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    New article

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    O'Neal's impact to remain mystery until the fall
    MICHAEL GRANGE

    From Wednesday's Globe and Mail

    July 8, 2008 at 9:45 PM EDT

    TORONTO — This afternoon the Toronto Raptors will introduce Jermaine O'Neal, their newly acquired centre.

    Who exactly he is and what he will bring to the franchise will likely remain a mystery until the season starts in November.

    Is O'Neal an injury-plagued fading star destined to be a drag on the bottom line? Or a still potent veteran determined to extend the prime of his career and help the Raptors win their first playoff series in six years?

    Trainer Joe Abunassar, who has been working with O'Neal daily in Las Vegas since May 15, bets on the latter as O'Neal attempts to rebound from a lost season and a "best thing for everyone" divorce from the Indiana Pacers.


    "He's a world-class player and an unbelievable guy," said Abunassar, who runs an elite summer training program in Las Vegas for a who's who of NBA stars. "He's like Kevin Garnett that way, just a pleasure to be around."

    The scouting report only gets better from there. It needs to as Raptors president Bryan Colangelo tries to steer the franchise back into the mix in the Eastern Conference after a desultory 41-41 season.

    In trading T.J. Ford, Rasho Nesterovic and the No. 17 pick in the draft (Roy Hibbert), Colangelo has staked the Raptors' short-term future on the belief that a revitalized O'Neal will team with Chris Bosh to give Toronto one of the premier front lines in the NBA.

    But if O'Neal continues to battle injuries — he's played more than 51 games only once in the past four seasons — or fails to fit in alongside Bosh, the Raptors will have little choice but to count the days until his massive salary comes off the books after the 2009-10 season and they can begin to rebuild.

    For what it's worth, opinions around the NBA are fairly uniform: If O'Neal can regain his health and maintain his enthusiasm in his 13th NBA season, few question his ability to have an impact on a game.

    "The thing about Jermaine is there have been two issues over the past couple of seasons," said one front-office staffer. "One has been injuries; the other has been the circumstances around the Pacers that impacted everyone on the team. The bottom line with Jermaine is that he's an all-star-calibre player, and if he's healthy enough, he's still young enough to be an all-star-calibre player again."

    O'Neal's injury problems have been varied: torn groin muscles, shoulder problems, sprained ankles and most recently a balky knee that never stabilized last year after surgery for cartilage problems after the 2006-07 season.

    The Pacers' problems have been all over the map, as well. There was the brawl in Auburn Hills, for which O'Neal was suspended 25 games for punching a fan in the melee, and a number of off-court incidents — some involving guns and drugs.

    O'Neal wasn't involved, but their frequency, critics say, threw into question his leadership abilities. Defenders point out that O'Neal was trying to lead a team that featured noted problem cases Ron Artest, Stephen Jackson and Jamaal Tinsley.

    With a seven-year, $120-million (U.S.) contract, O'Neal became a focal point for fan discontent as the Pacers missed the playoffs the past three seasons. His occasional pleas to be traded didn't help the cause.

    Complicating matters was that O'Neal and Pacers president Larry Bird are less than close. The perception is that Bird used former coach Isiah Thomas to get O'Neal to sign his contract after the 2003-04 season and then fired Thomas, betraying O'Neal's trust.

    The pair are said to have hardly spoken in recent years, but given Bird's status as an in-state legend, it was a popularity contest O'Neal could never win.

    "He's a misunderstood guy, coming from a screwed-up situation," said one NBA insider.

    O'Neal has gone out of his way to prove he's ready for a fresh start in Toronto.

    Following news of the deal, O'Neal called Colangelo, Raptors head coach Sam Mitchell and Bosh, in each case assuring them he was determined to make the most of a fresh start and fit in well alongside Bosh. He wanted to prove his string of six consecutive all-star seasons was the norm and the past two years the exception.

    More important, he's been walking the walk, Abunassar says.

    O'Neal has spent nearly two months focusing primarily on basketball-specific fitness training with just a dusting of skill work thrown in. His fitness and health have continued to improved, and he's now up to 45 minutes of basketball work following nearly two hours of therapy and training.

