Today I examine, in the 4th of the series, the potential, play, impact, and utilization of another key member of this years Pacer rotation, guard Jarrett Jack.
Jack is a bigger, more physical point guard, whose value and worth is particularly important when he is sharing a position with a player so diametrically different than he is, in our case that is dimunitive point guard T.J. Ford. Jack becomes even more critical for us because of Ford's lack of size against bigger guards in the East will make him a defensive liability. (Rajon Rondo, Chauncey Billups to name two) Add Ford's defensive shortcomings in certain matchups to his tendency to get dinged up occasionally, and there may not be a more important player on our roster when it comes to winning big games than Jarrett Jack.
With that said, I wanted to take a closer look at Jarrett Jack's game, both positively and negatively. Let's start with what he brings to the table potentially as a defender.
The Pacers point guard defense has been atrocious for quite a few years now. Ford and Jack as a tandem will be able to solve most of our problems in this area, except that neither of them will be able to do it without the other's help. Both matchup differently against different opponents, and each bring different things to the table offensively as well. If you want to learn alot about Coach Jim O'Brien, here is a true litmus test of whether he truly is a "defensive minded" or "offensive minded" coach: Does he decide which point guard to play in the 4th quarter based on who is the better defender, or who is the better offensive player?
Jack brings alot of advantages to the floor on the defensive end against certain opponents. Jack is strong physically and has superior strength and size against most of his brethren in the league, so teams will not be able to post him up at all. When opposing coaches have done this in the past from what I have seen, Jack holds his ground very well, keeps people with his strong lower body from being able to back him down, and forces posting up guards to have to rid themselves of the ball or take a bad shot.
On the perimeter, Jack is still a good defender, but not spectacular. He lacks the superior quickness Ford has, so you won't see him as often get right up in someone's grill and pressure the ball up the floor. You will however see him apply good to decent ball pressure against second level guards, and some starting level floor generals. Because he lacks blinding quickness, he more often than not usually stays just a bit back from someone, and more or less focuses on staying in front of his man, instead of trying to dictate where he wants his man to be forced to go.
I think the words that describe Jack in most cases as a ball pressure point guard defender are conservative, careful, and consistent. He probably won't get a huge amount of steals, but he will be reliable and won't get toasted all that often in this situation, unless he is forced to guard the types of players that T.J. Ford can match up better against, such as Chris Paul, Devin Harris, Tony Parker, etc etc.
Now, it is rumored or speculated that Jack will play alot of time paired WITH Ford, in a small ball type of backcourt. I hate that for many reasons as I study it, and defensively is a big reason why. I don't find Jack to be a very good defender in chasing players around and thru screens. Granted, I haven't seen a huge amount of tape of him in these situations yet, but when I have I feel like Jack is a pretty easy guy to rub off screens and clear space against.
You see, I think Jarrett Jack's main advantage in life is being bigger and stronger than his opponent. When you ask him to play with a smaller player in his own backcourt, he loses that entire advantage, and I think becomes a below average player on both ends. I have a feeling that if the Pacers think the defensive answer to stopping guys like Rip Hamilton and Ray Allen is Jack, they are in for a giant disappointment. Watching Jack under the microscope for the little bit I have, he seems to lose focus just a bit when his man is away from the ball side, and he tends to drift just a bit. You see him be slow to recover from helpside back to strong side, as he always seems to be just a fraction too late to defend a shooter.
He has another pretty clear to me defensive tendency when he is being screened that I both like and dislike: he tends to just run full speed right into the screener! Let me be clear....I like the physicality of that, and it does make screeners a bit more cautious knowing that this man is going to inflict as much punishment on them as they do to him. But the obvious negative to that is that guys shoot too many wide open jump shots when he guards them when they run him through a maze of screens.
The other defensive reason I already hate the idea of him playing with Ford is that Jack looks like he has slightly below average length and hops, which is again a concern when he is asked to defend alot of jump shooters. I like Jack's chances of being strong enough to keep guys out of the paint, or to be smart/quick enough to cut off the drive of most wings he'd be asked to defend.....but the one last athletic move he needs to have to be able to be a really strong wing defender would be to stop on a dime, rise up, and contest a jump shot hard with a big hand up, hopefully influencing a shot and creating a miss.
So, defensively, I think Jack is above average as point guard, but below average when defending other positions. Whether I'm right or not is something to keep an eye out on this season.
Offensively, Jack is what you like as a coach: very mistake free most of the time. He usually plays within his limits, and tries to run the stuff called for him. He isnt a creative player, and won't push the ball nearly as well as T.J. Ford will. Ford is the superior ballhandler, no question.
