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    Join the bandwagon, Bob! Help bring him home!

    http://www.indystar.com/articles/9/155214-4169-179.html

    Go get him.

    Tracy McGrady, that is.

    Assuming he becomes available, which likely will be the case after the Orlando Magic's frustrated star meets with team owner Rich DeVos on Friday and shares his thoughts on his long-term commitment to that organization. McGrady, who has three years remaining on his deal, has an opt-out clause at the end of next season, and the Magic are not going to risk losing him the way they lost Shaquille O'Neal -- for absolutely no compensation.

    So how about Indiana?

    If the Pacers want to make it happen badly enough -- and they should want to make it happen pretty badly -- they will find a way.

    Let me say it again:

    Go get him.

    "We could make it work, absolutely," Pacers CEO Donnie Walsh said Tuesday. "I have spoken to somebody in their organization, and I sensed there was interest there. What they're telling me is, there's a good chance he's going to be traded. So, yeah, a player like that out there, we're definitely going to be interested."

    How to do it?

    McGrady's salary cap number is around $14.5 million. The Pacers would have to send Orlando players whose combined salaries fall within 15 percent of that number. So it's like this: Start with Al Harrington ($6.3 million), who will get traded in the media no fewer than 50 times this summer. Then it's an issue of deciding who that second player might be.

    Jonathan Bender ($6.5 million)? That would be my preference, but it might not be Orlando's choice.

    Ron Artest ($6.2 million)? That would be hard to swallow, but for McGrady, it's a deal I'd make, however grudgingly.

    It's a price worth paying to have the Shaq-and-Kobe of the East.

    (And no, I don't think the Magic would happily take Austin Croshere and his big contract off Walsh's hands. If we're going to talk about trades, let's talk about ones that might work for both teams.)

    "Once everybody agrees on the principals, our two guys for their one, you can make it work," Walsh said. "It wouldn't be that hard."

    For his part, McGrady, who is friends with Jermaine O'Neal, has mentioned Indiana as one of the teams he'd be willing to join as part of a sign-and-trade deal. The only caveat for the Pacers: Making sure McGrady would be willing to sign a long-term deal to remain here. Indiana isn't going to mortgage its future for a one-year rental.

    Now, keep in mind, you can throw just about anybody's name out there -- George Mikan, for instance -- and Walsh will say, "Sure, it's always worth following up with a phone call." And rumors, big ones, are born.

    But this is not one of those.

    The Pacers are interested in McGrady, and should be interested in McGrady. And Walsh made it clear Tuesday, he and Larry Bird are willing to move anybody except O'Neal if it means making a deal that catapults them past Detroit.

    "Is anybody untouchable?" Walsh was asked.

    "No," he said. "No one. Except Jermaine. He's our franchise player."

    Not Artest?

    "No," Walsh said.

    Not Bender?

    "No."

    Last summer, the Pacers had a lot of base-year compensation players, making a blockbuster deal virtually impossible. That's not the case this season, at least not after July 1. If there was ever a time for the Pacers to cash in on their incredible depth, this is it.

    McGrady is not the only huge name being floated out there. How about Kobe Bryant? If his legal troubles are resolved, he is going to be somewhere other than Los Angeles next season. And there aren't many teams who have more to offer than the Pacers.

    (If this happens, please remember, you heard it here first. If it doesn't, well, never mind.)

    We've also heard a lot about Golden State center Erick Dampier, although that talk has been cooling lately.

    McGrady, though, is the one that makes the most sense. All he gives them is everything they need. An outside scorer, another option that takes pressure off O'Neal, a perimeter player who can create shots against the league's increasingly stingy defenses, and an obvious heir to Reggie Miller.

    Yeah, he has some baggage. But it's more of the carry-on variety. Move him to a good situation where the team is winning and he's not required to score 40 a night, and he's reborn.

    The Pacers know they are close now, closer than they originally thought after watching the Pistons defeat the Lakers. But they're not going to yield to the temptation to stand pat, to have a Colts-like offseason. Indiana did nothing at the trade deadline this season, and watched as Detroit made one of the most dramatic, season-altering deals ever made when they picked up Rasheed Wallace.

    Now, it's the Pacers' turn.

    The name is McGrady.

    Go get him.

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    Is this the Kravitz way of softening up Pacers fans? Sounds like if a major move that makes sense can be made....

