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    Default Josh Childress heading to Olympiakos

    Interesting. I have never seen a situation where a pretty decent NBA player not yet in the prime of his career would consider going to Europe.

    But I wouldn't blame him for going. Greece is a beautiful country, and his contract is free of Greek taxes.

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    Josh Childress, a free agent from the Atlanta Hawks, is strongly considering a three-year, $20 million offer from Olympiakos, several league sources said Sunday night.

    Childress flew to Greece late Sunday and is scheduled to meet with Olympiakos officials on Monday.


    Childress, 25, is so flustered with the Hawks’ refusal to make a sign-and-trade deal to another team, one source familiar with his thinking believes there’s “better than a 50-50 chance” he’ll sign with Olympiakos. The team also will cover the Greek taxes for Childress, making it even more lucrative.

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    Thats a sweet deal.

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    Couldn't imagine a guy who could be more successful over there. He's extremely efficient, but also shockingly athletic. Smart kid, great attitude, very skilled. He'll be fantastic over there, and Atlanta doesn't deserve him.

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    This makes me think..is it possible that someday all of the really good young prospects could ditch the NBA rookie scale, sign big contracts for 3-4 years in Europe, and then come to the NBA for an even bigger payday? Does the rookie scale apply to players who aren't drafted out of college? IIRC it doesn't because didn't the Pacers sign Saranus to a deal much larger than the rookie pay scale would allow?

    Is it possible or is that too farfetched?
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    Do it, please. He'll be the biggest basketball star in one of the world's most beautiful countries. Also, that money rivals the money he'd get here, anyhow.

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    This is why Stanko Barac has yet to come to the NBA. Guy's got business savvy.

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    And a mortgage
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcpacersfan View Post
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    This makes me think..is it possible that someday all of the really good young prospects could ditch the NBA rookie scale, sign big contracts for 3-4 years in Europe, and then come to the NBA for an even bigger payday? Does the rookie scale apply to players who aren't drafted out of college? IIRC it doesn't because didn't the Pacers sign Saranus to a deal much larger than the rookie pay scale would allow?

    Is it possible or is that too farfetched?
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    This is why Stanko Barac has yet to come to the NBA. Guy's got business savvy.
    Exactly. What do you think Stanko's doing? He'll be in the US for 2010 when all the teams clearing cap space for him will be killing themselves for a chance to sign him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcpacersfan View Post
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    This makes me think..is it possible that someday all of the really good young prospects could ditch the NBA rookie scale, sign big contracts for 3-4 years in Europe, and then come to the NBA for an even bigger payday? Does the rookie scale apply to players who aren't drafted out of college? IIRC it doesn't because didn't the Pacers sign Saranus to a deal much larger than the rookie pay scale would allow?

    Is it possible or is that too farfetched?
    What it would allow is for players to just refuse to come over and sign for more money in Europe if they're drafted in the first round. There is no rookie scale for second round picks, so you could be drafted in the second round and sign a max-level deal, potentially.

    Most European teams can offer the equivalent of slightly more than an MLE contract for their top player - but they pay the taxes, and also pay expenses (they furnish you with a house, a car, etc - on their dime).

    Is it possible that North American players will look at Europe as a better starting point for them? Yes, and frankly, the better European teams provide a far better alternative for most young players than the NBDL, NCAA, and certainly being a scrub in the NBA.

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    I hope Childress signs and things work out for Jennings.

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    FWIW, Panathinaikos offered this same type of contract to Jamison this off season.
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    I hope Childress signs and things work out for Jennings.
    Childress is in a better position than Jennings currently. Jennings will still have to work for rookie scale when he enters the draft.

    Tiago Splitter comes to mind as a player who is locked into a late 1st round scale with San Antonio, but is making millions more in Spain right now than the Spurs can pay him.

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    There is no rookie scale for second round picks, so you could be drafted in the second round and sign a max-level deal, potentially.
    Well, that's true but...you still have to become a free agent first. If you're a player that is that good the team that drafted you is NOT going to make you a free agent when they could pay you peanuts for two years. A current example of this is Carl Landry. No he's not a max type player but he is clearly worth more than he signed for as a 2nd round pick last year. In order for him to make more someone would have to sign him to a deal that Houston was unwilling to match.

    Teams are not going to make anyone a free agent if they don't have to after what Carlos Boozer did to Cleveland.

