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Jared Lorenzen Should be Our Starter

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  • #16
    Re: Jared Lorenzen Should be Our Starter

    Originally posted by Indy View Post
    Yep, I agree with Adam on this, if Peyton isn't ready to go within the first five weeks we are in trouble.

    We should have signed Pennington if this is the case. He's no world beater, but he's miles better than anything else we have and he's more than capable of winning games with the talent that would surround him.
    But why in the world would Pennington want to come here for a 3 game gig (which would be the absolute most games he'd play).

    In Miami, he has a strong chance to be the starter all year, but if he came here it would be inevitable that he would be going back to the bench the moment that Peyton was healed. That's not the ideal situation for him nor the Colts.'

    No good quarterback is ever going to come here because it's a 100% certainty that you're going to ride the pine all season. That's why Sorgi is the best we can do. If I'm Pennington, I'd much rather want to go to Miami and have a chance to start all season while reviving my career than be a 3 game rental in Indy. And if I'm the Colts, I'm not going to shell out 11.5 mil (which is what Mia gave him for 2 years) just so he can be a 3 game rental. If Manning can't play at the start of the year, we're just going to be stuck with what we have for those first 3 games or however long it takes him to get back. Hopefully that doesn't happen, but that's a risk you take when you put all of your eggs in one basket like the Colts do with Peyton (which I support 100%).
    Last edited by Sollozzo; 08-12-2008, 12:18 PM.

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    • #17
      Re: Jared Lorenzen Should be Our Starter

      Originally posted by Adam1987 View Post
      Have you looked at our schedule? If we start out 2-3 there is no way we are going to the playoffs. We would practically have to win out in order to win the division.

      After 5 games our schedule is:

      @ GB
      @ Ten
      NE
      @ Pit
      Hou
      @SD
      @Cleve
      Cin
      Det
      @Jax.
      Ten

      To win the division we need to go 13-3, at worst 12-4 (assuming you have the tie breaker over Jax. If we start out 2-3 or 3-4 with that schedule, there is absolutely no way that is happening.

      Even if we're healthy on day 1, winning the division this season with that schedule will be harder than winning it in any of the previous 5 years. And if we are healthy, I think we will win it again. But if we start out 2-3, I think you can kiss it good bye with that beast of a schedule.

      We need to start out 5-0. Gotta take care of Chicago and Minnesota, then beat Jacksonville at home, and then take care of Houston and Baltimore before we go up to Green Bay.
      Wow, that is a nasty schedule!

      Without Peyton, you will not beat Minnesota, Jacksonville, or Houston. That is just my guess. I wouldn't worry though, Peyton will be back for the season opener.

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      • #18
        Re: Jared Lorenzen Should be Our Starter

        Yeah, if we have a losing record after the first five games, then we're not making the playoffs. Going 7-4 / 8-3 for that last stretch would probably be what we should hope for.
        You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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        • #19
          Re: Jared Lorenzen Should be Our Starter

          We aren't going to have a losing record after 5 weeks
          Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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          • #20
            Re: Jared Lorenzen Should be Our Starter

            Originally posted by Suaveness View Post
            We aren't going to have a losing record after 5 weeks
            If Manning plays we won't. If he plays, then we go 5-0.

            But if he isn't able to play at the beginning.......

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            • #21
              Re: Jared Lorenzen Should be Our Starter

              The season starts in a month against the BEARS. I do not care if we have a losing record for the first five weeks of the season. I want our team to be on a role come playoff time. I am sick of winning in Sept; only to lose in January. Remember the Chargers last year!!

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              • #22
                Re: Jared Lorenzen Should be Our Starter

                Originally posted by Jonathan View Post
                The season starts in a month against the BEARS. I do not care if we have a losing record for the first five weeks of the season. I want our team to be on a role come playoff time. I am sick of winning in Sept; only to lose in January. Remember the Chargers last year!!
                Dude, have you not looked at our schedule?

                Tell me how we can have a losing record after 5 games and still get into the playoffs with that schedule.

                No, I don't think that will happen. I think Peyton will be fine and that we'll be the same Colts we always are. But with surgery like that, anything is possible. All I'm trying to say is, we need a healthy Peyton from day 1 if we want a 6th straight South title.

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                • #23
                  Re: Jared Lorenzen Should be Our Starter

                  I think everyone needs to remember not to take to much from the pre-season. We never play very well this time of year.

                  Come week one with or without Payton behind center we will still have one of the best defences in the league that specializes in extreamly hard hits and forcing turnovers. To go along with this D we will have one of the best running attacks in the NFL.

                  This alone will get us through the start of the season. But thats not it we also have Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, Dallas Clark and a young Anthony Gonzalez that is coming into his own paired with one of the best O-lines in the league.

                  Lorenzen or Sorgi we would be fine. But the fact of the matter is Payton is the smartest, hardest working QB ever to grace the football field. As soon as he gets the go ahead he will be ready.

