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    You don't get ANY credit off the cap. At least he still has potential as an expiring contract in 2 years if we keep him, which could save a full year of his salary.
    i think count means the buyout figure which would be paid the remaining 3yrs. if we bought tinsley out for 90% of the $21mil he is owed there would be a minimal savings applied to each year left on his deal.
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    i think count means the buyout figure which would be paid the remaining 3yrs. if we bought tinsley out for 90% of the $21mil he is owed there would be a minimal savings applied to each year left on his deal.
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    You don't get ANY credit off the cap. At least he still has potential as an expiring contract in 2 years if we keep him, which could save a full year of his salary.
    atc is correct. In a buyout situation, the contract salary is replaced on the cap by amount of the actual buyout, distributed as the current contract is proportioned. In Tinsleys' case, his contract pays out roughly 31%, 33%, 35%. Using atc's 90% scenario, we'd save $675 this year, $720 next, and $765 in the final year. The $18mm buyout number that I've always thought would get the job done (only a 9.5% discount rate) would save $1,125, $1,200, and $1,275.

    BTW...if you're looking at his value as an expiring contract in two years, then you will most certainly not save a full year of his salary. In fact, you probably won't save a penny of his salary. In order for an expiring to have value, you have to be willing to take back a longer contract, so you'll be paying that money to someone else, who may or may not be worth it.

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    Patience. The guy would be much more tradeable if management would just shut up about their plans for him and let the process run its course.
    I hear this a lot, and I think it's utter nonsense. This implies that the people who work in nba front offices have access to no more information or have no better understanding of a player's ability or situation than the average member of a fanbase or internet forum. Anything we're hearing, those guys have probably known for quite some time.

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    The fact is, we will never receive any huge value for the guy unless we are willing to take on a bad contract. That is, of course, the goal of all NBA teams these days: get rid of your bad contracts and pick up somebody's talent. Nobody, of course, can do this without taking on some burden the other team with the talent wants to jettison.

    The Pacers will have to be patient, and let the need for a starting PG arise in the NBA from some team that believes it has a chance at the playoffs. Until then, stash the Tin man, but make sure he stays in playing shape. We won't be able to move him until some other team gets desperate for a starting caliber point guard. .......Which the tin man is, regardless of how much he is despised by the team's fans.
    OK...let's remove all of the off-court issues that contribute to this fanbase's disdain for Jamaal. You are still left with a player who is a career .395 shooter, including .307 from beyond the arc (yet still sees fit to launch almost three 3's per game). You are still left with a player who has missed 30, 42, 40, 10, and 43 games in the past five seasons. Actual starting caliber point guards in the NBA are able to stay on the court more than just sporadically.

    Nobody's going to get desperate and make a move for Jamaal. The only teams that will make a move for JT are ones who can say "what the hell? It's worth a shot." Jamaal will be acquired as a disposable luxury, not as a player crucial to that team's immediate or long-term success. The deals that the Pacers will be able to make at the All-Star break (or not be able to make) will be largely the same deals the Pacers can make (or can't make) this summer.

    If Jamaal doesn't play, then he's two years away from seeing his value increase, and that would only be as an expiring contract.

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    There's a difference between sitting him for three years and sitting him until the ASB.
    True, in much the same way that there's a difference between hitting yourself in the head with a hammer once and hitting yourself in the head with a hammer three times.

    I am not saying the Pacers have to do something today (though it's a thought.) I'm simply saying that I think the amount of damage that have JT on the roster at the start of this season is being underestimated, both within and without the lockerroom. I also think the temptation to play him, at some point, due to injuries or just with the thought that it might "bump his value a little" will be greater than any of us want to admit.

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    I think Miami could be a realistic trading option, as the available point guard options are dwindling fast. I do think that any teams with point guard needs will look at Memphis first, for one of their younger players. I agree that the reality is probably that we'll have to buy Jamaal out. Even sitting him on the bench means nothing if he has another off-court incident while still being on the Pacers roster. There needs to be a clean break.

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    I think Miami could be a realistic trading option, as the available point guard options are dwindling fast. I do think that any teams with point guard needs will look at Memphis first, for one of their younger players. I agree that the reality is probably that we'll have to buy Jamaal out. Even sitting him on the bench means nothing if he has another off-court incident while still being on the Pacers roster. There needs to be a clean break.
    I hadn't even taken that into consideration. I just simply think that it would be a bad thing to have someone be on your team, but not on your team at the same time. Questions will continually be asked. How do you keep the guy in shape and ignore him at the same time.

    How many players would look at him and wonder "would they do that to me if they decided they didn't like me?"