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    MAKE THE MOVE BABY! HAHHhAHAHAH OH MAN THAT'D BE GREAT! MY 2 FAV PLAYERS ON THE SAME TEAM! Watching them every night would be so sick! Hah! I wonder if tmac will still sign my basketball jerseys of the magic if he comes here? LOL

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    A couple of things:

    "We could make it work, absolutely," Pacers CEO Donnie Walsh said Tuesday. "I have spoken to somebody in their organization, and I sensed there was interest there. What they're telling me is, there's a good chance he's going to be traded. So, yeah, a player like that out there, we're definitely going to be interested."
    Wait, Will Galen, what is Donnie doing talking to Orlando? Isn't that Bird's job?


    "Is anybody untouchable?" Walsh was asked.

    "No," he said. "No one. Except Jermaine. He's our franchise player."

    Not Artest?

    "No," Walsh said.
    Take special note all you doofusses who refused to acknowledge that Ron might be traded.

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    Well, I see that Bulletproof beat me to my post.

    Ahem, I would have made it without calling everybody doofusses, but then again that is why he is a poster some of you love to hate.

    Needless to say I almost went into Cardiac Arrest when I read with quotes that Ron Artest was not untouchable.

    I've been reading Donnie for 19 years now & this is the first time I've ever seen him this way. I don't know if it's he wants that title before he goes or if it's Birds influance or whatever it is, I've never seen Donnie not talk about trades without at some point in time saying (we are always listening, but you don't make a trade for the sake of trades).

    Damn Walsh, he's going to go & force me to actually compliment him before he retires.

    BTW, Will, I didn't really want to point this out but since B.P. did I figure what the hell. If Bird is in total charge of player movements why is Walsh talking with Orlando.

    I've never said this before & I am still somewhat shocked that I feel the need to say it it now, but I actually think there may be something big happen this summer.


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    Needless to say I almost went into Cardiac Arrest when I read with quotes that Ron Artest was not untouchable.
    I bet you did.

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    I guess Artest is gone now because Donnie always tells the media how it is...
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    I guess Artest is gone now because Donnie always tells the media how it is...
    Is that what you read, because that's not what I read. I didn't see anything there that said "Ron is gone."

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    I guess Artest is gone now because Donnie always tells the media how it is...
    Is that what you read, because that's not what I read. I didn't see anything there that said "Ron is gone."
    I was being sarcastic...
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    Wait, Will Galen, what is Donnie doing talking to Orlando? Isn't that Bird's job?
    Sorry Bulletproff and Peck, I guess my writing is as bad as my speaking because it's obvious you don't understand what I've been trying to say.

    I have agreed that Donnie and Bird work closely together. My only difference is I say it's Bird who has last say in personnal matters.

    Is that clear to everybody? Is that clear to you Bulletproof?

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    I nearly fell off the...place I was seated when I read Kravitz column. The headline didn't mean much but when he quoted DW . I had to start looking for the link to this site because I just knew it was an extension of the DW thread from last night.

    Donnie NEVER talks that openly so it tells me 1 of 2 things. EIther a deal has already been done or we are being softened up for a big blow (loss of Ron). Oh wait, 3rd thing might be DW softeneing up another team that might be listening and he wants to spur them on a bit.

    But you couple these comments with Ron blowing off the exit meeting and I gotta think something is about to happen.

    And you can forget about Kobe coming here. His wife hasmade it abundantly clear she wants to stay in LA. And we all know who hold the upper hand there now don't we? So The Clippers, not the Pacers, will land Kobe.

    As to why DW would be talking to Orlando, why not? He's said that he and Larry would talk together. Well? If DW wants to talk to Orlando, Larry is just a cell phone away. I would assume LB has either been on vacation or in Chicago scouting. In either case something big WILL BE HAPPENING THIS SUMMER. As I said in another thread. We no longer have to beat Detroit to get to the finals, we now have to BEAT THE CHAMPIONS to get to the finals.


    DW talking so candidly also tells me the apocolypse is upon us.
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    And you can forget about Kobe coming here. His wife hasmade it abundantly clear she wants to stay in LA. And we all know who hold the upper hand there now don't we? So The Clippers, not the Pacers, will land Kobe.
    That's what I'm reading, and I agree.

    As for Ron, blowing off Bird was the wrong thing to do. Bird said he would be fined and that would be the end of it, but Bird is a no nonsense guy. I'm now thinking that Al has a better chance of staying than Ron does.