    His four- to five-hour days will get longer later this month as he begins to scrimmage against other NBA players later this month.

    "Most NBA players don't start coming in until June or July," Abunassar said. "But Jermaine was here in May. He was very determined to get into elite shape, and we set up a four-month plan to get there and we're way ahead of schedule.

    "I've been doing this for 10 years and he's as good a guy as I've had in terms of focusing on the plan and doing what it takes to get ready. If he keeps going at this pace, he's going to have a tremendous summer and be able to roll right into training camp. He'll be ready."

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    Nobody said he wasn't a good guy. Nobody said he wasn't a hard worker. Nobody questions his desire to win. The big question is durability. When you pay a guy that much, he has to be there for you in the playoffs. Even the all-star years, he rarely was 100% in the playoffs. I don't see that changing, especially now that I assume he'll be exclusively at center. They make it sound like everyone in Indiana hated him, and that's simply not true. Pacers had to rebuild, his contract had to be removed.
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    O'Neal has spent nearly two months focusing primarily on basketball-specific fitness training with just a dusting of skill work thrown in.

    His four- to five-hour days will get longer later this month as he begins to scrimmage against other NBA players later this month.
    Good for him. I'll be glad to see JO playing well again.

    I hope there won't be a lot of second-guessing around here if and when Jermaine does well with the Raptors. The trade was good for the Pacers, even if Jermaine comes back strong. (Only if Ford, Nesterovich and Hibbert all flop should we regret it.)
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    Great article... thanks UB.

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    More important, he's been walking the walk, Abunassar says.

    O'Neal has spent nearly two months focusing primarily on basketball-specific fitness training with just a dusting of skill work thrown in. His fitness and health have continued to improved, and he's now up to 45 minutes of basketball work following nearly two hours of therapy and training.

    His four- to five-hour days will get longer later this month as he begins to scrimmage against other NBA players later this month.

    "Most NBA players don't start coming in until June or July," Abunassar said. "But Jermaine was here in May. He was very determined to get into elite shape, and we set up a four-month plan to get there and we're way ahead of schedule.

    "I've been doing this for 10 years and he's as good a guy as I've had in terms of focusing on the plan and doing what it takes to get ready. If he keeps going at this pace, he's going to have a tremendous summer and be able to roll right into training camp. He'll be ready."
    I get that this won't make people suddenly like Jermaine if they hated him before. But at the very least, can we put to bed the "lazy" comments that sometimes find their way into the discussion? People who rip his work ethic or conditioning are really reaching.
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    Great article... thanks UB.


    I get that this won't make people suddenly like Jermaine if they hated him before. But at the very least, can we put to bed the "lazy" comments that sometimes find their way into the discussion? People who rip his work ethic or conditioning are really reaching.
    I hardly think that the testimony of Joe Abunassar (who is being paid to be JO's trainer) erases all questions about JO's work ethic and/or character. Besides, his work ethic and character were never a problem with me, it's always been about the ridiculous things he says and the inflated view he seems to have of himself. I've also never thought that he was a good team player in that he has never really made the players around him better.

    To me, a player who quietly goes about his business and does a good job is preferable to a player who beats his chest and takes every opportunity to tell people how good he is, or how good he is going to be.

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    Wait, when did people start saying JO was lazy? That's nuts.

    Well, unless the discussion is boxing out for rebounds.

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    It's just funny to me that other than some locals most people really like JO and respect his game.

    I mean mentioned in there but oft forgotten here was the whole Bird waits till JO resigns before firing Isiah thing. Then Bird calls out JO's leadership...multiple times. Bird calls out Rick's discipline issues till he's finally fired. Bird brings in tough guy JOB.

    And what happens? More of the same. I'm willing to beleive that Bird has a plan now and is getting there, but it's a mistake to assume that Bird hasn't F'd up along the way to this point. The team had a lot of issues and somehow he wasn't involved in any of the oversight, but other people were.