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    As expected......according to this blurb in the Miami Herald, it looks like the Heat are going to explore the other likely avenues of options for filling their PG needs:

    http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/co...ry/645426.html

    By Barry Jackson from the Miami Herald

    The Heat, which inquired about free agent center Jake Voskuhl, has talked internally about pursuing one of Memphis' point guards (such as Kyle Lowry) but does not want Jamaal Tinsley's Indiana contract (three years left, $21 million) and knows the Knicks reportedly will bring Stephon Marbury to camp and not cut him. . . The Heat asked about Ron Artest before he was dealt to Houston, a Kings official said, but the Kings did not want Dorell Wright in a sign-and-trade and other unappealing pieces.
    I still think that the most realistic trade ( but clearly not the best one ) that we can get out of the Heat would be a Tinsley+Rasho for Banks+Blount deal......but this report from the Miami Herald isn't surprising since the Grizzlies does have a platoon of cheap and young PGs that have yet to prove themselves.

    My guess is that some trade involving Crittenton or ( likely ) Lowry will eventually happen between the Heat and the Grizzlies.....probably involving Dequan Cook either going to the Grizzlies or some other 3rd team.
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    As expected......according to this blurb in the Miami Herald, it looks like the Heat are going to explore the other likely avenues of options for filling their PG needs:

    http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/co...ry/645426.html
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    I just posted in the Trades thread this deal with Miami:

    Blount
    Haslem

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    Tinsley
    Foster
    Baston

    I think this is a realistic trade scenario. I think the Grizzlies are going to be asking way more than Miami has for one of its three PGs. The Heat's roster goes from "nearly untouchable" to "no one wants" in a hurry.

    I don't think Memphis would be interested in Cook what-so-ever. And I don't think a future first would cut it... Most likely trade between Memphis and Miami I would think to be:

    Jaric
    Lowry

    for

    Haslem

    But would you rather do the trade with us or the trade with Memphis. You would get rid of Blount for Foster, which I think is a huge upgrade (especially in their contracts). Tinsley and Jaric have almost identical deals.

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    Maybe I am just holding out hope.

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    Gorgin Dragic just signed with the Suns. He was their second round draft pick this year so Tinsley in Phoenix is out of the question.

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    I just posted in the Trades thread this deal with Miami:

    Blount
    Haslem

    for

    Tinsley
    Foster
    Baston

    I think this is a realistic trade scenario. I think the Grizzlies are going to be asking way more than Miami has for one of its three PGs. The Heat's roster goes from "nearly untouchable" to "no one wants" in a hurry.

    I don't think Memphis would be interested in Cook what-so-ever. And I don't think a future first would cut it... Most likely trade between Memphis and Miami I would think to be:

    Jaric
    Lowry

    for

    Haslem

    But would you rather do the trade with us or the trade with Memphis. You would get rid of Blount for Foster, which I think is a huge upgrade (especially in their contracts). Tinsley and Jaric have almost identical deals.
    The Grizzlies could always try to pawn off Jaric on the Heat....but the Heat would turn that down for the very same reason why they would turn down an offer for Tinsley....cuz his contract does not expire until the 2010-2011 season.

    As for Dequan Cook being involved in a trade....I don't see why the Heat could not swing a 3-team trade that would send out Cook ( to some other team other then the Grizzlies ) and then get back Lowry. Cook is a decent prospect if not solid rotational Guard that is young and can score that could attract some team.
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    The Pacers should put Tinsley on Ebay and take the best offer.

    There has to be a team that needs a starting PG or a good backup and has a fat 2 year worthless POS contract to give us to cut a year off Tinman's contract. That's good enough, because times a wasting.

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    Didn't Portland stash Darius Miles away forever? I hadn't heard his name until this year in quite some time.

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    Didn't Portland stash Darius Miles away forever? I hadn't heard his name until this year in quite some time.
    They eventually bought him out with 2 years left on his contract. As to whether he was sitting on the bench or stayed away from games, I do not know.

    Unfortunately, the difference is that the Blazers have an Owner that has no problem throwing $$$ away.....so buyout wasn't a real concern for them.
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    I had heard that Mile's had or has sever knee problems. The Blazers PTB were looking for him to retire. I think he wanted to give it one more shot.

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    The Blazers sent Miles to numerous knee specialists and they all said he had a career ending injury. I might be mistaken but I think they were allowed an extra roster space because of it.

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    Just because we're talking about Darius Miles, this was in SI last month:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...les/index.html


    A onetime phenom, Miles trying for unprecedented comeback

    Posted: Thursday July 17, 2008 12:05PM; Updated: Thursday July 17, 2008 12:24PM - Ian Thompson


    LAS VEGAS -- Darius Miles apologized. Could he pause our interview for a moment? His cousin was waiting in the reception area. And then Miles ran across the casino floor of Caesars Palace without limp or hitch.

