Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 32

Thread: Williams speaks out on Bird criticism

  1. #1
    Our hero! GrangerRanger's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Indianapolis, Indiana
    Age
    29
    Posts
    951

    Default Williams speaks out on Bird criticism

    http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...RTS04/80703048

    --------------------------------

    Shawne Williams said he wants to remain a Pacer and harbors no hard feelings toward Larry Bird after the team president's recent strong comments about him.

    Bird said June 24 that the Pacers would trade Williams if they could get enough in return, adding that if the second-year forward remained with the team he would be on "very thin ice."
    Advertisement

    "I just hope the thin ice don't break," Williams said this afternoon after the first workout of the Pacers rookie and free agent camp. "I'm going to do everything in my power to keep it thin and try to thicken it up a little bit."

    In February, a man wanted on a murder charge in Memphis, Tenn., was arrested after leaving Williams' home in a vehicle registered to Williams. The same person was with Williams when the Pacer was stopped for driving without a license on Sept. 11, 2007. The man, Gary Ian Bohannon, was found guilty of marijuana possession from that traffic stop.

    Williams, who played college basketball at Memphis, said he understood Bird's comments.

    "He's got a job to do, and I've got a job to do. I didn't lose no respect for Larry," Williams said. "He's just doing his job. And he's right."
    Last edited by GrangerRanger; 07-03-2008 at 05:10 PM.

  2. #2
    Our hero! GrangerRanger's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Indianapolis, Indiana
    Age
    29
    Posts
    951

    Default Re: Williams speaks out on Bird criticism

    Erm..

    Just noticed this was posted in the other thread. Sorry guys.

  3. #3

    Default Re: Williams speaks out on Bird criticism

    Atleast he is smart enough to say the right thing.

    I hope Shawne surrounds himself with better people.

  4. #4

    Default Re: Williams speaks out on Bird criticism

    Quote Originally Posted by GrangerRanger View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    . And he's right."
    I hope he means that and takes it to heart. So far he is guilty of bad decisions, but nothing to the degree that he can not rehab is image. Saying the right things and be humble in the face of strong criticism does speak well for him.

  5. #5
    Go Colts! Shade's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Age
    36
    Posts
    44,669

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: Williams speaks out on Bird criticism

    I've been saying from the beginning that Shawne is a good guy that just happened to be mixed up with bad people. It's up to him to break the ties at this point, which I believe he will/has.

    I very much want him to remain a Pacer.

  6. #6
    Tyrant maragin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Los Angeles, CA
    Posts
    1,216

    Default Re: Williams speaks out on Bird criticism

    Good reply by Shawn. Would like to see him perform well here, or wherever he might get traded to.

  7. #7
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Posts
    163

    Default Re: Williams speaks out on Bird criticism

    Has the thought, that Bird was saying this negative stuff about Williams to appease the disgruntled fan base, ever crossed any minds here? I think he wants to keep Williams, however he can't be percieved as wanting to keep him, therefore he slams him in the press.

  8. #8
    Go Colts! Shade's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Age
    36
    Posts
    44,669

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: Williams speaks out on Bird criticism

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyBGoode View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Has the thought, that Bird was saying this negative stuff about Williams to appease the disgruntled fan base, ever crossed any minds here? I think he wants to keep Williams, however he can't be percieved as wanting to keep him, therefore he slams him in the press.
    Absofreakinlutely.

  9. #9

    Default Re: Williams speaks out on Bird criticism

    Could be and makes a fair amount of sense.

  10. #10
    Member juadam09's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    VA/MD/DC
    Age
    29
    Posts
    156

    Default Re: Williams speaks out on Bird criticism

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyBGoode View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Has the thought, that Bird was saying this negative stuff about Williams to appease the disgruntled fan base, ever crossed any minds here? I think he wants to keep Williams, however he can't be percieved as wanting to keep him, therefore he slams him in the press.
    To a point, maybe. In the same breath you have to assume that your fan base is not stupid and they realize that talk is cheap. My personal opinion is Bird likes Williams the player. He isn't so fond on Williams the man or the decisions he has made. That said, if any one is willing to give a player a second chance I would think it would be Larry Bird.

    I do think PR plays into things a lot, but I dont think Larry would make comments like this just for the sake of PR. Did he make them harsher then he would have had we not had off the court problems in the past? Personally I think so. I know I was shocked when I saw how blunt the comments were.

    By the same token I think it also shows how much Bird beleioved in Williams. One of the hardest things I had to learn was the more a person (be it a track coach or a movie director) beleives in you the harsher and more blunt they can become. This can be hard to deal with at times be so far Williams has done a good job handling himself. I hope he does turn himself around, be it with us or with another franchise if we get a offer we cant refuse.

