his last flying lap.

            Hayden, who had been sliding his RC212V like the old 990cc RC211V, got a little too sideways on his last pole attack and was denied a front row start when Lorenzo and then Stoner snatched second position from the American on their own final laps.

            Stoner managed to get within 0.084secs of Rossi, setting the scene for a close race on Sunday - although wet weather is predicted to return - while Lorenzo backed up his podium return at Misano by lapping within 0.4secs of Fiat Yamaha team-mate Rossi to be the top Michelin rider.

            Lorenzo was just 0.094secs faster than Hayden, with wild-card Ben Spies qualifying a very impressive fifth in only his third MotoGP qualifying session. The triple AMA Superbike champion, overlooked by Suzuki for 2009, qualified eight place in front of the next quickest GSV-R, of Loris Capirossi, in 13th.

            After several pole appearances, Randy de Puniet dropped to sixth for Honda LCR, with Andrea Dovizioso seventh and Dani Pedrosa eighth on his qualifying debut with Bridgestone tyres and the pneumatic valve RC212V.


            Elias fell from his Alice Ducati with 15 minutes remaining, before qualifying ninth on the grid, while rookie James Toseland completed the top ten, one place in front of Tech 3 Yamaha team-mate Edwards.

            Having been a top six rider in all three free practice sessions, Alex de Angelis will be bitterly disappointed to start twelve on the grid for Honda Gresini.

            Lining up behind the San Marinese will be Capirossi, Sylvain Guintoli, Chris Vermeulen, John Hopkins, Shinya Nakano, Marco Melandri and Anthony West - who had been quickest in both of Friday's wet sessions.



            Qualifying:

            1. Rossi
            2. Stoner
            3. Lorenzo
            4. Hayden
            5. Spies
            6. de Puniet
            7. Dovizioso
            8. Pedrosa
            9. Elias
            10. Toseland
            11. Edwards
            12. de Angelis
            13. Capirossi
            14. Guintoli
            15. Vermeulen
            16. Hopkins
            17. Nakano
            18. Melandri
            19. West

            http://www.crash.net/motorsport/moto...indy_pole.html
            Ya Think Ya Used Enough Dynamite there Butch...

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              Re: MOTOGP on the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Circuit THIS weekend

              Originally posted by GO!!!!! View Post
              That's a awesome story IG, what were you racing at the time...

              Wheelchairs.

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                Re: MOTOGP on the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Circuit THIS weekend

                Now, now Spicoli. Picking on the old fart. You know he racing his riding lawn mower at the time.

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                • #9
                  Re: MOTOGP on the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Circuit THIS weekend

                  Indy set up a jump ramp in Broad Ripple (bar district) and the drivers did freestyle jumps on ThursdayNight this event was free. Saturday was a beautiful day but Sunday & Friday were doomed by IKE.

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