And it is ballhandling with Jack that he needs to improve the most I think, particularly his speed with the ball when trying to attack. Much like Anthony Johnson, opponents can get up on to Jarrett and make him turn his back to the defense in order to protect the ball, which of course hurts his vision trying to run an offense. Jack stands up too high when dribbling, and that hurts his speed with the ball. He needs to flex his knees more and quit dribbling so high.
Everybody, including me, loved the idea of the contrast of styles we could use with Ford and Jack when the deal was first made. It seems to be a pairing at first glance that can be very successful. I still feel that may end up being true, but there are some pitfalls from having 2 so radically different players playing minutes for you at this key position of point guard.
Can Jim O'Brien deal with having to play so drastically different strategies depending on which guard he has in the game? Will he be willing to adjust to these 2 guys and their strengths, or will he try to pigeonhole Jack in a system that he can't be as successful in? The Pacers I think will almost need 2 separate playbooks, one with Ford playing point guard and one with Jarrett Jack playing it. Will O'Brien adapt to that, or will he feel more comfortable playing Travis Deiner at times instead of Jarrett?
Think about a screen/roll for a second. With Ford as the ballhandler, you want to space the floor differently and have the "screener" perhaps just "pop back" and stay on the perimeter, because Ford will get to the basket most of the time. But with Jack, he will likely pull up short and not turn the corner as hard or penetrate as deep, so players with them will need to react differently. Neither are bad inherently, but adjustments will need to be made by the staff.
I hate the Ford/Jack combination playing together offensively as well. I doubt that it does anything positive for us to leave Jack out front with the ball and run Ford off of baseline screens, as this isnt something T.J. is adept at. Likewise, running multiple screens for Jarrett Jack isnt going to give you much either, as Jarrett just isnt the dynamic or creative type player that would merit that much effort to get him open.
In the halfcourt playing the point guard spot, we can get some production out of Jarrett Jack however. I think most teams will, if they are forced to at all, will double off of him to try and defend against Granger or anyone else we have who is temporarily "hot". I dont see him as a great shooter against pressure, but if left wide open I think Jarrett Jack can and will make a three point wide open shot, although he takes some time getting it off and he needs quite a bit of space.
I like Jack alot as a screener potentially. It could be one of his better strengths. I like the idea of Jarrett playing inside a bit and screening across for our bigs, who need help getting open if they are to score inside. Some very nice "little on big" screens involving Jack and Hibbert/Murphy/Foster/Rasho or Granger make alot of sense from a strategic standpoint.....much like Jerry Sloan would do in Utah.
It would be unbelievably convenient if Jack could develop a post up game he could rely on on the low block. His size and strength and type of game really dictate he continue to develop this. If he could come up with this asset (think of a point guard like Sam Cassell, for instance) the Jack could solve some of post up concerns offensively, especially for the second unit. For this reason, if the Pacers were smart enough to have a "big man" coach I'd have them working with Jack alot on the low block developing a couple of basic moves he can use to punish smaller defenders.
This is key because it is likely that, due to injuries or matchups, that Jack will be forced to start against some opponents he will struggle to guard this season. If he could at least punish guys inside like Allen Iverson or Daniel Gibson, it would really be a giant help to us. I particularly would like him to develop the right handed jump hook, and the turn around baseline fadeaway jump shot.
How many minutes Jack should play, and at what position should he play them, will likely be a controversial topic this season on this board all season. To me, he helps us most when he plays about 20-22 minutes a game or so, all at point guard. I think he can be used to play in the 4th quarter if we matchup better defensively with him in the game instead of Ford, although Ford won't like that at all. Handling that potential infighting between our headstrong point guards might be an issue worth monitoring.
There is one small but critical way Jack potentially can help us win some close games at the end of the 4th quarter: Jack can inbound the ball! This is a lesser thought of but crucial thing, as in the past the Pacers have had issues coming up with someone trustworthy to throw the ball in either from the side or under the basket. Jack has the size and decision making ability to really help in this regard, which frees up other guys like Granger and Dunleavy to come off screens and be scorers.
For those of you who have seen Jack play more than I have and read this thread, I'm particularly curious to see if you believe that, like the Pacers apparently do, that Jack and Ford can prosper playing together at the same time if asked to. To me, it's obvious that they can't, but I'm thinking Im in the minority here. We havent that I can recall had a real specific, in depth discussion of Jarrett Jack yet, maybe this thread can be that.