  11. #11
    100 Miles from the B count55's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Posts
    5,772

    Default Re: Williams speaks out on Bird criticism

    Occam's razor:

    I think Bird just says what he says. I don't think he has either the personality or the guile to shape a message or spin perceptions. It seems to me that he said "Shawne's on thin ice" because that's what the answer to the question was. I do believe he likes Shawne's talent, and I do believe that he thinks Shawne's running out of chances.

    I find it a little surprising that we continue to seek sophisticated, manipulative, and highly nuance reasoning for Bird's statements, when the simplest, most obvious answer is that he's just speaking what he believes to be true without any particular varnish on it.

    I mean, anybody who watched Bird stumble through that Stuart Scott interview Draft Night could plainly see that Larry's not what you'd call an Spin Master.

  12. #12
    streets ahead
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    DC
    Age
    30
    Posts
    5,770

    Default Re: Williams speaks out on Bird criticism

    Quote Originally Posted by count55 View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    I mean, anybody who watched Bird stumble through that Stuart Scott interview Draft Night could plainly see that Larry's not what you'd call an Spin Master.
    then he's got you right where he wants you...
    This is the darkest timeline.

  13. #13
    ENABEABLER MagicRat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    7,851

    Default Re: Williams speaks out on Bird criticism

    Here's Shawne on the tonight's evening news......

    http://chaos.able-towers.com/~magicrat/ShawneCh137-3.wmv

    It's a fairly large file. You can also find a streaming version on wthr.com
    PSN: MRat731 XBL: MRat0731

  14. #14
    100 Miles from the B count55's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Posts
    5,772

    Default Re: Williams speaks out on Bird criticism

    I think, ultimately, all he needed to say when he was asked was, "He's right".

    He did that...now he needs to deliver. I don't need any proclamations on how he's changed his life...I just need to see him working hard on the court and staying on the Sports page of the Star.

    As I've said in others, I don't think he's an innocent, but I don't think he's nefarious either. He's got a lot of talent, and I'm hopeful he can still be a productive member for the Pacers, on and off the court.

  15. #15
    Member Taterhead's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Indianapolis
    Posts
    1,294

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: Williams speaks out on Bird criticism

    The more I think about it, I don't think Bird necessarily wants to move Williams. I think he feels they let guys go too far in the past before putting the foot down and we have paid dearly for it. So it is kind of a pre-emptive tactic he is using to see how Shawne responds to it, which will make it easier for him to decide what exactly to do with him this summer.

    And I think Williams has passed the test so far. We are due for one of these guys to actually turn it around, and Williams has the talent to make it a big payoff in the next few years.

  16. #16
    .
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Posts
    52,583

    Default Re: Williams speaks out on Bird criticism

    I'm very happy with his answer. Hopefully he's speaking honestly. I suspect he is.

  17. #17
    100 Miles from the B count55's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Posts
    5,772

    Default Re: Williams speaks out on Bird criticism

    Some additional quotes from the Star this morning.

    The 17th pick in the 2006 draft, Williams said he has tried to streamline his life to playing basketball, working out and going home, away from trouble. He said he no longer associates with some people in his life, even relatives.

    "It's hard to cut family out because that's your blood, but some things, you've just go to do. You have to make some sacrifices," said Williams, a 6-9 forward who averaged 6.7 points and 2.7 rebounds last season.

    "I feel like, if family members and people around you love you and want you to succeed, they'll step back after so much."

    Williams said he realizes his off-court situations contributed to the Pacers' public relations problems, but he hopes to be a part of rebuilding the image and production of a team that missed the playoffs the past two years.

    Asked how he thinks he's viewed, Williams said, "I don't know. I feel like I still have fans cheering for me when I come out (on the court). I'm not getting booed.

    "I feel like I earned the fans back a little bit. I just have to stay out of trouble and keep a clean nose."
    I posted this in both threads...still hopeful for this guy.

  18. #18
    Gotta Play Big
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Indianapolis
    Posts
    15,765

    Default Re: Williams speaks out on Bird criticism

    ...so, his family members need to step back? That just sounds messed up. I guess it is what it is.

    The fortunate thing is, the decision to resign him is not immediate. When it does happen, a short term deal should be the goal unless it is abundantly clear this guy has put his past behind him.

    BTW, if he did not have so much talent, he would be on much, much thinner ice...

  19. #19
    100 Miles from the B count55's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Posts
    5,772

    Default Re: Williams speaks out on Bird criticism

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueNGold View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    ...so, his family members need to step back? That just sounds messed up. I guess it is what it is.