    I'm fine with the trade, it made sense. I'm fine with it even if JO kicks butt this year.

    But people are saying that JO is a "bad guy" because they are saying he's selfish and egotistical, as well as a liar/deluded because he talks "team" when his real interest is personal accomplishments.

    I don't agree with that.

    You know "if I'm kicking butt this team is going to win" doesn't have to mean "it's all about me". It also means "I know the rest of the guys are solid, to me I'm the only question mark" as well as "I wouldn't expect those guys to carry my load, that's my job".

    There's a lot to be said for reading your own opinions into things and JO has been the best/worst example of that in action.

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    He would've saved himself a lot of grief if he just would've shaved his head for the playoffs............
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    yeah i dont think J.O is going to make it to champinoship this year

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    Wait, when did people start saying JO was lazy? That's nuts.

    Well, unless the discussion is boxing out for rebounds.
    I seem to recall a certain poster who has the initials UB weighing in on this subject once....

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    Was just listening to an interview on ESPN radio w/ Joe Abenassuer
    (just a wilda$$ guess on spelling it), the personal training guru
    who's worked with numerous NBA guys in the off-season, He
    said he's been working with J.O. in recent weeks and his knee
    is fine, he's stronger in his lower body than ever, slimmer in terms
    of conditioned muscularity in his upper body and, (drumroll...)
    'has been working harder than he's ever seen him in the 10 yrs
    he's been around him'.

    It was time to move J.O. and move on. But if he's suddenly gotten
    religion training-wise and has a huge year next year, I'll admit I'll
    be a little pissed off. Where the hell was that work ethic in recent
    years ?

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    And I say it's BS and more of a salestalk of his trainer, maybe a pat on the back of JOs sort of like "I really like the effort you are putting into it, bud" to show his appreciation or give JO's morale an extra lift or maybe even to give the Toronto fans some extra hope, I dunno.

    I do know that JO improved parts of his game virtually every year and did it in the summer by training hard.

    Rebounding, shotblocking, passing out of doubleteams/better court awareness, more muscular/higher weight (as per request from our own management), etc. The summer when on his initiative (virtually) everyone came back earlier from summerbrake to train together in preparation of the new season.

    I call BS on him not having had a good work ethic or whatever. Yes, I think he maybe wasn't as active the last two summers because he was rehabbing major injuries.

    Sjeesh, can't believe I'm actually standing up for JO against some of you now, used to be more the other way around...

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    Nothing is going to matter until later in the season. If his body holds up in the second half and he plays at a high level, it will be the first time for years. In any event, he was not going to stay in Indy so he could turn into Duncan and we'd still lose him...

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    Where the hell was that work ethic in recent years ?
    Let it go, dude. You're reaching.
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    not sure jermaine really knows what it takes, as some of you have said. really how could we know...the state of affairs with this team since he arrived has been rather ridiculous...he could be a totally different guy/player had the brawl not erupted and we had realized our championship caliber potential that year.

    he however has always been a great interview/quotestar and seems perenially in the right state of mind. pretty sure he always means what he says, and hes certainly a class act. in some of the best and then suddenly darkest years of the team he almost always was a bright spot (sans injury troubles, although ill never forget his left handed foul shooting). hes talking a little big here but i wouldnt want to see anything else from a player of his potential/caliber on a decently talented team and i really wish him the best...after the pacers, toronto will now be one of the top few teams ill be rooting for this season.

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    Video of JO, taped 7/12/08 tells all.

    http://www.hoopsworld.com/video/inde...13&PLAY_CLIP=Y

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    Video of JO, taped 7/12/08 tells all.

    http://www.hoopsworld.com/video/inde...13&PLAY_CLIP=Y
    Yeah, that's a really good interview. I'm sure Bball could find something wrong with it, but it seemed both really upfront and honest, and at the same time very honoring of the Pacers franchise.
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    Here is a decent article. The part I put in bold is a little concerning - about making up injuries. Seems to be suggesting it was the knee injury all along and not the other string of injuries that we were told about.


    http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?...9450&print=yes


    Jermaine O'Neal has endured some tough times with the Indiana Pacers over the past four years, but he's looking forward to an opportunity to hit the reset button with the Toronto Raptors next season.