    Miles had just arrived in Las Vegas on Monday to audition for the Mavericks at a private workout the following morning. By all accounts, it went well.

    "He was much better than I thought he would be,'' a member of the Mavericks' camp said. "On a scale of 1 to 10, I was expecting him to be 6. But he was a good, solid 8.''

    The 6-foot-9 Miles was exhausted by the 90-minute workout. At the end, however, he jumped flat-footed and touched the top of the backboard square.

    "I'm physically 100 percent,'' Miles said in his first interview since attempting a comeback unprecedented in this salary-cap era. "I'm not in [basketball] shape, but healthwise and bodywise I'm 100 percent. I've got the explosion, I can move.''

    Such details matter because Miles is trying to become the first player to return from an injury that was deemed to be "career-ending'' by the NBA. If he were to sign a new contract and play in 10 or more games this season, his $9 million salary would go back on Portland's books -- though his return would not affect the Trail Blazers as badly as has been advertised.

    Two years removed from his last game, Darius Miles has been working out for teams in hopes of returning next season.
    Miles underwent microfracture surgery to repair his right knee in November 2006. He hasn't played since, and he was released by the Blazers in April after the "career-ending'' judgment was made by an independent medical examiner appointed by the NBA and the players' union.

    In recent weeks, Miles has had workouts -- ranging from two hours to less than 30 minutes -- with the Nets, Celtics, Suns and Mavericks, all of whom controlled the terms while asking Miles to compete against other players. For his part, the 26-year-old Miles is looking to join a postseason contender after having never made the playoffs during his six seasons on the court.

    "I feel like I'm a starter in this league -- on a lot of teams I really should be a starter,'' he said. "But I would love to go to a playoff team to come off the bench.''

    Already assured of making $18 million over the next two seasons from his guaranteed Blazers contract, Miles is seeking a minimal contract with an option to become a free agent after the season -- gambling that he will rejuvenate his value on the court this year. A crucial aspect of any new contract would provide his next team with an exclusion should he reinjure the knee, in which case the team could release Miles without paying the remainder of his salary.

    Several factors are working against Miles' comeback. He must miss the first 10 games of next season for violating the league's substance abuse policy. The news of his negative drug test was revealed to every team in a letter from the league, and the information was leaked to The Oregonian. Based on the length of his first-time suspension, teams are assuming that Miles tested positive for a performance-enhancing drug.

    In addition, Miles has a reputation for being a poor example to young teammates. "I've heard horror stories about him,'' said an NBA head coach who has never worked with Miles. His notoriety is based on a locker-room confrontation with coach Maurice Cheeks with the Blazers, to whom he had been traded by the Cavaliers in 2004 in belief that he couldn't coexist with LeBron James. (The Clippers traded him to Cleveland two years after drafting him with the No. 3 pick in 2000.) Over his final year with Portland, he was permitted to rehab at the Blazers' facilities but not when his fellow teammates were there.

    "I wouldn't label him as a bad guy,'' said an assistant coach who has spent time with Miles in the NBA. "I've wondered if he loves to play. Because he was such a prodigy in AAU, he was always handled with kid gloves, so in the NBA he couldn't take somebody always being on him. But I don't think of him as a 'cancer'-type person in the locker room. I don't think he has the personality to have that kind of impact on his teammates.''

    Miles doesn't understand his negative reputation.

    "When I was with the Clippers, we were always family-oriented,'' said Miles, who was a 19-year-old phenom when he joined the Clippers. "My mom would cook and almost the whole team would come over. I used to throw fight parties or Super Bowl parties and invite the players. Some would come, some didn't.''

    While Miles disagrees that he has set a bad example, he admits that he needs to play on a veteran team for the first time.

    "Coming back into this league, I've got to be on a team where I look up to the players,'' he said. "I've been on the good side, where everything is good for you -- fans, shoe commercials, movie deals, my jersey in the top five. Then I'm on that side where I'm just labeled this criminal, this thug, this bad guy -- 'He can't be coached.' I've been on both sides and it's funny, I don't know how I went from that side to this side. I don't have a [criminal] record. I don't do anything out of the ordinary. I never had problems with my teammates. It's crazy how you get labeled.''

    Before he had played a game for the Clippers, Miles made the cover of Sports Illustrated's NBA preview alongside his idol, Kevin Garnett. Miles had been viewed as the next versatile star. But he wasn't forced to confront his potential until he was released by the Blazers. Was he going to live off his $60 million in NBA earnings? Or was he going to try to play again?

    Darius Miles appeared on the SI cover before his first NBA game, in 2000.
    "The truth is, [Maurice] Cheeks was the best coach I had because he was the first person who told me I had way more [potential] than I was giving,'' Miles said.