    The fortunate thing is, the decision to resign him is not immediate. When it does happen, a short term deal should be the goal unless it is abundantly clear this guy has put his past behind him.

    BTW, if he did not have so much talent, he would be on much, much thinner ice...
    We can still pick up his 4th year option, so we don't have to make any long term decisions until the summer of 2010.

  20. #20
    FREE LANCE MillerTime's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Toronto
    Posts
    4,841

    Default Re: Williams speaks out on Bird criticism

    Its good that Williams can recognize that hes on thin ice and needs to smarten up. Hes a really good ball player. Its really hard to find a 6'9" swingman that is as versitile as him. Another area of his that is underrated is his defence. No one really appreciates Shawne's defensive intensity. Lets all hope he can come off the bench next season and contribute. I dont see him as a starter next season (unless Dunleavy is traded; B. Rush wont start yet, he'll be coming off the bench). He can shoot the 3 and hes a good slasher. He has all the mechanics for a good player, he just need to keep his head in the game

    [yt]ENw_P83fyf4[/yt]

  21. #21
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Brown County, Indiana
    Posts
    3,780

    Default Re: Williams speaks out on Bird criticism

    Quote Originally Posted by count55 View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    I don't think he's nefarious either.
    I thought Nefarious was an Egyptian pharaoh. No?

    Thanks for posting the Star article. That is exactly what I wanted to hear from Williams. Now if he just backs it up, he's taken a huge step.

  22. #22
    .
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Posts
    52,583

    Default Re: Williams speaks out on Bird criticism

    Thanks for that video, MillerTime. I forgot how well Shawne can throw it down sometimes!

    And when it showed a couple of layups, I was reminded at how in control his body is as he glides in. Smooth.

  23. #23
    Feed the big fella. Infinite MAN_force's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Broadripple
    Age
    29
    Posts
    2,255

    Default Re: Williams speaks out on Bird criticism

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyBGoode View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Has the thought, that Bird was saying this negative stuff about Williams to appease the disgruntled fan base, ever crossed any minds here? I think he wants to keep Williams, however he can't be percieved as wanting to keep him, therefore he slams him in the press.
    I have been saying this since he made the "thin ice" statement.

    In fact, I have been half expecting the postitive shawne PR piece to show up in the star. It came a little sooner than I expected, but I am satisfied.

    Bird had high hopes for shawne when he drafted him, and I don't think he is ready to give up on him just yet.
    "As a bearded man, i was very disappointed in Love. I am gathering other bearded men to discuss the status of Kevin Love's beard. I am motioning that it must be shaved."

    - ilive4sports

  24. #24
    J.O. To The T.O. Oneal07's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Toronto, Canada
    Age
    32
    Posts
    1,459

    Default Re: Williams speaks out on Bird criticism

    I hope he stays, I was to see him dunk on many people in the future
    R.I.P. Bernic Mac & Isaac Hayes

  25. #25
    Intuition over Integers McKeyFan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Free Lance!
    Posts
    8,175

    Default Re: Williams speaks out on Bird criticism

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicks View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Thanks for that video, MillerTime. I forgot how well Shawne can throw it down sometimes!

    And when it showed a couple of layups, I was reminded at how in control his body is as he glides in. Smooth.
    Acknowledged. (And I like Shawne.)

    But now for the glass half empty.

    Threes and dunks. Threes and dunks. We have too many players whose only moves are threes and dunks.

    Dun and Murph have a couple of moves. Not many. Hopefully TJ Ford will really help on this matter of the Moveless Pacers.
    .

    .

    .

    .


    “People talk about how quiet he [McKey] is, but he’s really been helpful. He gives a lot of insight to players in how to guard certain teams and what their weaknesses are. The whole team listens to him, and it makes my job a lot easier. Having players like him is what pro basketball is all about for me.” —Larry Brown

Similar Threads

  1. Bird Prefers Polish to Potential
    By Mr. Sobchak in forum Indiana Pacers
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 06-27-2008, 09:08 AM
  2. Replies: 33
    Last Post: 06-25-2008, 06:17 PM
  3. Bird struggles to rebuild Pacers - From USA Today
    By Jose Slaughter in forum Indiana Pacers
    Replies: 28
    Last Post: 03-11-2008, 11:39 AM
  4. This summer will be interesting.
    By pwee31 in forum Indiana Pacers
    Replies: 40
    Last Post: 02-25-2008, 04:14 PM
  5. Larry Bird and the job he has done.
    By Young in forum Indiana Pacers
    Replies: 22
    Last Post: 12-10-2007, 02:13 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •