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  • #16
    Re: RealGm.com Tinsley Trade Options

    For all of you that think that trading Tinsley+Shawne to the Suns for Diaw is decent.....you have to consider this.......despite moving Tinsley...the cost would be too much for a mediocre player like Diaw....not only was he averaging 9ppg/5rpg playing 29 minutes under a similiar offensive system with a far superior PG that is KNOWN to significantly inflate a players stats......Diaw is owed a total of $14 mil more in guaranteed $$$ over 4+ seasons then Tinsley is owed and has an additional year in his contract.

    Trading Tinsley for Diaw would hurt us financially....which I didn't think was even possible with the sheer # of Long-term Contracts that we have.

    In truth....when I look at all those trade suggestions.....most of them are nice...but unrealistic.
    Last edited by CableKC; 08-07-2008, 12:54 AM.
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    • #17
      Re: RealGm.com Tinsley Trade Options

      Another gem from Andrew Perna. I hope he was joking on #6. No way in hell the Kings would trade one of those guys for our ****.

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      • #18
        Re: RealGm.com Tinsley Trade Options

        If we somehow landed David Lee as part of a Tinsley trade, I'd be elated. He's one of my top 5 favorite non-Pacers.

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        • #19
          Re: RealGm.com Tinsley Trade Options

          DC...

          Is a Tinsley, Murphy, Williams for Diaw, Barbosa trade be realistic....

          I would love to have Barbosa on this team I really don't like eating Diaw's just to move Tinsley. This would also set us up to make another trade to thin out our guards....

          When it comes to trades I think that the view of non-pacers fans are vital. Due to the Pacer Juice we all drink....Destorting our view of our players. Perna was on the Indy star board all the time and he is a very big pacer fan.
          Last edited by esabyrn333; 08-07-2008, 08:51 AM.

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          • #20
            Re: RealGm.com Tinsley Trade Options

            Wow! He starts out with a "bold" statement. One that we've known on this board for months.

            After having a conversation with Pacers general manager David Morway on Tuesday morning, I strongly believe that Indiana will do everything within their power to trade Jamaal Tinsley prior to the 2008-09 season

            Tinsley will be traded, he has enough talent to play in this league. There are 2 things, however, that I think kills any potential trade.

            1. With an already overflowing lineup, I strongly doubt the Pacers do any deals that bring in more players than are going out.

            2. The only large salary contracts that will even be considered, are those that are expiring. For that reason, a deal for Diaw is highly unlikely.

            I still think Miami is where JT will end up. Not sure what the exact pieces will be, but both teams needs seem to match up nicely. Also, JT had some of his best games against Miami, so they know the skills he has.
            Turn out the lights, this party's over!

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            • #21
              Re: RealGm.com Tinsley Trade Options

              Originally posted by Raoul Duke View Post
              Another gem from Andrew Perna. I hope he was joking on #6. No way in hell the Kings would trade one of those guys for our ****.
              Originally posted by 2minutes twowa View Post
              Wow! He starts out with a "bold" statement. One that we've known on this board for months.

              After having a conversation with Pacers general manager David Morway on Tuesday morning, I strongly believe that Indiana will do everything within their power to trade Jamaal Tinsley prior to the 2008-09 season
              What do you guys have against Andrew Perna? Lay off. He obviously has more clout than most of us. He actually spoke to David Morway about the Pacers, when is the last time one of us did that? And we didn't know that the Pacers were going to trade Jamaal. Some people still believe he'll be bought out or just be told to sit out. I'm glad we have a Pacer-oriented writer on a fairly popular website. I don't know understand what you guys have against him.

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              • #22
                Re: RealGm.com Tinsley Trade Options

                Yeah, I like the Orlando one the least - all the other ones sound good to me


                Trade #1
                Tinsley goes to Cleveland for Eric Snow
                Snow hasn’t played since February, but in reality Indiana wouldn’t need him on the court. He has an expiring contract, always a valuable trade chip, and could provide the Pacers with a much-needed veteran presence. Sure, they’d have four point guards under contract (Snow, T.J. Ford, Jarrett Jack and Travis Diener), but they’d be ridding themselves of Tinsley.

                The Cavaliers are searching for a true point guard, and Tinsley could be that player for the next three years at a relatively low price. Cleveland won’t have to pay him all that much and would only be giving up Snow in the process. With a number of guards choosing Europe over the NBA, Jamaal might be one of their top options.

                Trade #2
                Tinsley goes to Miami for Udonis Haslem
                Haslem would provide Indiana with instant help inside the paint, something the team needs despite the presence of rookie center Roy Hibbert in blue-and-gold. The forward’s contract also ends a year before Tinsley’s, and the Heat appear willing to deal him as his name has popped up in rumors since this past season’s trade deadline.

                Miami drafted Michael Beasley in June, and he should step in as the starting power forward from Day One. Haslem isn’t large enough to switch over to center, so he’s partially expendable to Pat Riley. Tinsley would immediately become the team’s best option at point guard, even if Jason Williams returns unexpectedly. Rookie Mario Chalmers is NBA ready, but he shouldn’t be playing a ton right off the bat.

                The Heat might ask for something else, whether it is a future pick, another player or for Indiana to take a bad contract back in such a deal. As long as it means Tinsley is out and Haslem is in…they should probably take it.

                Trade #3
                Tinsley and Shawne Williams go to New York for David Lee and Malik Rose
                The Pacers add two big bodies, with Rose having an expiring contract. Lee could come off the books next summer as well if Indiana decided he didn’t fit well in Jim O’Brien’s scheme. The deal allows them to get rid of both Tinsley and Williams, who has had his fair share of issues in the past as well. The size would be welcomed in Indiana, as would Lee’s work ethic.

                New York executive Donnie Walsh might want to stay away from these two players, having gotten to know them rather well in Indiana. However, if Stephon Marbury is off the roster this season, Tinsley would team nicely with Chris Duhon for a two-headed point tandem. Lee has been rumored to not be a favorite of new coach Mike D’Antoni, making this idea a plausible one.

                Trade #4
                Tinsley goes to Orlando for Brian Cook and J.J. Redick
                Cook can play inside for the Pacers, or never last through camp on a bloated Indiana roster. Redick would provide a nice outside threat, something that O’Brien counts on more often than Stan Van Gundy. A fresh start on a new team could help the former Duke sharpshooter jumpstart his NBA career.

                The Magic could use a different look at point guard, and Tinsley could provide that change while sharing the load with Jameer Nelson. Redick seems to have had one foot out the door since he was drafted and Cook isn’t needed with a ton of big men under contract in Orlando. Such a move would relieve the pressure placed on other players to handle the ball while Nelson is on the bench as well.

                Trade #5
                Tinsley and Williams go to Phoenix for Boris Diaw
                Diaw doesn’t have the most appealing of contracts, but he would fortify the interior while allowing the Pacers to shrink their roster in the process. Leandro Barbosa could be an option in a trade with the Suns as well, but with a ton of perimeter players capable of playing the two and three on the roster, I doubt Morway and Bird would want to create even more of a logjam.

                The Suns are looking for someone to lessen the strain on Steve Nash, and both Diaw and Barbosa appear to be their most likely trade chips this offseason. Steve Kerr would love to rid himself of the $9,000,000 per year that Diaw will earn in each of the next three seasons as well.

                Trade #6
                Tinsley, Travis Diener and Stephen Graham go to Sacramento for Shelden Williams, Quincy Douby and Francisco Garcia
                The Pacers would add a nice jump shooter in Garcia, a new third point guard in Douby and a banger in Williams. Under the rules of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, a multiplayer deal would likely have to be executed. That is, unless Indiana wants perennial loser (in the win column) Shareef Abdur-Rahim.

                Beno Udrih is Sacramento’s only “established” point guard, which might scare some fans. Tinsley would step in right away and could split time right down the middle with Udrih, while Diener brings a different look than Douby as a third option. Of course, the “pending” Ron Artest trade that would bring Bobby Jackson to Sacramento could prevent the Kings from pulling the trigger on a deal for Tinsley.


                http://pacers.realgm.com/articles/14...ch_of_a_taker/

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                • #23
                  Re: RealGm.com Tinsley Trade Options

                  The Snow trade is the best one.
                  This space for rent.

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                  • #24
                    Re: RealGm.com Tinsley Trade Options

                    Originally posted by rexnom View Post
                    What do you guys have against Andrew Perna? Lay off. He obviously has more clout than most of us. He actually spoke to David Morway about the Pacers, when is the last time one of us did that? And we didn't know that the Pacers were going to trade Jamaal. Some people still believe he'll be bought out or just be told to sit out. I'm glad we have a Pacer-oriented writer on a fairly popular website. I don't know understand what you guys have against him.
                    I have nothing against him personally or professionally. I just thought the article was a little dated. Maybe realgm waited too long to post it or I didn't notice it until now, but it's kinda old news that the Pacers will not buy out Tinsley or have him on the roster this year.
                    Turn out the lights, this party's over!

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                    • #25
                      Re: RealGm.com Tinsley Trade Options

                      Originally posted by esabyrn333 View Post
                      DC...

                      Is a Tinsley, Murphy, Williams for Diaw, Barbosa trade be realistic....

                      I would love to have Barbosa on this team I really don't like eating Diaw's just to move Tinsley. This would also set us up to make another trade to thin out our guards....

