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  • #46
    Re: The restaurant review thread

    Originally posted by Indy View Post
    Best Italian in Indiana is Puccini's Dolce La Vita in Bloomington. I've never been to Mangia. The Italian chains in Carmel are pretty standard and they aren't outstanding but they don't really mess up either.
    Mangia isn't a chain - it doesn't look like much from the outside, but it is rather nice inside.

    The place in Greenbriar I was trying to think of is Amalfias - I think the owners brother runs the Capri

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    • #47
      Re: The restaurant review thread

      Yeah, I was just commenting more on the fact that I hadn't found a real outstanding Italian place yet in Carmel.


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      • #48
        Re: The restaurant review thread

        Originally posted by Indy View Post
        Five Guys is delicious. Bub's is very good too. I could eat either one, but I think Five Guys is cheaper.
        There's not one in Indy, but I prefer the variety of ingredients at Fuddruckers, though just the plain, solid burger is an excellent buy at FG and the fries are better.
        Last edited by rexnom; 07-23-2008, 03:57 PM.

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        • #49
          Re: The restaurant review thread

          Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
          Mangia isn't a chain - it doesn't look like much from the outside, but it is rather nice inside.

          The place in Greenbriar I was trying to think of is Amalfias - I think the owners brother runs the Capri
          Yeah, Amalfi's...the same guy/family does Capri and used to do Arturo's.

          Best deli in town is ....duh....Shapiro's, either one (downtown or Carmel).

          Though I like their Shrimp Cocktail, I don't think St. Elmo's steaks are as good as either Sullivans or Petersons, though it's been years since I've been there.

          Best Barbeque in town is Judge's in Haughville, and GT South's is pretty good, too. Try the corn casserole/bread at Judges.

          Donuts...Longs...with Boynton's surprisingly close behind.

          Pizza...I'm partial to Firehouse in Fishers, but it's a growing up in the '70's pre-fab delivery crust with the funky slice kinda thing.

          Bar food-- Check the avi...Britton has great wings, pretzels, fried mac'n'cheese, and chicken cordon bleu balls....good wraps and sandwiches, too...75 cent Taco Tuesday!!!!

          Italian...I like Capri, and there used to be a place in Nora called Il Gargano that was excellent, but I don't know if it's there anymore.

          ....

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          • #50
            Re: The restaurant review thread

            Originally posted by travmil View Post
            Is that the one right by the trail just past the Brewpub?

            And speaking of The Brewpub, the Beer and Cheese plate is one of my favorite appetizers ever. They make a cheese sauce with one of their beers and give you diffferent types of bread to dip in it. Awesome.
            The bbq chicken sandwich or the Ploughman's Platter That was my favorite place, I probably went there 2 or 3 times a week before I figured out that I had to give up beer.

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            • #51
              Re: The restaurant review thread

              Originally posted by rexnom View Post

              I have yet to find an excellent non-ethnic/traditional place in DC food-wise, which is astounding. There are some good French places and some Italian but do those count?
              Absolutely my thoughts. I have recently been to both Mienyu and Tony and Joe's in Georgetown. I thought Mienyu was pretty decent, but then again I ordered the Afghan 5 course sampler and the wine for each course, it was pretty good but I don't know if it was $75.00 good. Nobody else in my party was particularly enthused about the restaurant though, and it ended up being $500.00 for 5 people. I had a little bit of their salmon as well which was unimpressive: I could season it just as well at home (I love to cook). The decor was very flashy but there was, as you say, not a lot of substance.

              Tony and Joe's was similar. The place tried really hard to cater to the DC elite and its spot on the waterfront is impeccable, but the food tasted like it came from a can. The decor really wasn't all that amazing either, it was more of just the good location. I had like 32 dollar or so crabcakes there that were purported to be "DC's best" and they were okay but pretty meh.

              If you like or want to try West African food the Bukom Cafe in Adams Morgan is really good. I have always had a good meal there and as a white guy in there they act like I am some sort of novelty but in a good way. It gets jam packed on the weekend nights so I usually go there because it gets crazy after work and just eat some good food and shoot the **** with the bartenders.

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              • #52
                Re: The restaurant review thread

                Originally posted by travmil View Post
                Have you tried Capri?
                Good call.......

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                • #53
                  Re: The restaurant review thread

                  For those in the South Pas area. This is a good place to impress someone.

                  http://www.bistrodelagare.com/
                  "They could turn out to be only innocent mathematicians, I suppose," muttered Woevre's section officer, de Decker.

                  "'Only.'" Woevre was amused. "Someday you'll explain to me how that's possible. Seeing that, on the face of it, all mathematics leads, doesn't it, sooner or later, to some kind of human suffering."

