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    No. 3 Indianapolis
    Teams: Colts (NFL); Pacers (NBA)

    Median Household Income/Fan Cost Index: $45,548 / $312.19 (26th)

    Teams' combined winning percentage: .500 (17th)

    Playoff Appearances: 1

    Championships: 0

    Ticket prices are middle of the road in Indy, though household income ranks closer to the bottom third.

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    As you can see Indy has been noted as the 3rd worst sports franchise in America by Forbes Mag. Thanks Pacers, Colts and lets not forget the Fever. Its too bad my other favorite city is NO 5 Cincinnati. Oh and a good number of fans say that Lucas Stadium is a Sissy LaLa copy of Dallas's Stadium.

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    No. 3 Indianapolis
    Teams: Colts (NFL); Pacers (NBA)

    Median Household Income/Fan Cost Index: $45,548 / $312.19 (26th)

    Teams' combined winning percentage: .500 (17th)

    Playoff Appearances: 1

    Championships: 0


    Ticket prices are middle of the road in Indy, though household income ranks closer to the bottom third.
    What??
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    It's on the front page of Yahoo.....
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    How can a stadium that was designed prior to another one, be considered a copy?

    Also, how can it be a combined record? (Assuming they're combining the Pacers record and the Colts.) Wouldn't you need to adjust the Colt's record to make it 82 games, then add them together, or adjust the Pacers record and make it worth 17 games?

    Either way, it's going to be way above .500, because of the Colts. It's giving the Pacers over 80% of the bill.

    Either way, it's only for last year's season and any city that has multiple franchises in different sports will be inflated due to the sheer numbers.

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    "Danny Granger is one of the top players in the league. To move Danny, you better get a lot back." - Larry Bird

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    I always love to be the underdog so I would object to this article. The feeling I got win the Colts won the Superbowl was one of the best feelings I had in my life. So if the Pacers can one day take it home I would literally shed a tear. Here is the article nevertheless.

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    Come on now, Charlotte over Indy?

    When you compare the two, Indy teams beat both the 'Cats and Panthers in performance, but it's a better city because the median income and ticket prices are better?

    Okay, that makes sense.......

    Also, do the income figures even take into account the surrounding areas, or just the actual "city." I think most would identify Carmel, etc., as Indianapolis but techincally it isn't.

    Just like Atlanta. The actual city is relatively small, but when you add in Cobb Co./Fulton Co. and the other areas the numbers jump big time. They make up a big portion of the city eventhough they're outside the city limits.

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    Something's wrong here.

    One poll (late last year?) had Indy's fans most satisfied in the nation, due to cheap tickets, low costs for snacks, affordable parking etc., even over Boston with the success of the Red Sox and Patriots.

    Yet now by a different (but related?) set of criteria they are near the bottom?

    It tells you these sort of rankings are absolutely meaningless, whether you are at the bottom or the top.

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    Yeah this poll doesnt' make sense. I do admit we have a lot of fair weather fans in the city, but I don't think that is the Colts or Pacers fault.
    Either way the year the Pacers won 61 games we were voted by ESPN the number 2 sports city in the nation behind only Boston, and that was without a MLB team.

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    Granted, I don't think the highest of the Indianapolis sports fan, but I have a hard time thinking every other market in the US other then Miami and San Diego is a better place for sports.
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    When the Heart of basketball country doesn't support the basketball team, these things happen.

    I wouldn't blame the fans or city for this. The team has been so unwatchable that a football team that was largely ignored by the city for its first 15 years is now substantially more popular. Ah, the irony.

    Again, a reflection of just how bad the Pacers have been - from a business perspective (e.g., an unlikeable team that has been getting worse each year).
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    The article didn't mention anything about support, or ticket sales.

    The criteria were the the overall records combined, playoffs, titles, and median household income/fan cost index.

    The fan cost index was calculated by this:
    It is comprised of four average tickets, as calculated through a weighted formula, two beers, four soft drinks, four hot dogs, parking for one car, two programs and two adult-sized caps.
    http://teammarketing.com/blog/index.html?article_id=10

    Forbes used the criteria set forth by Team Marketing.

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    Wonder why they didn't include any of the Races? Add them in and we vault to the top.
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    When the Heart of basketball country doesn't support the basketball team, these things happen.

    I wouldn't blame the fans or city for this. The team has been so unwatchable that a football team that was largely ignored by the city for its first 15 years is now substantially more popular. Ah, the irony.

    Again, a reflection of just how bad the Pacers have been - from a business perspective (e.g., an unlikeable team that has been getting worse each year).
    Do you attribute the Colts popularity to the failings of the Pacers? Do you think the Colts would be less popular if the Pacers fielded a better product?

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    I think this city is only capable of supporting one successful franchise at a time both financially and mentally.

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    I think this city is only capable of supporting one successful franchise at a time both financially and mentally.
    Unless they are both doing well....

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    Which hasn't really ever happened?

    The best of the Jim Harbaugh years were the years between the Larry Brown ECF teams and the Larry Bird ECF teams.

    I started to wonder the same thing. I mean, in December of 1995 I was able to walk up to the Hoosier Dome ticket window with some coworkers on gameday and buy a good seat to a non-sellout game against the Chargers - a team the Colts played in the playoffs just one month later.

    The fans that jumped on the Captain Comeback bandwagon of 1995-1997 made thier way back to MSA for the Larry-Bird-era Pacers.

    MSA, especially during Larry Brown's last season (also known as The Season we do NOT discuss), was not full.
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    One thing I don't understand, is that it just bases this information on professional franchises. Not to include the Indianapolis 500 and Brickyard 400.

    This survey is just a bunch of crap. I wonder why it doesn't include these things.

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    Because they aren't the same thing as the Pacers and Colts. They happen once a year.

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    Unless they are both doing well....
    Even then financially it would be a huge strain on most people to support a good Pacers team and a good Colts team.
    The morale might be better, but one of those two teams would still be lacking in attendance.

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    I think this city is only capable of supporting one successful franchise at a time both financially and mentally.
    I don't believe that's true. In fact, any time in the past when Indy franchises were successful, they have been wildly popular. Perhaps this perception is due to the fact Reggie Miller and Peyton Manning's careers barely intersected. However, in the mid 90's, both the Colts (with Harbaugh who was like a rock star back then) and Pacers were very popular. In 1999 and 2000, both teams were wildly popular. Basically, if the teams are good, they get very good support here.

    As for Indy being a poor sports town, obviously someone is screwing up their calculus instead of using common sense. Admittedly I didn't even read the article...maybe I should do that before a post this....nah.... In any event, Indy is probably one of the strongest sports towns if you consider the size of the city. Motor racing in Indy is huge. Probably the biggest in the nation. NCAA is huge and we have the headquarters. We have a beautiful baseball field downtown....although it is admittedly minor league. BTW, we are probably not big enough to support a major league baseball team. ....But we do have a brand spanking new, very modern NFL football stadium (in fact 2 of them at the moment) and one of the best NBA stadiums in the country. We have a long history of basketball in this state and even a movie to document that fact. Yes, Indy is a small market with a low cost of living, but not a bad sports town.

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    Colts still never sold out consistently in the Harbaugh years. We had blackouts locally all the time. Even if they were supported in the community, people still didn't buy tickets consistently.

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    I live an hour away and still like going to sporting events in INDY when I can. I think there is a great selection of sporting events to choose from for the size of the city. We are fortunate really.

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