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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

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Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Do you think Danny Granger will have his number retired by the Pacers?

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  • Do you think Danny Granger will have his number retired by the Pacers?

    I believe if he keeps up his incredible pace he will go down as the 2nd greatest Pacer behind Reggie Miller. the Lakers had a chance to draft him and was disappointed when they didn't but I'm glad you guys have him and hes not in the WC.


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    Re: Do you think Danny Granger will have his number retired by the Pacers?

    Way, way, WAY too early to be asking this question. Check back in about 6 years or so.

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      Re: Do you think Danny Granger will have his number retired by the Pacers?

      Probably not. Danny's cool, but I'm not sure he's anything more than a quality starter. And the more I think about it the more uneasy I am about the load of money we're probably getting ready to throw his way. (Hoping for a reasonable deal.)
      You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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        Re: Do you think Danny Granger will have his number retired by the Pacers?

        Originally posted by SoupIsGood
        Probably not. Danny's cool, but I'm not sure he's anything more than a quality starter. And the more I think about it the more uneasy I am about the load of money we're probably getting ready to throw his way.
        He has star qualities in his game and his defense is underrated. you are right that hes a quality starter at this point but he has sky high potential offensively and defensively. maybe I just like the guy a lot.

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          Re: Do you think Danny Granger will have his number retired by the Pacers?

          Originally posted by LakerTaz View Post
          He has star qualities in his game and his defense is underrated. you are right that hes a quality starter at this point but he has sky high potential offensively and defensively. maybe I just like the guy a lot.
          No I think you're right on about that. Now will he have his number retired? That just depends what he does from here. If he gets any better he is on the fast track to superstardom.

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          • #6
            Re: Do you think Danny Granger will have his number retired by the Pacers?

            Too soon to be talking about it. Personally I don't see Granger with the team long enough to have his number retired.

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            • #7
              Re: Do you think Danny Granger will have his number retired by the Pacers?

              Originally posted by Newman0r
              Too soon to be talking about it. Personally I don't see Granger with the team long enough to have his number retired.
              Thats unlikely IMO. Pacers have shown they can keep there star players through out.. like Reggie Miller. they are to invested in Danny Granger's game.

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              • #8
                Re: Do you think Danny Granger will have his number retired by the Pacers?

                Depends on the impact and length of his tenure here. Also, you don't need to be disappointed that you didn't draft him when you got Bynum, who has more potential at a more important position. I have a feeling you'll be just fine with him as opposed to Granger.

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                • #9
                  Re: Do you think Danny Granger will have his number retired by the Pacers?

                  Thing is I have loved Granger since his college days. not the same with Bynum who didn't even go to College.. i like Granger more.

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                    Re: Do you think Danny Granger will have his number retired by the Pacers?

                    Granger also never asked Vujacic to "throw me the ****ing ball".

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                      Re: Do you think Danny Granger will have his number retired by the Pacers?

                      And I thought the 2009 draft thread was too early! A lot has to happen for a player to have their number retired (multiple allstar appearances, playoff excellence, contending for a championship)

                      I'm glad Danny didn't wind up in LA. Talk about an MJ-Pippen one two punch!
                      Last edited by 2minutes twowa; 08-13-2008, 09:48 AM.
                      Turn out the lights, this party's over!

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                        Re: Do you think Danny Granger will have his number retired by the Pacers?

                        Am I really reading a thread with this title right now?


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                        • #13
                          Re: Do you think Danny Granger will have his number retired by the Pacers?

                          Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                          Way, way, WAY too early to be asking this question. Check back in about 13 years or so.
                          Editted to more accurately reflect the total number of years Granger would need to even come close to reaching Reggie's career stature. Until he has atleast 10 years in, let's not even discuss this matter. Like Hicks said, it's Waaaaaaaaaaaaay too early to be discussing this.
                          Originally posted by LakerTaz View Post
                          Thats unlikely IMO. Pacers have shown they can keep there star players through out.. like Reggie Miller. They are too invested in Danny Granger's game.
                          How'd you come to that conclusion?

                          Danny's only been in the league 3 yrs. He couldn't have made more than what...???...$6-9M w/the Pacers to date, and he's contracted to make just over $5.6M through the 2010 season. At the most we're talking $14M and that's a big stretch. It's not like the (est.) $118M contract they paid JO. The money aside, have I mentioned he hasn't even been named an All-Star yet? How much of an investment could the Pacers possibly have made in him thus far that they couldn't recoup or consider going in another direction with another player?

                          Give it time. I'm sure Danny will do good things throughout his career, but it's way too soon to debate this issue now. Danny just hasn't proven himself to be that type of player who commands the big bucks let alone is ready to even consider placing him among the Pacer greats...yet.
                          Last edited by NuffSaid; 08-13-2008, 10:31 AM.

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                            Re: Do you think Danny Granger will have his number retired by the Pacers?

                            NO.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Do you think Danny Granger will have his number retired by the Pacers?

                              Too soon to tell.

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