    "Sometimes you need a fresh start," O'Neal told HOOPSWORLD after a hard workout at Joe Abunassar's Impact Basketball in Las Vegas, the elite training facility for NBA athletes during the offseason. "Obviously, we've been through a lot these last four years with the Indiana Pacers and things didn't pan out the way we wanted them to pan out. So I'm getting this opportunity to start over new. Not only start over new but with a good organization and a really good team, so I'm excited about that."

    There's plenty for O'Neal to be excited about, as he joins an up-and-coming Raptors roster that hopes to contend for an Eastern Conference title. Pairing with Chris Bosh in the paint, O'Neal sounded thrilled and rejuvenated with an opportunity to form arguably the most formidable duo of big men in the league. "It can be scary," O'Neal said. "Teams haven't seen that in a while, where you can throw two guys on both boxes who can really set up and shoot the 15-foot jumpshot, post up, and put the ball on the floor. I don't really know who you can double off of because we have three-point shooting on the perimeter, so teams are really going to have to roll their sleeves up."

    One of those perimeter players for the Raptors, Anthony Parker, was also putting his time into training at Impact Basketball on Saturday and echoed the same eager sentiment as O'Neal. "His addition to our team brings us what we were missing last year," Parker told HOOPSWORLD. "He brings toughness, a defensive presence in the paint, and he's a great rebounder. All of those things are things we struggled with last year. I'm very excited to have him on the team and the organization and the fans are just really excited for another season."

    With Bosh and O'Neal down low, Parker sees the opportunity for himself and others on the outside to really thrive. "Chris makes all of our lives so much easier and then you add another guy like Jermaine O'Neal who is the exact same kind of presence," he said. "He's going to open things up and you've got to honor him and maybe send two people at him, same way with Chris. And that opens things up for guys like me and Jason Kapono on the outside."

    Injuries have hampered O'Neal over the past two seasons, but he admitted that the extent of his injury was never fully disclosed to the public. "I don't think people realize that I had played on a torn meniscus for a year and a half and didn't tell anybody," O'Neal told HOOPSWORLD. "We just told teams it was different injuries so they wouldn't know it was my knee and it just really took a toll on me physically and mentally and it turned out getting worse."

    After taking the time off, O'Neal said he is rested and healthy enough to make a strong run next season with his new team. Using the summer to train hard, O'Neal feels that he'll be physically and mentally prepared to make a great run. "I knew that in order to get to the level people are used to seeing me play at, I had to take the time off," he said. "Have a great summer and go into the season with a different mental focus and a different physical focus."

    His summer training with Impact Basketball has been integral in his eagerness to get physically healthy since he's now mentally healthy. "We're doing some things that I haven't done in my career," he said. "They've taken my blood type and figured out what diet you need to be on. The diet they have me on is a pretty severe diet as far as the things I like to eat – bread and dairy product and so on. These guys, they do everything. It's a full a facility with a lot of different players in the gym, great training, and they hand you off to the next guy. You come in and it's physical therapy, next guy's Joe on the court, and the next guy's JR in the weight room, and then I've got my physical therapist at home. So they've really put together a great team which really helps me and guarantees in my mind that I'm going to come back and come back in a major way next year."

    With his future looking so strong, O'Neal was thankful for his past, acknowledging and appreciating the Pacers organization for the way they've treated him over the years. The Pacers saw the talent O'Neal had years ago when he was playing a nominal role with the Portland Trail Blazers, trading for him in the summer of 2000 and watching his career take off as a potential MVP candidate. "It's hard to explain what that organization has been through," O'Neal said. "I know there's a lot of other organizations that have been through some things off the court, but that team has really suffered and suffered in a major way. And that's why I compliment Larry Bird and the Simons, which are our owners, for the job that they did with trading me and also getting something for me and also putting me in a position where I can still compete and show what I can do."