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    I'm getting excited about seeing T-Mac in a Pacers uniform, I hope they ain't teasing us. The dude is capable of getting a triple double at anytime or dropping 50. If it means getting rid of Ron and Al, I can even deal with that. We'd still have Bender and Freddie. Who knows Bender might reach his potential and Freddie will get better.
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    But would we be able to play defense with the Pistons? We can't lose that because they have shown they have the ability to stop the greatest of offenses (although I still think Kobe's ego had something to do with that too).
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    Actually, T-Mac is the best offender in the league
    Putting him beside JO makes them both consideraby better scorers.
    I dont think the Pistons could handle that.
    Also we would have 2 players considerably better than anyone on the Pistons, so I dont think the Pistons could handle that either.
    Indiana with JO&T-Mac is the team of the present and the future. Multiple rings if it happens.

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    So you consider JO+Tmac better than Shaq+Kobe?

    Ignore the fact that Kobe caused that loss by being completely selfish and taking Shaq out of the game.
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    Ok, plain and simple. Who would you rather package?


    Harrington/Bender
    Harrington/Artest

    Bender's potential of becoming an All Star
    Artest's potential of imploding

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    Geez, I think Kobe could come here. If his wife wants to stay in LA she could do that and let Kobe come here all alone. Right!?!
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    Geez, I think Kobe could come here. If his wife wants to stay in LA she could do that and let Kobe come here all alone. Right!?!
    I think she is going to stay in LA while he goes to Colorado.

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    Sure kobe could come here... after all there's plenty of women... and hotels

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    I'm afraid of another heartbreak. I can't get myself hyped up for this no matter how badly I'd love to.

    With TMac, the Pacers would be frontrunners for the title. They could possibly add a few big men defenders like Brian Skinner or Mark Blount to round out the roster. I'd better stop.
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    If Detroit won the title with defense and the man who is the next greatest defender in the league, I am just very concerned that by giving up on defensive focus and using Ron to get T-Mac, we simply become the Lakers of the East. Who lost this year, by the way.
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    Ok, plain and simple. Who would you rather package?


    Harrington/Bender
    Harrington/Artest

    Bender's potential of becoming an All Star
    Artest's potential of imploding
    I think that Freddie would have to be part of the deal. Orlando will need a SG if they move McGrady.

    As I understand it, Harrington/Bender has been on the table for a while now. Orlando is probably trying to squeeze more out of Indiana and they are still shopping McGrady for the best deal. Indiana will probably not budge unless someone else comes up with a better deal.

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    I know my opinion doesn't count for much, and it is probably a waste of time to read this.

    But I truly believe we need Ron to go to the Finals. I think that he defense in integral in maintaining our own good defense. Trading for McGrady is fine, but giving up on defense is hard to do.

    You do not ever trade defense for offense, especially when he is the DPOY and scares the living hell out of his opponents.

    Yes, you would have to put up with Ron. His lateness, his extreme desire to win. But you know, that isn't a bad thing? Is it worth trading an amazing defensive player because he missed a meeting? I do not think so.

    I know a lot of people think that our team defense can more than make up for Ron. I do not think so. Within all great defense teams are individuals who help to make a lot of difference. Detroit had Prince. SA had Bowen. We have Ron. It is so vital for that person to be there.

    Think about it. Who is going to guard the main player of the other team? Those guys will have field days on us. And this team is not as good defensively as Detroit. So cannot expect to shut people down like they did to Kobe. Imagine if we went to the finals. Who would guard Kobe? Don't you think Ron there would help? I think so.

    Getting better from the perimeter is important. Very important. But losing defense is the last thing we should be doing. Because defense wins championships. Being an offensive team doesn't.

    Now, this doesn't mean I don't think getting Tracy would be bad. I think it isn't worth sacrificing Ron for. If there is some other way, such as a 3 way deal, then I am for it. However, giving up Ron is too much for me.
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    I was thinking about this last night....The only thing that really sacres me about getting Tmac here in Indy?

    It's not the fact that we might have to give up Ron, which I would really hate to see.......

    The one thing I wonder is how will JO and Tracy get along both trying to be "the man" on the team, similar to whats happening with Kobe and Shaq?

    I know they are good friends off court, but when and if the two become teammates and both are looked to as go to guys, how is that going to affect the relationship?

    Maybe I'm worrying for nothing, but I've always looked at JO and Tmac similarly, kinda high maintainence when it comes to their ego.....Not that its a bad thing, but can two of the same kind work together well on the same team?

    I really hope I'm wrong and that we get T-Mac, and are able to keep Ron, and we go on to when the championship. Just that little concern I have in the back on my head......

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