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  • #31
    Re: J.J. to the Pacers, Not a Redickulous Thought!

    If he was a Pacers 2nd round pick... I'd hope he'd make the team. If he made the team, I'd hope he'd get some back up shooting guard minutes like in the 12-15 minute range, against matchups. If he got burn, I would hope he would use his shooting to his advantage in those short stints.

    Otherwise, no thanks. I'd trade Tinsley for him, but I'd trade Tinsely for a ball rack. I'd invite him to camp, if he was a league min. free agent. Thats it, because there are now guys on the team that would play in front of him, at least 3, maybe 4, if you count Grahm.

    I don't hate him, if this was last years team, it would have been nice to have him as a back up shooting guard. I'm still afraid Obie wouldn't have played him last year due to his requirement for at least average defensive ability.

    He is the epitomey of a great college player who doesn't translate at the pro level yet, probably never. I guess he has some hope because of the Kapano factor, but that is it.

    He's the Shawne Respert of this generation.

    You say who?

    Exactly!!

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    • #32
      Re: J.J. to the Pacers, Not a Redickulous Thought!

      In the unlikely event that we did trade for him, could we be the only team in the league to throw out a full American-born white guy starting five?

      Diener
      Redick
      Dunleavy
      Murphy
      Foster

      With Mcroberts as the sixth man. Maybe try and get Brad Miller back. It'd be like Hoosiers.

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      • #33
        Re: J.J. to the Pacers, Not a Redickulous Thought!

        Wow, that was funny. As far as Reddick is concerned I thought he was one of the most complete jumpshooters I have ever seen in College basketball. Some have said he's just a spot up shooter and can't come off screens to catch and shoot and can't shoot a jumper off the dribble. That may or maynot be true in the NBA I really haven't seen enough of him in the NBA to judge that but in college he made a living coming off screens and hitting shots off the dribble. He also had great range and could get his shot off quick if he had to but at the end of the day being 6'4 shooting guard was probably to much for him to overcome considering he's not a great athlete and a defensive liability even though he is a hard worker.

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        • #34
          Re: J.J. to the Pacers, Not a Redickulous Thought!

          Originally posted by HeartlandFan View Post
          Every time I hear his name, I think of this picture:




          But anyways, I don't see Redick contributing here at all. Diener is basically the same thing, but he can actually run the point effectively.
          Turn out the lights, this party's over!

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          • #35
            Re: J.J. to the Pacers, Not a Redickulous Thought!

            Originally posted by King Tuts Tomb View Post
            In the unlikely event that we did trade for him, could we be the only team in the league to throw out a full American-born white guy starting five?

            Diener
            Redick
            Dunleavy
            Murphy
            Foster

            With Mcroberts as the sixth man. Maybe try and get Brad Miller back. It'd be like Hoosiers.
            and we'd pretty much be a sure thing lock in for the first pick in next years draft lol
            If you havin' depth problems, I feel bad for you son; I got 99 problems but a bench ain't one! - Hicks
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            @thatguyjoe84

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            • #36
              Re: J.J. to the Pacers, Not a Redickulous Thought!

              Originally posted by FerengiMiller View Post
              I wrote the article, I am Brent Beck
              Well, that answers the question I was going to ask. Being, who is Brent Beck and why does he think Foster is "under utilized", and why does he think we would trade one of our valuable front court players for a guy like Reddick?

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              • #37
                Re: J.J. to the Pacers, Not a Redickulous Thought!

                Originally posted by Tom White View Post
                Well, that answers the question I was going to ask. Being, who is Brent Beck and why does he think Foster is "under utilized", and why does he think we would trade one of our valuable front court players for a guy like Reddick?
                He's an Indiana boy in his late teens, early 20s. Big Duke fan, but he's too young to have been there when Redick was there, although he might be there now. He's a fan of winning franchises, so he remembers the old Pacers and was impressed with Duke. He hasn't really followed the Pacers much since Reggie retired. He latched onto Reddick as "the next Reggie Miller" when JJ was still in college, because he loved that the guy hit big shots from long range. Chicks aren't the only ones who dig the long ball.