                      When it comes to trades I think that the view of non-pacers fans are vital. Due to the Pacer Juice we all drink....Destorting our view of our players. Perna was on the Indy star board all the time and he is a very big pacer fan.
                      you didn't ask me but i'll answer.

                      i don't really see either team being incredibly interested. the suns would add $3mil per year in payroll for the next three seasons. the pacers ultimately would take on an additional $9mil given diaw and barbosa are signed for four more years.

                      out of what andrew suggested, the only one based in reality is the diaw trade. if we could do the CLE or the NYK deal it'd be amazing. but it won't happen. no one is going to trade an exp. contract straight up for tinsley or a package like rose/lee for tinsley and shawne. there are three people the knicks would be interested in trading for tinsley: jeffries, ZBo and possibly jerome james.
                      Last edited by avoidingtheclowns; 08-07-2008, 10:37 AM.
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                      • #26
                        Re: RealGm.com Tinsley Trade Options

                        Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                        The Snow trade is the best one.
                        I'd prefer the Lee/Rose one.

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                        • #27
                          Re: RealGm.com Tinsley Trade Options

                          Originally posted by 2minutes twowa View Post
                          Wow! He starts out with a "bold" statement. One that we've known on this board for months.

                          After having a conversation with Pacers general manager David Morway on Tuesday morning, I strongly believe that Indiana will do everything within their power to trade Jamaal Tinsley prior to the 2008-09 season

                          Tinsley will be traded, he has enough talent to play in this league. There are 2 things, however, that I think kills any potential trade.

                          1. With an already overflowing lineup, I strongly doubt the Pacers do any deals that bring in more players than are going out.

                          2. The only large salary contracts that will even be considered, are those that are expiring. For that reason, a deal for Diaw is highly unlikely.

                          I still think Miami is where JT will end up. Not sure what the exact pieces will be, but both teams needs seem to match up nicely. Also, JT had some of his best games against Miami, so they know the skills he has.
                          I don't think they'll limit themselves to expirings on large contracts. I would guess they'll take anything that either leaves them neutral (like a Gadzuric) or slightly better financially, regardless of talent involved. However, I think they'll be willing to take something longer with more money, provided two things:

                          1. It doesn't put us over the tax this year, meaning that we won't take back more than an additional $1.9mm in salaries for the 08-09 season.

                          2. They believe the player we get back will fill a hole on this team, and be a contributor to its success.

                          A Tinsley/Williams for Diaw deal would keep us under the tax, however it's difficult to gauge whether the Pacers FO would think Diaw fit the second requirement. I, personally, am not a fan of Diaw. His numbers are not befitting of his contract, and I have always suspected that he gets a disproportionate amount of benefit from both the Phoenix system and Steve Nash. However, others whose opinion I respect note that Diaw's contributions don't always show up in the stats, and that he could be a very nice piece to our big man rotation. Therefore, I suppose it's a possibility, at least from our POV.

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                          • #28
                            Re: RealGm.com Tinsley Trade Options

                            Originally posted by avoidingtheclowns View Post
                            if we could do the CLE or the NYK deal it'd be amazing. but it won't happen. no one is going to trade an exp. contract straight up for tinsley or a package like rose/lee for tinsley and shawne.
                            Especially when the guy in charge of the other team has been around Tinsley for 7 years and knows everything about him.

                            I don't think the Suns would ever do Diaw/Barbosa for Tinsley/Murphy + whatever else. Murphy does not fit them well at all and he makes a lot of $. I think the Suns would rather just keep Diaw and get something better in return for Barbosa alone rather than do that trade.

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                            • #29
                              Re: RealGm.com Tinsley Trade Options

                              Originally posted by 2minutes twowa View Post
                              I have nothing against him personally or professionally. I just thought the article was a little dated. Maybe realgm waited too long to post it or I didn't notice it until now, but it's kinda old news that the Pacers will not buy out Tinsley or have him on the roster this year.
                              I'm not sure that "dated" is really what happened here. I think Andrew was trying to put out some trade scenarios (which he clearly noted were his creation and not rumors), but the segue was a little unclear. I think he was trying to leverage the relatively recent interview with Morway, and it's pronouncement that they won't buy him out to start the article. I think what he meant was that the buyout was off the table, and the Pacers FO appeared confident that a trade would occur, so here are some ideas that he could see.

                              Unfortunately, I think in an effort to be concise, he inadvertently edited himself down to a "Mr. Obvious" statement. This is why I never try to be concise.

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                              • #30
                                Re: RealGm.com Tinsley Trade Options

                                I have to believe that deals are on the table. With every pg that goes to Europe JTs stock rises. He did avg 8.5A last year that has to be playing on coaches/gms mind. Artest has been nearly problem free since going to Sac. so someone will take a chance for 2 years and have an expiring to trade if things don't work out.
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