    The Pacers and O'Neal had talked about possibly moving him in the past, but both parties decided that it was better for the team to give it another go with him on the roster rather than look to rebuild. That changed this season, though. "It was better for them to make a move," O'Neal said. "Obviously, Mike Dunleavy and Danny Granger had great years and it's the perfect time to make that transition with those two guys coming off the years that they had."

    With that decision, O'Neal now has an opportunity to experience the kind of success he hasn't seen since the Pacers made the Eastern Conference Finals in 2004. Although the Raptors figure to be players in the East, O'Neal knows that triumph won't come easily for his new team. "We look good on paper but obviously we got to get that chemistry and we got to get that swagger about ourselves that we're one of the better teams in the league," he said. "As soon as we get that, I think we can be good but the work is still yet to be done."

    Already putting in the work at Impact Basketball, O'Neal and Parker are doing their part to help the Toronto Raptors get to the next level.

    Reborn and ready to go, Jermaine O'Neal should return to form next season and provide the young Raptors with the veteran presence needed to do just that.
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    Yikes, I'm sure the Raptors are happy to know that JO was seriously injured and not nicked up...

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    I think the idea was not to fool the fans but to make sure that other teams didn't focus on JO's knee when he was in the game.

    That used to be standard practice.

    Also, I seem to recall that once the decision was made for JO to stay out until fully healed we WERE told about the torn meniscus.
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    I'm pretty sure what UB posted is the text version of the video clip posted just above. ...except the text version doesn't utilize the parts of the video clip where JO starts talking about dominating again...

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    I think the idea was not to fool the fans but to make sure that other teams didn't focus on JO's knee when he was in the game.

    That used to be standard practice.

    Also, I seem to recall that once the decision was made for JO to stay out until fully healed we WERE told about the torn meniscus.
    That makes sense, but the only reason I care is if all along it was just the knee that was the problem - and if that is now healed, he might have a healthy season. I don't really believe that, though

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    Not exactly.

    People are bashing him for his over-inflated ego, saying he is seeing championships "won by his peers" when he is far removed from the Kevin Garnett/Paul Pierce/Dwayne Wade/Tim Duncan/Manu Ginobili level of player.

    He is just not anywhere near that good anymore. 5 years ago, yes. Now he is Drew Gooden, with a better resume only if you go back far enough and convince yourself that going back that far is relevant.

    I am thrilled that this over-inflated sense of self-importance is so longer our problem to deal with.

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    Video of JO, taped 7/12/08 tells all.

    http://www.hoopsworld.com/video/inde...13&PLAY_CLIP=Y

    That was great. I already miss the guy.

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    It's typical JO.


    Team, team, team, team.... Give me the ball, I'm going to dominate.

    Um, what happened to team?

    What JO should have said was, I'm going to try to make my teammates better and fit into a team that is really close to something special.

    You can smell fake humble a mile a way.
    You know, as a Raptors fan I groaned a bit at that trade (and at JO when he called himself "one of the most efficient power forwards in the game the past 7 years" ), but I think you're misrepresenting his attitude a lot.

    Toronto suffered this past year under an insane, egotistical coach who at one point didn't make eye contact or even talk to our 1st overall pick two years ago because of...a lot of factors that only the Smitch can explain. Bargnani got his PT and spot in the rotation and expectations on the floor jerked around a lot, and Bargnani's play predictably suffered (he started the year looking like a world-beater). And what does JO say, repeatedly? How excited he is with the opportunity to mentor Bargnani, to teach him, to encourage him, and how he thinks he's a great talent. He talked more about Bargnani and how glad he was to be playing with him than he did about Bosh or Calderon. I was so freaking impressed by that I almost cried.

    I knew as soon as they got JO that he would make our offense suffer with his own inefficiency, nor would he address our biggest problem (offensive rebounding) in any significant way, but I figured he would help us on the defensive end, and I figure he will. But for no other reason, if his confidence (bravado?) and encouragement gives a new lease on life to Bargnani and he acts as an antidote to the Smitch in that regard, JOw's worth taking the rest of his problems on for.

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