    If the players that skip the NBA ever come back they will still have to enter the draft, which then subjects them to the rookie scale. Or another way to get around it is for the player to declare for the draft and convince the teams NOT to draft them by signing in Europe. Then, because you went through the draft process, when you come back you are automatically a free agent. Sarunas is an example of this.
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    Well, that's true but...you still have to become a free agent first. If you're a player that is that good the team that drafted you is NOT going to make you a free agent when they could pay you peanuts for two years. A current example of this is Carl Landry. No he's not a max type player but he is clearly worth more than he signed for as a 2nd round pick last year. In order for him to make more someone would have to sign him to a deal that Houston was unwilling to match.

    Teams are not going to make anyone a free agent if they don't have to after what Carlos Boozer did to Cleveland.

    If the players that skip the NBA ever come back they will still have to enter the draft, which then subjects them to the rookie scale. Or another way to get around it is for the player to declare for the draft and convince the teams NOT to draft them by signing in Europe. Then, because you went through the draft process, when you come back you are automatically a free agent. Sarunas is an example of this.
    Again, there is no rookie scale for players drafted in the second round. They can negotiate and sign with their drafting team for whatever they see fit, even a maximum contract.

    Hence the reason why Nikola Pekovic was drafted in the second round this year. Although he's clearly a first-round talent, his contract with Panathinaikos made the NBA pay scale uncompetetive. Chances are he'll sign with Minnesota in 2010 for at least as much as Panathinaikos can pay. Unless he were the first or second overall pick, there's no way he could make as much money on rookie scale contracts as European teams will pay but he could sign for perhaps $4 or $5 million at that point and come over, making it worth his while.

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    Again, there is no rookie scale for players drafted in the second round.
    I understand that. If a player is that good they are NOT making it out of the first round, most likely not even the top 5. Sure the ability to do that is there, but you have a better shot at winning the powerball.

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    This will last as long as the Euro is stronger than the dollar. Of course that may be until the 2016 elections, but ...

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    If I had a chance to sit on a NBA bench or a European bench, I'd choose the NBA no matter the contract size.

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    Childress is great talent and should've been starting for Atlanta. He's a poor man's Ron Artest but without all the headaches.

    Seriously, he has the ability to be a top-notch defender in the NBA and he scores really well around the basket, with the ball, and off of the ball. He rebounds the ball well and he's one of those guys that never seems to run out of energy - like Rip Hamilton. IMO, he's one of the most underrated players in the league.

    If it wasn't for the restricted FA tag, he would've been snatched off the market weeks ago.
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    I understand that. If a player is that good they are NOT making it out of the first round, most likely not even the top 5. Sure the ability to do that is there, but you have a better shot at winning the powerball.
    Well, in a deeper draft it's a real possibility. If a guy has good offers from Europe and he's going to get drafted lower than, say, 5th overall he could simply tell teams lower than 4 to not bother drafting him in the first round because he'll sign in Europe for more money.

    Pekovic already set a big precedent because he managed to put out the news that he was going to sign a big contract with a European team and teams shouldn't waste their time using a first round pick on him. The result? He went from being projected as high as 15th at one point at draftexpress.com to beginning of the second round. We may end up seeing a lot more of that.
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    Childress is great talent and should've been starting for Atlanta. He's a poor man's Ron Artest but without all the headaches. Seriously, he has the ability to be a top-notch defender and he scores so well around the basket. IMO, he's one of the most underrated players in the league.

    If it wasn't for the restricted FA tag, he would've been snatched off the market weeks ago.
    I don't see quite that much Artest in him, he's really a unique player. He's very low-usage, very high efficiency, and is just a beast on the offensive glass. Defensively he's nothing remarkable. He does very little on the court of a statistical value, but what he does, he does extremely well.

    The Raptors had a chance to land Childress and a first-round pick last year (ended up being Horford) for Jose Calderon. I'm thinking they should be kicking themselves for that decision now.
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    If I had a chance to sit on a NBA bench or a European bench, I'd choose the NBA no matter the contract size.
    He won't be on the bench in Europe.

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    Your right, but I would be.

    Same thing goes with starting.

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    He wouldn't start over here, though. He'd probably be a sixth man on most other teams as well.

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    I look for the NBA to change it's rules so that if first round picks go play elsewhere for a couple years the NBA team that drafted the pick doesn't have to pay rookie scale, they can pay what they want.

    This could actually work pretty good. If a 1st round pick goes to Europe and doesn't pan out he won't cost the team that holds his NBA rights anything.

    That way Europe would be developing players for the NBA. Of course the pick could prefer Europe and never sign with the NBA team.

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    He won't be on the bench in Europe.
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    He wouldn't start over here, though. He'd probably be a sixth man on most other teams as well.
    I agree with Hicks!

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    I wasn't disagreeing with him. Actually, the contrary.

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