    In April, he moved to Phoenix for three months of twice-daily workouts with former Suns trainer Robin Pound, who scheduled the first workout at 7 a.m. to test Miles' commitment. While Miles needs to lose weight, he looks stronger than the skinny teenager who was seen as the future of basketball.

    "[Robin] told me, 'You don't want to have no regrets,' '' Miles said.

    One executive at the Las Vegas summer league who has been following the details of Miles' comeback predicts that he'll be playing in the league next year; another calls it a "no-brainer'' that a team will sign him.

    If he is unable to come back, the Blazers will enter next summer with $24 million or more to spend on free agents. Miles' return for at least 10 games would cause his $9 million salary to go back on their books, but it wouldn't kill their hopes of recruiting a star because they would still have close to $15 million to offer to a max free agent. They could pry open more cap space by making a trade or two, and with so much young talent already -- including Greg Oden, Brandon Roy, LaMarcus Aldridge and rookie Rudy Fernandez -- the Blazers will be strong regardless of Miles' outcome.

    Should Miles play 10 games and reinjure the knee, the Blazers could apply for a reinstatement of the career-ending exception and retrieve the $9 million in cap space.

    "There's no pain, no swelling,'' Miles said. "Say if a team signs me tomorrow: I'm going directly to that state, buy me a house and start working out with them all the way up to training camp. I'm just hoping it's a playoff team.''

    Did basketball come too easily for him? If Miles used to take his talent for granted, he doesn't anymore. He is working hard to recover his gifts.

    "I just had a son, he's six months old, and I want my son to see me play basketball,'' Miles said. "I want to get that adrenaline rush. I don't see myself getting it nowhere else but in a big old arena with a bunch of people, and your heart beating. But it's not a scary beating; it's a hyped kind of beating. You know what I'm saying?''
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    OT....but the only comment that I have about Miles is that he's a real decent in the Virtual world....specifically on NBA 2k8 player whenever I use him when I play offline with the Blazers. Too bad that I won't be able to use him any more.
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    Nice read about Miles. I really hope his comeback goes well.

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    According to Hoopsworld:
    http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9851

    Indiana Pacers are looking to bring in another big man and were rumored to be talking seriously with Elton Brown. Brown was also rumored to be on the Memphis Grizzlies radar, but it seems their interest is wavering. The Pacers are still holding out hope that they can trade Jamaal Tinsley and his remaining three-years and $21 million.

    The Tinsley part is, of course, old news, but I'd never heard anything about no Elton Brown until today. Apparently, dude's a D-League stud. Also, he is already familiar with Eddie Gill, so that should help him transition here well.

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    already familiar with Eddie Gill, so that should help him transition here well.
    Are you saying being able to sit at the end of the bench waving a towel?

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    Brown in listed at 6'9 250lbs. I do not know much about his game. Is he a bruiser?

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    http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Elton-Brown-5040/

    From Draft Express:

    January 16, 2008
    Last season, Elton Brown was an NBADL All-Star, and lead his team to the championship game. This year, he is scoring more points and rebounding the ball better, while averaging 20 and 10, and yet he has still never received a call-up. After returning from the Pan-American Games, he joined the Charlotte Bobcats summer league team, but came in heavier than they would have liked, causing a lot of scouts to once again question his conditioning. He played himself into good enough shape to make the Los Angeles Lakers training camp roster before being cut at the last minute in favor of Coby Karl, and is now back for his second stint with the Colorado 14ers.

    Elton had a strong first quarter, hitting all 3 of his shots and grabbing 5 boards, but he only took one shot in the second quarter. He did manage to get to the free throw line 6 times in the first half (converting on 5 of them) but consistent aggressive can be a problem for him, especially when teammates arenít getting him the ball. He finished with 19 points and grabbed a monstrous 18 rebounds, 5 of which were offensive.

    Brown was guarded most of the game by Cory Underwood and Kevin Pittsnogle. Listed only 10lbs apart, Brown is probably closer to 35lbs bigger than Underwood, and used his body to consistently walk him under the rim and easily lay it in over him or, defensively, to push him out of rebounding position allowing him to get to the ball easily. Against Pittsnogle, Brown used his superior foot speed to break him down off the dribble, and in one play drove down the lane splitting defenders and smoothly kissed it off the glass.

    Big or small, Elton is one of the best players in the league at using the rim as his ally. He has a variety of step across and crafty reverse layups off the glass that allow him to get his shot off against almost anybody. In the D-League this allows him to score a lot of points, but itís questionable whether or not this tactic would be as successful against the bigger and more athletic players in the NBA.

    Regardless, his numbers and talent are undeniable, and if he could just shake the knock against his work ethic and conditioning, he might actually receive that elusive call-up.

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