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    Pacers' Granger wants long-term deal


    By Jeff Rabjohns
    Posted: July 1, 2008




    Danny Granger’s long-range future with the Indiana Pacers could be settled later this summer.

    The 6-9 swingman, who was the Pacers’ leading scorer last year in his third year in the NBA, is eligible for a long-term extension. His agent, Mark Bartelstein, said he’ll likely begin talks with the Pacers in a few weeks.

    “These things are never easy, but they want to keep Danny and Danny wants to stay,” Bartelstein said today.

    Granger averaged 19.6 points and 6.1 rebounds last season. He had seven 30-point games, four in the final 14 games. The 17th pick in the 2005 draft has become an above average shooter, hitting 40.4 percent from 3-point range last season.

    “He’s a great kid. His family has done a great job raising him,” Bartelstein said. “He’s excited about being a part of the community, and he’s excited about being a part of the rebuilding of the Pacers.”

    Granger is scheduled to make $2.3 million next season, after which he becomes a restricted free agent. The Pacers must at least make a qualifying offer of $3.3 million for 2009-10 to retain the right to match any free agent offer he receives.

    Also, Pacers center and David Harrison and guard Andre Owens are free agents.
    Harrison, a 7-foot center from Colorado who completed his fourth year in NBA, became expendable after the Pacers acquired veteran Rasho Nesterovic and Georgetown’s Roy Hibbert to complement Jeff Foster.

    Pacers president Larry Bird declined through a spokesman to comment on personnel moves or Granger’s contract status.

    Five players with state ties are among the 15 expected to play in the Pacers’ rookie and free agent camp that runs Thursday through Sunday.

    Ben Davis High School graduate Stanley Burrell of Xavier, Pike and Purdue product David Teague, Butler’s Pete Campbell, Indiana University’s Earl Calloway and Valparaiso’s Ali Berdiel are among those who have been invited.

    Pacers veterans Shawne Williams, heading into his third NBA season, and Stephen Graham, heading into his fourth year, also are expected to play.

    The players the Pacers acquired in the Jermaine O’Neal deal with Toronto and in the draft-day deal with Portland can’t participate because those trades aren’t official until July.9.

    The complete list of players expected to play can be found at indystar.com/pacers.
    Call Star reporter Jeff Rabjohns at (317) 444-6183.

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    Default Re: IndyStar: Pacers' Granger wants long-term deal

    Contract negotiations always worry me. Let's hope we can keep Danny for around 10 mil/year.

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    You have no idea how I hate the words "long term".
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    Default Re: IndyStar: Pacers' Granger wants long-term deal

    Yeah, I am a bit surprised that they are starting the negotiations with his agent already.

    Let's get this done. We can and have to keep him.

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    You have no idea how I hate the words "long term".
    So what exactly does "long term" mean for someone at approximately DG's juncture in his career and coming on strongly?
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    granger's worth is about $8mil/yr. $10mil/yr is a little much but i'd probably give in. anything more than $10mil and we need to let him walk.

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    It will be interesting to see how much they actually give him. Nice that he's intersted in staying though.

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    Bout time.

    4 years/$40 million. Get it done.
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    Default Re: IndyStar: Pacers' Granger wants long-term deal

    Bird can't let Danny walk after saying he's the only "untouchable" to trades. I think he'll do whatever it takes to keep him. Let's just not break the bank. I like getting it out of the way early though, this way we have a better idea of how much cap space we'll have next summer.

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    Default Re: IndyStar: Pacers' Granger wants long-term deal

    It'll probably be somewhere between 10-12 annually.

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    I just hope they don't go overboard at like 5 years for $60 million. If his agent is smart, though, he should be able to bleed TPTB pretty good. Herb and Bird are not in a good spot here to be low-balling the only good Pacer memory from the past three years.

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    It'll probably be somewhere between 10-12 annually.
    Yes, and that will be an equitable deal. I hope they lock him up for 5 years. Generally, I would avoid that but unless health becomes an issue, he is close to a guarantee.

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    With the moves that were made already, we've put ourselves in a great position to keep the core together for at least 5 or 6 seasons. That should give us enough time to make a tweek or two along the way.

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    Default Re: IndyStar: Pacers' Granger wants long-term deal

    Maybe we'll sign him a little cheaper than if we wait for him to be a restricted free agent. Some team could go nuts and offer crazy money like they did with B. Miller if we wait.

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    maybe we are due.