                  Everyone should breath and except the fact that this team is stacked and ready to reclaim there place at the top of NFL.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Jared Lorenzen Should be Our Starter

                    Originally posted by Indy View Post
                    Yep, I agree with Adam on this, if Peyton isn't ready to go within the first five weeks we are in trouble.

                    We should have signed Pennington if this is the case. He's no world beater, but he's miles better than anything else we have and he's more than capable of winning games with the talent that would surround him.
                    This statement tells me he will be back and healthy. Polian would have gotten someone more of a longterm solution if he thought Payton would miss significant time. There's no reason to worry until he doesn't get back for the preseason game August 24th.
                    Turn out the lights, this party's over!

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                    • #25
                      Re: Jared Lorenzen Should be Our Starter

                      I like our running game, but I wouldn't call it one of the best in the league. Not yet anyway. Maybe it improves w/ our newfound RB depth and less O-line injuries. And while our defense is nice, I think we saw last year that it's only something special when we've got a healthy Freeney. We'll see--if everyone is healthy (Peyton, Dwight, Marvin) this could be a special year for the Colts.
                      You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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                      • #26
                        Re: Jared Lorenzen Should be Our Starter

                        You can't compare Marvin's injury with Peyton.

                        First off, there are two completely different stresses put on the knee. Second, we don't know which bursa sac was injured in both players. You have many bursa sacs, especially in the knee. A bursa sac keeps the ligaments from rubbing on the bone. Think of it like a jelled sac that is under a band. When your joint moves, it moves the ligament as well.

                        The way Marvin uses his knees and the way Peyton do just aren't comparable, and neither is the stress levels.

                        You can't say, "Well, it took Marvin this long so it should take Peyton this long." It just doesn't work that way, not only this this injury, or these two different players, it's like that for any injury.

                        Each person's body responds differently even if they occured the exact same injury, and all the other variables were the same like size, and the way they moved their body. Or I guess would be a better way is if the same person had the exact same injury twice, it would heal differently each time, and not necessarily slower the second time.

                        I'm in no way, shape, or form a doctore and trying to diagnose Peyton. He could very well be out beyond openning night. I'm just saying you can't use Marvin as a measuring stick.
                        Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Jared Lorenzen Should be Our Starter

                          I say keep giving Lorenzen plenty of PT through the preseason and see how he does. If he continues to play well and Peyton doesn't get back, then I'd give him a shot to start in the interim. Otherwise, Sorgi it would be.

                          First off, I obviously hope/expect Manning to be back. Second, I've never liked Sorgi. However, the protection against Carolina was awful and IIRC that was starting to show in the latter portion of last year, too. So unless the group gets it act together, it will be tough going for whoever's back there.

                          Defensively, I'm still concerned about our D-line depth and our personnel inside. Hope injuries to key players there are minimal (IOW Freeney), previous injury recovery quick, and young guys come together.

                          Schedule appears brutal. Unimpressive preseason not a historic cause for concern. Can't wait for opening day.
                          I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                          -Emiliano Zapata

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                          • #28
                            Re: Jared Lorenzen Should be Our Starter

                            I myself would stick with Sorgi. I would also even prefer Quinn Gray before Lorenzen. Peyton will be back and fine though so discussing this is almost mute.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Jared Lorenzen Should be Our Starter

                              Peyton still hasn't practice and may miss game 1 according to CNN Sports.


                              Originally posted by CNN Sports
                              http://bb.zoomtown.com/news/read.php?ps=3304&rip_id=c61aaf609cde7a57baa6fe122567ef5e&_LT=HOME_LARSDCCLM_UNEWS

                              CNN - Peyton Manning may not play in Week 1
                              Monday, August 18, 2008 5:35 PM EDT




                              TERRE HAUTE, Ind. -- As the Indianapolis Colts training camp wound down to its final few days last week, Peyton Manning was an apparition. He was the ghost of Peyton Manning.

                              The team said he was in Terre Haute, site of Rose-Hulman Institute, where camp was held, but beat man Mike Chappell of the Indianapolis Star said he saw Manning but once, on a golf cart one day. "I can confirm that Peyton still has all his limbs,'' Chappell revealed.

                              Manning wasn't going to practice that day. Rather, he has spent much of the summer getting treatment for his recovering left knee on his own -- somewhere -- and, from what I hear, has been absolutely wearing out the physical therapist, trying to get more and better flexion in the area of his surgically repaired knee.

                              Manning had the infected bursa sac near his left knee removed July 14, and he hasn't practiced in the five weeks since. It is one of the cloudiest injuries in sports. I am writing about it because I think there's a chance -- oh, maybe a 30, 35 percent chance if I had to guess -- that the removal of the infected bursa sac could prevent Manning from playing in the Colts' opening game against Chicago on Sept. 7. Would I bet on it? Not a chance.