As always, the above is just my opinion.
Tbird
Jack is a bigger, more physical point guard, whose value and worth is particularly important when he is sharing a position with a player so diametrically different than he is, in our case that is dimunitive point guard T.J. Ford. Jack becomes even more critical for us because of Ford's lack of size against bigger guards in the East will make him a defensive liability. (Rajon Rondo, Chauncey Billups to name two) Add Ford's defensive shortcomings in certain matchups to his tendency to get dinged up occasionally, and there may not be a more important player on our roster when it comes to winning big games than Jarrett Jack.
With that said, I wanted to take a closer look at Jarrett Jack's game, both positively and negatively. Let's start with what he brings to the table potentially as a defender.
The Pacers point guard defense has been atrocious for quite a few years now. Ford and Jack as a tandem will be able to solve most of our problems in this area, except that neither of them will be able to do it without the other's help. Both matchup differently against different opponents, and each bring different things to the table offensively as well. If you want to learn alot about Coach Jim O'Brien, here is a true litmus test of whether he truly is a "defensive minded" or "offensive minded" coach: Does he decide which point guard to play in the 4th quarter based on who is the better defender, or who is the better offensive player?
Jack brings alot of advantages to the floor on the defensive end against certain opponents. Jack is strong physically and has superior strength and size against most of his brethren in the league, so teams will not be able to post him up at all. When opposing coaches have done this in the past from what I have seen, Jack holds his ground very well, keeps people with his strong lower body from being able to back him down, and forces posting up guards to have to rid themselves of the ball or take a bad shot.
On the perimeter, Jack is still a good defender, but not spectacular. He lacks the superior quickness Ford has, so you won't see him as often get right up in someone's grill and pressure the ball up the floor. You will however see him apply good to decent ball pressure against second level guards, and some starting level floor generals. Because he lacks blinding quickness, he more often than not usually stays just a bit back from someone, and more or less focuses on staying in front of his man, instead of trying to dictate where he wants his man to be forced to go.
I think the words that describe Jack in most cases as a ball pressure point guard defender are conservative, careful, and consistent. He probably won't get a huge amount of steals, but he will be reliable and won't get toasted all that often in this situation, unless he is forced to guard the types of players that T.J. Ford can match up better against, such as Chris Paul, Devin Harris, Tony Parker, etc etc.
Now, it is rumored or speculated that Jack will play alot of time paired WITH Ford, in a small ball type of backcourt. I hate that for many reasons as I study it, and defensively is a big reason why. I don't find Jack to be a very good defender in chasing players around and thru screens. Granted, I haven't seen a huge amount of tape of him in these situations yet, but when I have I feel like Jack is a pretty easy guy to rub off screens and clear space against.
You see, I think Jarrett Jack's main advantage in life is being bigger and stronger than his opponent. When you ask him to play with a smaller player in his own backcourt, he loses that entire advantage, and I think becomes a below average player on both ends. I have a feeling that if the Pacers think the defensive answer to stopping guys like Rip Hamilton and Ray Allen is Jack, they are in for a giant disappointment. Watching Jack under the microscope for the little bit I have, he seems to lose focus just a bit when his man is away from the ball side, and he tends to drift just a bit. You see him be slow to recover from helpside back to strong side, as he always seems to be just a fraction too late to defend a shooter.
He has another pretty clear to me defensive tendency when he is being screened that I both like and dislike: he tends to just run full speed right into the screener! Let me be clear....I like the physicality of that, and it does make screeners a bit more cautious knowing that this man is going to inflict as much punishment on them as they do to him. But the obvious negative to that is that guys shoot too many wide open jump shots when he guards them when they run him through a maze of screens.
The other defensive reason I already hate the idea of him playing with Ford is that Jack looks like he has slightly below average length and hops, which is again a concern when he is asked to defend alot of jump shooters. I like Jack's chances of being strong enough to keep guys out of the paint, or to be smart/quick enough to cut off the drive of most wings he'd be asked to defend.....but the one last athletic move he needs to have to be able to be a really strong wing defender would be to stop on a dime, rise up, and contest a jump shot hard with a big hand up, hopefully influencing a shot and creating a miss.
So, defensively, I think Jack is above average as point guard, but below average when defending other positions. Whether I'm right or not is something to keep an eye out on this season.
Offensively, Jack is what you like as a coach: very mistake free most of the time. He usually plays within his limits, and tries to run the stuff called for him. He isnt a creative player, and won't push the ball nearly as well as T.J. Ford will. Ford is the superior ballhandler, no question.
