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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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  • Rules for PD KL 2

    PD KL 2 RULES

    NOTE: Unless specifically addressed, all other Gametime rules (waiver
    pickups, trade deadline, etc.) will apply.

    League Rules & Procedures:

    OWNERS:

    Team owners are required to log onto the site on a daily basis. There are times when life will call us away from being able to check in. If an owner knows in advance that he will not be able to check in, he should post a notice, either on the Sports.ws site or on the Pacers Digest Trash Talk board. Team owners that repeatedly fail to log onto the site daily or post a notice of their absence will be in risk of being replaced.

    ROSTERS:

    Teams will retain 9 players from their current year's roster, to carry
    over to the following season. A team may protect an additional player
    however for each additional player, the team will give up a draft pick,
    beginning with its 1st roundd pick. A team keeping 10 players will forfeit
    its 1st roundd pick, a team keeping 11 will forfeit its first 2 rounds and
    a team keeping all 12 will forfeit its first 3 round draft picks. In
    order to retain an additional player a team must have its original draft
    pick - it can't swap a draft pick acquired in a trade to keep an
    additional player.

    Carryover rosters will be determined by the team's lineup for their
    final regular season game.

    If a team receives an additional draft pick in a trade, that draft pick
    will be considered one of the team's protected players for the
    purposes of the draft - for each team the sum of draft picks and protected
    players must equal 12.

    Playoff teams will be allowed to adjust their rosters without penalty -
    however any roster changes made during the playoffs will not be
    eligible to be included in the following year's protected list.

    Players who have announced their retirement after the current year and
    are dropped by teams eliminated from playoff contention are ineligible
    for pickup off waivers. These players are, however, eligible to be
    traded.

    TRADES:

    Offseason trade activity will begin August 1 and conclude when owners
    submit their protected list to the commissioner. Until the site opens,
    trades will be validated through three steps:
    1) One of the participating owners sends the trade to the commissioner
    via e-mail
    2) The other participating owner sends a confirmation e-mail to the
    commissioner and
    3) The Commissioner replies to both owners confirming the trade.

    Once the site opens, trades will be announced through a Trade thread on
    the trash talk page.

    Owners should provide the commissioner with an e-mail address which
    will allow them to receive attachments as the protected list will likely
    be sent via spreadsheet with players in alphabetical order. This does
    NOT need to be shared with anyone else, or the e-mail used in your
    profile on the site.

    DRAFT:

    Draft Order will be determined in the following manner:

    1) Regular season W-L record

    2) Regular Season average team score

    3) W-L record in close games (give the guy with the
    most heartbreakers the previous year some sort of consolation)

    4) Beyond that, we'll think of something - maybe an e-mail rock, paper,
    scissors (don't laugh - it works!)

    This draft order will be maintained for each round of the draft - if
    you select 5th in the 1st round you'll select 5th in each successive rd.

    Teams will be sent a list of "protected players" - players ineligible
    to be drafted because they're already on a team - via e-mail at least
    two days prior to the start of the draft.

    Each team will have 15 minutes to make their selection - with just
    three rounds we should be able to complete this draft within 2-3 hours.

    Owners unable to participate in the draft live may submit a preference
    list to the commissioner. The length of that list is up to the owner's
    judgement but the longer the better.

    Owners not present at the draft will not be given the full 15 minutes
    for their pick but will be skipped - IOW, if you're not logged onto the
    site, we won't wait 15 minutes to skip you.

    In order to prevent delays, teams that did not participate in the draft
    (made no picks) will have players not selected by other owners
    inserted into their roster at the end of the draft.

    TEAMS:

    Due to Gametime site rules there must be an even number of teams. If an
    owner drops out we will try to find a new owner to take over that
    team, rather than throwing the players into a pool to be drafted.

    This will simulate the NBA where you generally buy a team. We will try
    very hard to have no 'bots but there are no guarantees. Keep in mind
    that right now dual ownership of teams is allowed - even if we start with
    a 'bot we may be able to plug a real person in there later.

    If we decide to expand by adding a new team, the new team will be able
    to select their 9 players, as they wish, from unprotected players, with
    the exception of newly drafted rookies. They will then proceed to the
    regular draft, selecting 1st (in essence, they can select 10 players
    before anyone else picks). Beginning with this first pick in the regular
    draft rookies are eligible for selection. This is VERY open to
    discussion but I doubt they'll get a huge advantage since they'll be mainly
    taking players nobody really wants.

    If there are two or more new teams an expansion draft will be held.
    This expansion draft will be held on a thread on the league's Trash Talk
    Board. Draft order for the Expansion Draft will be determined by an
    e-mail "rock, paper, scissors." That order will be reversed in the regular
    draft (the team selecting 1st in Expansion will select 2nd in the
    regular draft). For Expansion teams ONLY, draft order will be rotated (the
    team picking 1st among expansion teams in the 1st rd will pick last
    among expansion teams in the 2nd rd).

    Expansion Teams will not be considered to be an official "team" until
    after the expansion draft. IOW, no trading of draft picks until that
    time.

    Teams will be able to protect 8 players from the Expansion Draft and no
    more than one player may be selected from any single team.