                              Manning has started every game in his 10-year career -- 160 in the regular season and 14 in the playoffs, second in NFL ironman-quarterback history to Brett Favre -- and the Indy QB told me a couple of years ago consecutive games mean a tremendous amount to him. In fact, when I suggested to Colts center and Manning confidant Jeff Saturday that there was a chance Manning might miss the opener, he started laughing. "Peyton?'' he said. "Are you kidding? He'll be playing. It'd take a broken leg to keep him out.''

                              The bursa sac isn't that. Rather, it's a small sac of fluid beneath the kneecap that cushions and lubricates the knee when it moves. When Manning was at the Manning Passing Camp in Louisiana sometime between July 10-13, he began feeling feverish. "A raging fever,'' is what club president Bill Polian called it. Manning returned to Indianapolis, had the fever traced to an infection in the bursa sac, and had the little pillow of fluid removed at an Indianapolis hospital on the 14th.

                              "This was not an injury,'' Polian told me. "This was an illness. It was an infection. Fluid in the bursa sac got infected. But there is absolutely nothing mechanically wrong within the knee.''

                              That's right -- except, according to WebMD.com, the knee needs this sac to keep the areas around the bones lubricated. Not that the removal of the sac injures the knee per se, but it takes away part of the liquid that keeps the knee lubricated. Removal of the sac exposes the knee to more bone-on-bone friction than if the bursa sac had not been removed.

                              After surgery, the knee was immobilized -- for two weeks, I was told -- and the infection treated with antibiotics to be sure it was totally eradicated from Manning's system. "Then the incision had to heal,'' said Polian. "That's fine now. Now he begins -- he's begun -- range-of-motion exercises. He's in that process now. Now he's at the point where Mother Nature has to take over. He's close to optimum range of motion now. He's on schedule, with no bumps in the road.''

                              At the time of the injury, it was announced as a four-to-six-week injury. Today is the five-week anniversary of the surgery, and Manning practicing is not imminent. If we get a week from today and Manning hasn't practiced, I'd say that's a bump in the road.

                              Here's the big problem, as I see it. Polian says the doctors are not going to clear Manning unless they're sure he can maneuver in the pocket and has the leg strength to play an NFL game. Now, if Manning spent the second half of July (or more) with the leg immobilized, with a little longer to wait before normal activity could be resumed, the resulting muscle atrophy would take a while to get over. Thus, as of Sunday, Manning was working hard to make sure he get could full range of motion and normal flexion in the knee.

                              I asked Tony Dungy about Manning, and he said: "I had mono my second year with the Steelers [as a player], and until those blood tests came back normal, they weren't going to let me back out on the field. Even though I felt good, I had to do what the doctors said. Same thing here. We will do what the doctors say with Peyton. We are going to be cautious. When he comes back, whether it be Week 4 or 5 of the preseason, or Week 1 or 2 of the regular season, we don't know yet. But we'll be sure to bring him back healthy.''

                              So, I asked, are you saying it's possible he wouldn't be ready for the opener?

                              "It could be,'' he said. "Because we're not going to bring him back too fast.''

                              Dungy said he doesn't anticipate Manning missing the opener. But how would he know? He hasn't seen Manning practice.

                              "He's been able to exercise his arm,'' Polian said. "Even when he was bedridden at the beginning after surgery, he was throwing the ball. But it's been tough on him. He watches practice tapes, reads the practice scripts. In due time, this too shall pass. But like I told him, 'Let's be sure when you come back, you come back for the rest of the year.'"

                              The separation from the team, said good buddy Saturday, "is killing Manning. He's the ultimate competitor. He's one guy who just loves to prepare, and not being out here is just killing him.''

                              Everyone here says all the right things about Jim Sorgi. He's been preparing for this for five years, and he's learned under Manning and coordinator Tom Moore, and he knows what to do, and the players believe in him and all that. But let's be real. He's a one-year college starter. He's never started an NFL game. In six series commanding the team in its first three preseason games, Sorgi has led zero touchdown drives. The Bears are coming to town for the season opener, and they'll try to blitz Sorgi out of Lucas Oil Stadium.

                              No, it's not an ideal situation for these Colts. They have to do the right thing and make sure Manning heals properly. But they'll be challenged severely by the Jaguars this year; it won't be a sixth consecutive division-title cakewalk. Every game's always important, but maybe even more so this year, with so many vital players -- Manning, Dwight Freeney, Bob Sanders, Marvin Harrison -- being injury questions opening the season.

                              I got this feeling here that if Manning isn't ready, the Colts really won't play him opening night. But I'll tell you this: I'd hate to be the doctor or the coach or the club president who tells Peyton he's not playing opening night in his new stadium, and his 174-consecutive-start streak is going by the boards. Manning will flip. My guess is he'll move heaven and earth to be out on the practice field next week, so he can show the Colts enough in five or six practices to start Sept. 7.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Jared Lorenzen Should be Our Starter

                                Damn, I'm starting to think it's 60/40.

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