And it is ballhandling with Jack that he needs to improve the most I think, particularly his speed with the ball when trying to attack. Much like Anthony Johnson, opponents can get up on to Jarrett and make him turn his back to the defense in order to protect the ball, which of course hurts his vision trying to run an offense. Jack stands up too high when dribbling, and that hurts his speed with the ball. He needs to flex his knees more and quit dribbling so high.
Everybody, including me, loved the idea of the contrast of styles we could use with Ford and Jack when the deal was first made. It seems to be a pairing at first glance that can be very successful. I still feel that may end up being true, but there are some pitfalls from having 2 so radically different players playing minutes for you at this key position of point guard.
Can Jim O'Brien deal with having to play so drastically different strategies depending on which guard he has in the game? Will he be willing to adjust to these 2 guys and their strengths, or will he try to pigeonhole Jack in a system that he can't be as successful in? The Pacers I think will almost need 2 separate playbooks, one with Ford playing point guard and one with Jarrett Jack playing it. Will O'Brien adapt to that, or will he feel more comfortable playing Travis Deiner at times instead of Jarrett?
Think about a screen/roll for a second. With Ford as the ballhandler, you want to space the floor differently and have the "screener" perhaps just "pop back" and stay on the perimeter, because Ford will get to the basket most of the time. But with Jack, he will likely pull up short and not turn the corner as hard or penetrate as deep, so players with them will need to react differently. Neither are bad inherently, but adjustments will need to be made by the staff.
I hate the Ford/Jack combination playing together offensively as well. I doubt that it does anything positive for us to leave Jack out front with the ball and run Ford off of baseline screens, as this isnt something T.J. is adept at. Likewise, running multiple screens for Jarrett Jack isnt going to give you much either, as Jarrett just isnt the dynamic or creative type player that would merit that much effort to get him open.
In the halfcourt playing the point guard spot, we can get some production out of Jarrett Jack however. I think most teams will, if they are forced to at all, will double off of him to try and defend against Granger or anyone else we have who is temporarily "hot". I dont see him as a great shooter against pressure, but if left wide open I think Jarrett Jack can and will make a three point wide open shot, although he takes some time getting it off and he needs quite a bit of space.
I like Jack alot as a screener potentially. It could be one of his better strengths. I like the idea of Jarrett playing inside a bit and screening across for our bigs, who need help getting open if they are to score inside. Some very nice "little on big" screens involving Jack and Hibbert/Murphy/Foster/Rasho or Granger make alot of sense from a strategic standpoint.....much like Jerry Sloan would do in Utah.
It would be unbelievably convenient if Jack could develop a post up game he could rely on on the low block. His size and strength and type of game really dictate he continue to develop this. If he could come up with this asset (think of a point guard like Sam Cassell, for instance) the Jack could solve some of post up concerns offensively, especially for the second unit. For this reason, if the Pacers were smart enough to have a "big man" coach I'd have them working with Jack alot on the low block developing a couple of basic moves he can use to punish smaller defenders.
This is key because it is likely that, due to injuries or matchups, that Jack will be forced to start against some opponents he will struggle to guard this season. If he could at least punish guys inside like Allen Iverson or Daniel Gibson, it would really be a giant help to us. I particularly would like him to develop the right handed jump hook, and the turn around baseline fadeaway jump shot.
How many minutes Jack should play, and at what position should he play them, will likely be a controversial topic this season on this board all season. To me, he helps us most when he plays about 20-22 minutes a game or so, all at point guard. I think he can be used to play in the 4th quarter if we matchup better defensively with him in the game instead of Ford, although Ford won't like that at all. Handling that potential infighting between our headstrong point guards might be an issue worth monitoring.
There is one small but critical way Jack potentially can help us win some close games at the end of the 4th quarter: Jack can inbound the ball! This is a lesser thought of but crucial thing, as in the past the Pacers have had issues coming up with someone trustworthy to throw the ball in either from the side or under the basket. Jack has the size and decision making ability to really help in this regard, which frees up other guys like Granger and Dunleavy to come off screens and be scorers.
For those of you who have seen Jack play more than I have and read this thread, I'm particularly curious to see if you believe that, like the Pacers apparently do, that Jack and Ford can prosper playing together at the same time if asked to. To me, it's obvious that they can't, but I'm thinking Im in the minority here. We havent that I can recall had a real specific, in depth discussion of Jarrett Jack yet, maybe this thread can be that.
As always, the above is just my opinion.
Tbird
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