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                  • #54
                    Re: The restaurant review thread

                    Originally posted by dcpacersfan View Post
                    Absolutely my thoughts. I have recently been to both Mienyu and Tony and Joe's in Georgetown. I thought Mienyu was pretty decent, but then again I ordered the Afghan 5 course sampler and the wine for each course, it was pretty good but I don't know if it was $75.00 good. Nobody else in my party was particularly enthused about the restaurant though, and it ended up being $500.00 for 5 people. I had a little bit of their salmon as well which was unimpressive: I could season it just as well at home (I love to cook). The decor was very flashy but there was, as you say, not a lot of substance.

                    Tony and Joe's was similar. The place tried really hard to cater to the DC elite and its spot on the waterfront is impeccable, but the food tasted like it came from a can. The decor really wasn't all that amazing either, it was more of just the good location. I had like 32 dollar or so crabcakes there that were purported to be "DC's best" and they were okay but pretty meh.

                    If you like or want to try West African food the Bukom Cafe in Adams Morgan is really good. I have always had a good meal there and as a white guy in there they act like I am some sort of novelty but in a good way. It gets jam packed on the weekend nights so I usually go there because it gets crazy after work and just eat some good food and shoot the **** with the bartenders.
                    The Tony and Joe's review is spot on - those crabcakes might be "DC's best" (that doesn't say a lot...). Thanks for the Bukom Cafe tip. I'm definitely going to try it. I haven't had lots of non-Ethiopian African food so I'll definitely give it a shot.

                    By the way, I think I've seen you mention that your girlfriend is Jamaican, what is your/her favorite Caribbean place in DC? I've been looking for some "go-to" Caribbean places.

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                    • #55
                      Re: The restaurant review thread

                      not to go all euro on your dc ethnic food humpfest or anything, but cafe bonaparte in georgetown is fantastic. i've only been to the sister location (napoleon bistro in adams morgan) once but it seems equally reliable. if you go, try the budapest crepe. marseille is high quality too.

                      there is a kickass lamb dip sandwich at a place called fado just down the street from NPR me and a couple of friends/co-workers have become obsessed with.

                      re: five guys -- sweet unholy mercy, you can literally feel it destroying your heart with each obscenely delicious bite.

                      some of the last few things on my open table account:

                      acadiana is pretty good n'awlins cuisine but pricey.

                      rasika upscale indian. i didn't enjoy what i had but others have enjoyed it quite a bit. i tend to prefer stuff in Adams Morgan.

                      aria trattoria -- meh. it wasn't bad but it certainly wasn't anything special.

                      georgia browns, good stuff. southern influenced comfort food type menu.

                      tunnicliff's tavern solid not all that special.



                      question for DC people: anyone try the belga cafe in eastern market?
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                      • #56
                        Re: The restaurant review thread

                        Belga cafe has a delicious brunch. I haven't tried it for any other meal yet.

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                        • #57
                          Re: The restaurant review thread

                          Just got back from Peterson's.

                          The sesame tuna special was outstanding.......
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                          • #58
                            Re: Your favorite downtown Indianapolis restaurant

                            Originally posted by travmil View Post
                            OK we went for our dinner today. I will say the food was very good. Was it good enough for what our boss paid for it? Probably not. For those that didn't check out the link, the place is an all you can eat brazillian style steakhouse. They grill the meat on a spit and bring it out tableside. They slice it off the spit right onto your plate. They have 15 various kinds to try, and you can try them all. The best cut that I tried was most definitely the leg of lamb, but they also had filet mignon, ribeye, top and bottom sirloin, and two kinds of ribs. We went for lunch, which was $25 per person. The waitress told us that Dinner is $50 but there is no difference, the same food is offered at both times. Atmosphere was great. They decorated very well, lots of hardwoods and modern fixtures, very masculine I guess you could say. Waitstaff was excellent. Great salad bar that came with the all you can eat price. Even though the meal was overall great, I would not say it would be worth $75 for two people ($25 each plus drinks, desert, tip). It certainly wouldn't be worth $100 plus for the dinner hour. I'm glad our boss picked up the tab. It was over $900 for 23 people.

                            I was actually part of the first group to ever eat in Indy's Fogo de Chao. I had a great time. Probably not worth the full price, but damn, I loved the lamb...and the bacon wrapped chicken was excellent...
                            Last edited by Stryder; 07-23-2008, 10:25 PM.

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                            • #59
                              Re: The restaurant review thread

                              Originally posted by MagicRat View Post
                              Just got back from Peterson's.

                              The sesame tuna special was outstanding.......
                              The food is very good, but I wasn't a huge fan of the atmosphere - too stuffy, too formal

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                              • #60
                                Re: The restaurant review thread

                                suprsingly one of the best bbq places I've ever been to is right here in Indianapolis.

                                http://www.squealersbbq.biz/index.php

                                These are the guys who win at Rib America a lot and at other bbq competitions.

                                The bbq is not as good at the restraunt as it is when they are competing, however it is about as good as any place I've been to for bbq.


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