    SCORING SYSTEM:

    Points = 1
    Offensive Rebounds = 2
    Defensive Rebounds = 1.5
    Assists = 2
    Steals = 2
    Blocks = 2.5
    Turnovers = -1.5
    Personal Fouls = -.5
    Technical Fouls = -1

    This is the same system currently in use in the ABA Fantasy league -
    and seems to be generally accepted. However we can discuss this as long
    as it's finalized prior to the first date for submission of Protected
    Lists.
    Last edited by Jose Slaughter; 08-21-2008, 02:37 AM.

  • #2
    Re: Rules for PD KL 2

    A couple things.

    1. We have to get a better name for this league! Any suggestions?

    2. The rules posted above are copied from the ABA Keeper League, thank you commissioner Displaced Knick. These rules have worked out very well for us over the years & if you have any questions I'm sure there will be a lot of team owners on here that can help you out.

    Thanks

    James

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    • #3
      Re: Rules for PD KL 2

      how will the first draft where we pick the 9 players be organized? name from a hat?

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      • #4
        Re: Rules for PD KL 2

        Actually our first draft will be 12 rounds, just like any fantasy league.

        The order for the first draft will be determined by the computer on the Sports.ws site.

        Round 1 is random - round 2 is the reverse of round 1.

        Round 3 is random - round 4 is the reverse of round 3.

        .... and so on & so on.

        Each odd numbered round is random & the round directly after it is in reverse order.

        The draft the following year will be just 3 rounds with the order determined by winning percentage.

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        • #5
          Re: Rules for PD KL 2

          I just thought about this one. It isn't a written rule, but it should be.

          Daily participation is required

          I'll bring this up again in just about every post, e-mail & PM I send out, so be prepared.

          The reason dates back to our first season. We had some owners that didn't check in daily to manage their team. They missed out on waiver wire pick ups, players from the free agent pool, trade offers & adjusting their lineups to cover injured or slumping players. Needless to say their teams suffered & they lost interest & bailed on their team as well as the league.

          An owner that fails to check in everyday hurts the league more than their team.

          These type owners will be replaced.

          As a matter of fact, I am going to add this to the offical rules.

          EDIT: This is now part of the rules section, posted above.

          OWNERS:

          Team owners are required to log onto the site on a daily basis. There are times when life will call us away from being able to check in. If an owner knows in advance that he will not be able to check in, he should post a notice, either on the Sports.ws site or on the Pacers Digest Trash Talk board. Team owners that repeatedly fail to log onto the site daily or post a notice of their absence will be replaced.
          Last edited by Jose Slaughter; 08-21-2008, 02:40 AM.

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          • #6
            Re: Rules for PD KL 2

            When is the draft? Maybe that's a dumb Q.
            You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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            • #7
              Re: Rules for PD KL 2

              The plan is based on when the site opens.

              1. Site opens

              2. All teams signs up

              3. Commish's expanded powers vote passes

              4. Draft begins

              After the site opens it all depends on how long it takes everyone to sign up. The vote to expand the commish powers will take 24 hours. After that I'd like to start the draft within about a day, 2 at the most.

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              • #8
                Re: Rules for PD KL 2

                For a name, how about:

                The League of Extraordinary Gentleman. And LoneGranger33.
                Read my Pacers blog:
                8points9seconds.com

                Follow my twitter:

                @8pts9secs

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                • #9
                  Re: Rules for PD KL 2

                  Originally posted by JayRedd View Post
                  For a name, how about:

                  The League of Extraordinary Gentleman. And LoneGranger33.
                  That is so funny.

                  I was talking to my boss about naming our league today, he didn't come up with anything but I had almost the same thought as Jay.

                  Mine was The International League of Extraordinary Gentleman

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                  • #10
                    Re: Rules for PD KL 2

                    Is that because I'm only ordinary or because I'm not a gentleman, because neither one of those things is ****ing true.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Rules for PD KL 2

                      We still have 5 members of our league who have not viewed this thread.

                      Once the site opens, I'll send out the league number & password to those that have read the rules.

                      The rest of the guys will get another PM that will require them to read this thread before I will give them the info. I don't want guys signing up to play that don't have an understanding of what is required of them.

                      Thanks

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                      • #12
                        Re: Rules for PD KL 2

                        ok , just checking in , reading everything.. sounds good

                        "Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

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                        • #13
                          Re: Rules for PD KL 2

                          Now I still need to hear back from Boris D & Millertime.

                          AesopRockon, thanks fo rchecking in.

                          We are now at 16 with 2 MIA's
                          Last edited by Jose Slaughter; 08-31-2008, 04:48 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Rules for PD KL 2

                            I am in this one i believe right Jose? Draft time might be tricky for me but evening are best this upcoming weekend is no good. I will work around with times as much as I can.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Rules for PD KL 2

                              Originally posted by Newman8r View Post
                              I am in this one i believe right Jose? Draft time might be tricky for me but evening are best this upcoming weekend is no good. I will work around with times as much as I can.
                              You won't have a problem with the draft.

                              We'll have a 24 hour draft clock. With the contingency list & the extended draft clock you shouldn't have any trouble making your picks.

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