    Let's review the most recent Pacer long-term deals reached, in no particular order:

    JO
    Tinsley
    Bender
    Foster

    Yes, we must be due to get one right.

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    You have no idea how I hate the words "long term".
    would you prefer "Pacers' Granger wants 'last throes' deal" ?

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    Yeah, I am a bit surprised that they are starting the negotiations with his agent already.
    i think it is a good thing. clearly in the last couple months the pacers have made it clear that they're marketing the team around danny and danny recognizes the effort and he wants a long-term deal, he seems to want to get it done with the pacers.

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    Bout time.

    4 years/$40 million. Get it done.
    yup. i'd be open to a 5th year like deng and iggy were offered too.
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    Default Re: IndyStar: Pacers' Granger wants long-term deal

    5 years and 50 mil seems about right. If his agent has any kind of skill though, we'll probably be looking at 5/60 or more.

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    Just some numbers on some recent deals for players putting up similar numbers to DG at 23 or 24 years old:

    Prince5 yrs 47.5 million
    Butler5 yrs 45 million
    Szczerbiak6 yrs $64.5 million
    Richardson6 yrs $70 million
    Jefferson6 yrs $76 million
    Hamilton7 yrs $64.0 million



    Everyone's deal other than Hamilton and Szczerbiak's signed him through 29, so if that holds true here, it would be a 5-year deal for Danny. With the cap not going up that much, these deals seem to be in the range of what everyone here is thinking, a 5-year deal at about 10 to 12. The guys on the worse teams tended to get the better deal relative to the time they signed (Richardson, Wally). I'll guess 5 years, $57 million.

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    Just some numbers on some recent deals for players putting up similar numbers to DG at 23 or 24 years old:

    Prince5 yrs 47.5 million
    Butler5 yrs 45 million
    Szczerbiak6 yrs $64.5 million
    Richardson6 yrs $70 million
    Jefferson6 yrs $76 million
    Hamilton7 yrs $64.0 million



    Everyone's deal other than Hamilton and Szczerbiak's signed him through 29, so if that holds true here, it would be a 5-year deal for Danny. With the cap not going up that much, these deals seem to be in the range of what everyone here is thinking, a 5-year deal at about 10 to 12. The guys on the worse teams tended to get the better deal relative to the time they signed (Richardson, Wally). I'll guess 5 years, $57 million.
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    Default Re: IndyStar: Pacers' Granger wants long-term deal

    He deserves that 10 mil a year level, especially if he keep improving.

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    Default Re: IndyStar: Pacers' Granger wants long-term deal

    Granger should get about $8 - $12 mill per year...

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    Wow, Caron is the best bargain in the league.
    Yeah, but remember the deal is 4 years old. That and people thought his numbers of 16/6/2 might have been inflated considering the crap team he got them with (LAL). No one ever dreamed he would blossom into a 20/7/5 guy on a slightly better than crap team.

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    Default Re: IndyStar: Pacers' Granger wants long-term deal

    It was pointed out in one of the other threads.....but Granger should be getting something similiar to what SFs like Deng is getting.

    I would be okay with something starting at $10.5 mil and whatever standard percentage raise is given for the next 5 years.
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    Default Re: IndyStar: Pacers' Granger wants long-term deal

    $9-12M per year is right. Nothing more, nothing less.

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    It was pointed out in one of the other threads.....but Granger should be getting something similiar to what SFs like Deng is getting.

    I would be okay with something starting at $10.5 mil and whatever standard percentage raise is given for the next 5 years.

    Keep in mind that both Deng and Gordon turned down extensions of 5/$50.

    The contract you're proposing would (could) be a 5yr/$65mm deal with a final year of about $15.7mm. While that strikes me as a little salty, it might not be far off what Danny and his agent might be hoping.

    While I'd hope for a 5/$50 deal, I would expect it to creep above that. I think it will probably take 5/$55-$60 to get it done.

    If we do that, I'd prefer that the contract be relatively flat rather than one that inflates to such large proportions at the end of the deal.

    The real question is do we want to run the risk of testing the market value on a personable 26 yr old next summer who could be coming off a 20+ pt, 7 reb year? For the cautionary tale, I point you to Rashard Lewis, who parlayed numbers very similar to what Danny put up last year into a 6-yr, $112mm contract.

    Plus, Portland will be far enough under the cap to offer someone a max deal next year. Whether they do it or not is another story, but I think he only gets more expensive (and possibly more unattainable) next summer.

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