                He's into Trek, which means he doesn't play ball himself. He wants to be a sports journalist, so he's writing articles in his own name in an attempt to build his brand and get writing experience. His articles aren't terribly well-read, so he pushes them out to message boards. He's writing them for free, because if he was getting paid per click he'd want to direct the ad traffic to the site.

                That's all a guess. I'll do research next.
                This space for rent.

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                • #38
                  Re: J.J. to the Pacers, Not a Redickulous Thought!

                  Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                  That's all a guess. I'll do research next.
                  Well, I was off. He's pursuing a career in professional basketball in the player personnel department.

                  http://www.sbnation.com/users/Brent%20Beck

                  http://labs.daylife.com/journalist/brent_beck

                  Wait, he can't be IndyCornrows. That dude already has an account here, plus he wouldn't try to make a case for JJ based solely on his NCAA performance.
                  This space for rent.

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                  • #39
                    Re: J.J. to the Pacers, Not a Redickulous Thought!

                    Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                    He's an Indiana boy in his late teens, early 20s. Big Duke fan, but he's too young to have been there when Redick was there, although he might be there now. He's a fan of winning franchises, so he remembers the old Pacers and was impressed with Duke. He hasn't really followed the Pacers much since Reggie retired. He latched onto Reddick as "the next Reggie Miller" when JJ was still in college, because he loved that the guy hit big shots from long range. Chicks aren't the only ones who dig the long ball.

                    He's into Trek, which means he doesn't play ball himself. He wants to be a sports journalist, so he's writing articles in his own name in an attempt to build his brand and get writing experience. His articles aren't terribly well-read, so he pushes them out to message boards. He's writing them for free, because if he was getting paid per click he'd want to direct the ad traffic to the site.

                    That's all a guess. I'll do research next.
                    Brutally hilarious!! Nice work!

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                    • #40
                      Re: J.J. to the Pacers, Not a Redickulous Thought!

                      He's an Indiana boy in his late teens, early 20s. Big Duke fan, but he's too young to have been there when Redick was there, although he might be there now. He's a fan of winning franchises, so he remembers the old Pacers and was impressed with Duke. He hasn't really followed the Pacers much since Reggie retired. He latched onto Reddick as "the next Reggie Miller" when JJ was still in college, because he loved that the guy hit big shots from long range. Chicks aren't the only ones who dig the long ball.

                      He's into Trek, which means he doesn't play ball himself. He wants to be a sports journalist, so he's writing articles in his own name in an attempt to build his brand and get writing experience. His articles aren't terribly well-read, so he pushes them out to message boards. He's writing them for free, because if he was getting paid per click he'd want to direct the ad traffic to the site.
                      (a)You're rude, I hate Duke, I hate J.J. Redick, and youre gettin near being added to the list (likely not but stop hatin' on me ha). It was just an idea. I came up with it at the beginning of the summer, and yes we have gotten more three point threats and no I dont watch Star Trek. Ferengii is a nickname Reggie has been given by NBA players since he first came into the league because of he similar look to the Ferengi's on Star Trek. (b) Geez louise, don't be so vindictive, did I say the trade was going to happen, no? Half of the idiotic trades most people come up with arent even reasonable or possible. (c) All of you can go date Jeff Foster since all of you are obsessed with having a over 30 glorified rebounder on a team destine for mediocricy because you know nothing about basketball, he is too old for this team and doesn't fit in, we need youth to help build or franchise to win down the road, not guy who are on the downside of their careers. (d) I played basketball and am in college and no longer am involved. (e) I don't want to be a sports journalist. (f) I put my real name with my work because I am not a wimp hiding behind some fake name, because you likely, are a hater to most everyone, always negative. (g) I love the Pacers, I never miss a game, I love every player they get, and I am always thinking into the future. You think I didn't watch when Reggie left? Cool, keep thinking that.



