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    Default Pacers Fantasy Preview from 82games.com

    http://www.82games.com/fantasy/team_preview_pacers.htm

    Some mildly interesting stuff that hasn't been posted yet.

    Team Preview #20: Indiana Pacers

    by Eric Wong AKA Roto Evil

    August 30th, 2008


    LAST SEASON

    The Pacers won 36 games under new Coach Jim O'Brien, a year after winning 35 games under Rick Carlisle. The difference?

    In '06-07, they had a 92.4 pace factor (10th), made 5.9 threes (17th), dished out 20.5 assists (19th), and scored 95.6 points (24th) per game.

    In '07-08, they had a 97.7 pace factor (3rd), made 9.2 threes (3rd), dished out 22.7 assists (7th), and scored 104.0 points (7th) per game. The result? A more exciting squad and much better fantasy stats.
    OFFSEASON MOVES

    Key Additions: TJ Ford, Jarrett Jack, Nesterovic, Brandon Rush, R. Hibbert, J. McRoberts, M. Baston
    Key Losses: Jermaine O'Neal, Flip Murray, Diogu, Kareem Rush, Jamaal Tinsley?, Shawne Williams?

    Jermaine O'Neal's wish was finally granted, as he got traded to Toronto over the summer for TJ Ford, Nesterovic, and Maceo Baston. I remember Baston throwing down a lot of dunks as a Michigan Wolverine, and thought he had potential as the Bulls' very last pick (#58) in 1998. While he helped turn Maccabi Tel Aviv into a Euroleague powerhouse, he's played just 614 total minutes in the NBA. What's odd however, is that he played in 16 games for Toronto in '02-03, 47 games for Indiana in '06-07, back to Toronto for 15 games last season, and now he's back in Indiana. At 33 years old, is this the year that he finally gets some serious playing time? With Ike Diogu also gone (sent to Portland for Jack & McRoberts), perhaps.

    The Pacers also received two 1st round picks in their trades, netting swingman Brandon Rush (to replace his brother Kareem!) and 7-foot-2 center Roy Hibbert. TJ Ford will basically replace Jamaal Tinsley, whom the Pacers are actively shopping. Don't be surprised if Shawne Williams is sent packing as well, as Indy is trying to cleanse itself from any troublemakers. Perhaps their most unheralded yet most intriguing pickup was the 21-year old McRoberts, who was born & raised in Indiana before starring at Duke.
    ROTATION / PLAYING TIME

    It sounds like Tinsley's days in a Pacers uniform are over, so T.J. is now running the show. While Tinsley always flashed potential, Ford will be much more dependable. If healthy, I project he'll start and play around 30 minutes per game. It took 6 years, but Mike Dunleavy, Jr. finally showed why he was the #3 overall pick in '02. He set career-highs in nearly every single category and shot the ball way better than he ever did before. He's found a home in Indiana, so he's a lock to duplicate the 36 mpg that he averaged last season. Backing up both guys will be Jarrett Jack, who performed fairly well as Portland's 3rd guard. I'll project 22-24 mpg for him off the bench, which means much fewer minutes for both Marquis Daniels & Travis Diener.

    At small forward, Danny Granger is one of the most underrated young players in the league and is only going to get better. He saw nearly 38 minutes of action after the break, so expect the same for '08-09. I think Brandon Rush is a much better defender and athlete than his brother Kareem, so I'm expecting him to play a key role as a rookie. He'll get at least 10 minutes per game, and perhaps up to 20 if Williams is traded and they give Granger a chunk of minutes at power forward. Like Dunleavy, Troy Murphy has never sniffed the postseason. The Notre Dame grad hasn't been that spectacular since signing a lucrative 6-year deal for $58 million in 2005, but his minutes should go up this year with Jermaine & Ike now out of the picture. I'm projecting 32-33 minutes for Murph and a solid bounceback campaign. At center, Jeff Foster will likely start and pull down mad rebounds as always. He averaged 24.5 mpg last season, but that number may fall to 22-23 with Nesterovic around. Rasho should get 18-20 minutes at center, which leaves some garbage time for Hibbert until he proves himself. Baston & McRoberts will battle for the remaining big man minutes, and could even play a key role if someone gets hurt.
    DON'T SLEEP ON: Troy Murphy

    Looking at his recent stats, it's hard to believe that Murphy was one of just 5 players to average 15+ points and 10+ rebounds per game in '04-05. Since then, his role on the Warriors declined, he was traded to the Pacers, and he's had to battle for minutes ever since. But it's time for Troy to step up. And based on his Post All-Star numbers, I think he's ready. After the break, his minutes rose to 31.8 and he put up 14.8 points, 7.7 boards, 2.4 assists, .7 steals, .5 blocks, and 1.4 threes while shooting a rock solid 50.5% FG and 42.2% 3P.