                      I apologize for posting the Redick article, jesus christ. Thanks for the warm welcoming...

                      PS: I made the case for Redick because of his "POTENTIAL" not his NCAA performance. Get your facts straight, Anthem, and lay off the Hatorade.
                      Last edited by FerengiMiller; 07-18-2008, 11:12 AM.

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                      • #41
                        Re: J.J. to the Pacers, Not a Redickulous Thought!

                        No. I know I know, what a way to expound on my thoughts.


                        2006 WORLD CHAMPION INDIANAPOLIS COLTS

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                        • #42
                          Re: J.J. to the Pacers, Not a Redickulous Thought!

                          I was a sportswriter and editor for 20 years, and I covered Duke for four years. I love coach K and his wife Mikki, and the Blue Devils are one of 3-4 college teams I follow throughout the year. That said, I don't think JJ would help the Pacers. They need a power forward and to get rid of Tinsley. I would trade Tinsley for JJ ... or for a yo-yo ... or for a canteloupe .. or a 24-pack of Diet Coke.

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                          • #43
                            Re: J.J. to the Pacers, Not a Redickulous Thought!

                            Originally posted by FerengiMiller View Post
                            (a)You're rude, I hate Duke, I hate J.J. Redick, and youre gettin near being added to the list (likely not but stop hatin' on me ha). It was just an idea. I came up with it at the beginning of the summer, and yes we have gotten more three point threats and no I dont watch Star Trek. Ferengii is a nickname Reggie has been given by NBA players since he first came into the league because of he similar look to the Ferengi's on Star Trek. (b) Geez louise, don't be so vindictive, did I say the trade was going to happen, no? Half of the idiotic trades most people come up with arent even reasonable or possible. (c) All of you can go date Jeff Foster since all of you are obsessed with having a over 30 glorified rebounder on a team destine for mediocricy because you know nothing about basketball, he is too old for this team and doesn't fit in, we need youth to help build or franchise to win down the road, not guy who are on the downside of their careers. (d) I played basketball and am in college and no longer am involved. (e) I don't want to be a sports journalist. (f) I put my real name with my work because I am not a pussy hiding behind some fake name, because you likely, are a hater to most everyone, always negative in his mid to late thirties, likely working some low wage job like a school teacher, who is jealous of young people like myself who are going to make descent money and work at a job that doesn't suck. (g) I love the Pacers, I never miss a game, I love every player they get, and I am always thinking into the future. You think I didn't watch when Reggie left? Cool, keep thinking that.



                            I apologize for posting the Redick article, jesus christ. Thanks for the warm welcoming...

                            PS: I made the case for Redick because of his "POTENTIAL" not his NCAA performance. Get your facts straight, Anthem, and lay off the Hatorade.
                            I've got a headache and it's got Excedrin® written all over it.

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                            • #44
                              Re: J.J. to the Pacers, Not a Redickulous Thought!

                              and I am not a bandwagon fan, I am a Bengals, Reds, and Pacers fan. I have never been anything else and always cheered for those teams since I was born. I go to tons of games for all my teams. I have only seen one championship, that was the Reds when I was five. I saw the Bengals play a playoff game where Palmer and Henry got injured on the first play, I religiously watch my teams and will never cheer for any other teams. Great guess, and I only cheer for Miami of Ohio in NCAA sports, because that is my school. I watched Roethlisberger and Szczerbiak here, never will get any better and likely not anytime soon going to happen again. Great prognosis, way off though buddy, way off! If I was a bandwagon fan, I would be posting about the Colts, but oh wait, I am not by any means!!!!

                              I'm just defendin myself, since I was attacked personally...

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                              • #45
                                Re: J.J. to the Pacers, Not a Redickulous Thought!

                                FerengiMiller = Paul Pierce

                                Anthem = Al Horford



                                Ferengi Miller = Just wants to have fun!

                                Anthem = Hater!

                                Last edited by FerengiMiller; 07-18-2008, 11:30 AM.

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