    OK, so those shooting %'s are sure to decline a bit, but the rest of his numbers could easily rise with a few more minutes. I'm going to project around 15 points, 9 boards, .5 blocks, and 1.5 threes per game. The blocks are weak, but the threes are money for a center-eligible player. Did you know? Only 4 players have ever been named Big East Player of the Year TWICE: Chris Mullin (St. Johns), Patrick Ewing (Georgetown), Richard Hamilton (UConn), and Troy Murphy (Notre Dame).
    BE CAREFUL OF: Mike Dunleavy

    As I said before, Lil Dun had a career-year in '07-08. His 17.3 PER blew away his previous high of 15.1 (set in '03-04), and the green light from Jim O'Brien helped him finish 12th in 3P% (42.4%) and 17th in threes per game (2.0). And he was surprisingly consistent, shooting 48% FG or better in 4 of the 6 months. Mike D. turns 28 next month, so he's in his prime, but I'm doubtful that he can duplicate last season's stats.

    For starters, I think the Pacers will have a more balanced scoring attack this season, as Murphy will get more shots and Ford is a better scorer than the Tinsley/Diener/Andre Owens PG trio. I also like Jack & Rush off the bench. They're not going to steal any minutes away from Dunleavy, but they could steal a few rebounds & assists. And lastly, I'd estimate that the chances of him shooting better than 42.4% from beyond the arc are about 12%. He's still a Top 50 fantasy player, but you need to be careful.
    ROUND BY ROUND TARGETS

    (Where you should draft these guys in an 8-cat Roto league with 12 teams and 14 man rosters)

    Granger: 2nd - 3rd
    Dunleavy: 4th - 5th
    Ford: 7th - 8th
    Murphy: 7th - 8th
    Jack & Rush: Don't draft (but watch closely)
    Tinsley: Don't draft (but watch where he gets traded)
    Foster, Nesterovic, Hibbert: Don't draft (but watch if you need a center)
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    Default Re: Pacers Fantasy Preview from 82games.com

    I like his all-white American born team.

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    I like his all-white American born team.

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    I like that Matt Bonner is apparently better than Troy Murphy. You can not like Troy all you want, but that's a bit silly.
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    I like his all-white American born team.

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    its pretty interesting how many current and former pacers were in the discussion. Including even Diener in the comments section, as many were suggesting he should be third PG over quinn.

    Dunleavy and Brad Miller were on the team, but Murphy, Foster, Croshere, Josh Mcroberts, and Diener were all involved in the discussion.
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    Default Re: Pacers Fantasy Preview from 82games.com

    All-white Pacers vs. the All-white field?

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    oh cool, I can post here now. I wrote the articles below and am very interested in hearing from you guys further regarding my All-White team piece.

    I just introduced myself here:
    http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-...d.php?p=779960

    My main reason for registering and posting:

    Infinite_MAN_force made an observation that I was hoping someone would make when I originally wrote the article back in January.

    In response, I just added the following comment on my site:
    But forget about which players I picked and how many games this theoretical team would win for a second…

    Don’t any of you feel like digging deeper?

    Then let’s talk about those Indiana Pacers…

    -About 12% of the NBA’s current players are white Americans.
    -The Pacers currently have 5 white Americans on their team: Diener, Dunleavy, McRoberts, Murphy, Foster.
    -If they get rid of troublemakers Tinsley & Williams, 35.7% of their roster will be white.
    -86% of the people in Indiana are white, which is well above the U.S. average.
    http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet...t=fph&pgsl=010

    -White Americans playing for the Pacers isn’t a new occurrence, as there are plenty of active guys on other teams who used to play for Indiana (Austin Croshere, Brad Miller, Scot Pollard) as well as former players such as Chris Mullin, Fred Hoiberg, and Reggie Miller (I kid).

    Sooo….

    -Does the Pacers’ management place an emphasis on bringing in white Americans?
    -Does their high proportion of white players lead to higher ticket sales?
    -Has their focus on white players ever resulted in them having a weaker team?
    -If you’re a Pacers fan and you said yes to the last question, does that bother you?
    I would be very interested in hearing your opinions on this topic, so if you have something to say, please comment on the original article (so non-Pacer fans can see the responses as well), which can be accessed here:
    http://www.rotoevil.com/nba/all-white-team

    I look forward to any responses...

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    In this day & age I find this topic next to replusive.

    I had a lot more to say but I think I had just better keep my mouth shut on this one.

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    In this day & age I find this topic next to replusive.

    I had a lot more to say but I think I had just better keep my mouth shut on this one.
    I'm not sure what's so repulsive about it. Speak away.

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    Default Re: Pacers Fantasy Preview from 82games.com

    Can an admin split this stuff off into a new thread? It's not related to the 82games preview.
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    I think it needs to just get dropped here. Racial debates do not belong on Pacers Digest anyway. If anyone picks up where it left off, I'm deleting it all to avoid a mess.

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