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    Yes they can. The Knicks did it to Marbury. Barred him from the Garden. The problem is that it doesn't get them $1 back, takes up a roster spot, and doesn't improve any remaining trade possibilities.
    Marbury was also out for the season with ankle surgery anyway. He wasn't on the active roster. He already wasn't traveling with the team because of rehab and had so many public and private altercations/turmoil with Isiah and other Knicks personnel that there was a reason behind not allowing him to come sit in a suit on the bench.

    Tinsley, while not on good graces, has really done nothing to warrant such a drastic move. Nor is he (theoretically) medically unfit to play. If he was medically unable to play, I imagine they could find away to keep him away from the team...but not for three years.

    And I imagine that come November, Steph will either be back in a Knicks uniform, traded to another team or bought out.

    Like I said, you can't keep someone hostage for three years. Six months, sure. Maybe a year under extenuating attitude/medical circumstances. But not three years.

    Additionally, from Herb's standpoint, there is no financial reason to do that. It makes more sense to just buy him out and hope to save $5 million. So even if they really, really wanted to stick it to Jamaal and hold him out from playing anywhere else for three years over spite...there's just no reason to go to war with the Player's Union over something that doesn't help you financially and is a huge distraction/blackmark to your franchise.

    Jamaal's representatives know this and the Pacers FO know that they know this so it's a non-option.
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    Default Re: Buy out of Tinsley's contract...best thing for the pacers to do ?

    We can tell him to stay home just like we told Ron Artest to stay home after his trade demand.

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    We can tell him to stay home just like we told Ron Artest to stay home after his trade demand.
    He already does that. Didn't he show up to most of the games while he was benched?
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    He already does that. He didn't show up to most of the games while he was benched.
    Actually, that isn't exactly true. He was on the bench more times then he was actually absent.

    As for him being told to stay home...as mentioned earlier, this isn't going to happen if the Players Union has anything to do with it. Fighting the players union isn't something that gets you in well with agents leading their free agents to your team.

    As for all suggesting that the Pacers are in any position to suspend, discipline, or find a way out of his contract on what we know now is just fantasy....and this includes telling him to stay home for the next 2 to 3 years.

    If a buy out never happened before in the NBA, I could understand all this, but buyouts do happen and I don't see how Jamaal is any different then anyone else that has been bought out.
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    The best thing to do with Tinsley is try as hard as you can to move him any trade that does not net us a contract ( both in # of years and Salary owed per season ) that is any worse.

    But since I doubt that any GM will take on Tinsley....I am guessing the likely thing that the Pacers will do is simply buy him out.
    I think we will have to buy him out because of the size of the contract. But teams are so desperate for a point guard that maybe we will not take too huge of a hit. He does seam to be one of the better pg options available. Calderon is gone, Baron Davis unrealistic for most teams, Udrih a good option, Tinsley a good option, Duhon meh, Telfair meh, etc. A team will take him, and hopefully teams will end up bidding up his contract so it minimizes our salary cap hit.

    A blogger for the Clippers was in favor of a Tinsley for Tim Thomas trade. Thomas' salary is about 7 mil. for only two years. Something like this may be possible by teams that don't want to have to wait and bid on him after he becomes a free agent.

    But depending on the deal it may be better to just buy him out than take on another bad contract. This deal, for example, would not give any immediate salary cap relief, but in two years you have an extra $7 mill. While buying him out would give us about 2-3 million, purely speculation, over the next three years.

    Actually I have little idea what his market value is. How much do y'all think Tinsley will sign for after we buy him out?
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    I think we'll be able to trade Tinsley for something. Even if it includes throwing in a pick... someone will bite

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    ...best thing for the pacers to do ?
    At this point, I would have to say the best thing for the Pacers to do
    would be to fully encourage Tinsley to hang out at Cloud-9, unescorted,
    at 3:00AM, as often as he possibly can.


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    Actually, that isn't exactly true. He was on the bench more times then he was actually absent.

    As for him being told to stay home...as mentioned earlier, this isn't going to happen if the Players Union has anything to do with it. Fighting the players union isn't something that gets you in well with agents leading their free agents to your team.

    As for all suggesting that the Pacers are in any position to suspend, discipline, or find a way out of his contract on what we know now is just fantasy....and this includes telling him to stay home for the next 2 to 3 years.

    If a buy out never happened before in the NBA, I could understand all this, but buyouts do happen and I don't see how Jamaal is any different then anyone else that has been bought out.
    Sorry, should have said "didn't he?" Somebody tore up a desk chair and a mousepad in one of the rooms this time last night when I posted this.

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    If bought out, what do you think Tinsley's market value is?

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    MLE maybe ? what teams other then maybe the Kings, Warriors, Magic, Hawks would want him ?
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    If bought out, what do you think Tinsley's market value is?
    Right now...1 year at vet minimum...If he plays 70+ games and produces, then he'll get a bigger contract after that.

    I seriously doubt anybody's going to risk a longer term investment at this point in time.

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    MLE maybe ? what teams other then maybe the Kings, Warriors, Magic, Hawks would want him ?
    Riley/Heat on a 1 year veterans minimum.

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    At this point, I would have to say the best thing for the Pacers to do
    would be to fully encourage Tinsley to hang out at Cloud-9, unescorted,
    at 3:00AM, as often as he possibly can.

    I doubt he needs much encouragement. We probably need to hang onto Quis just so he has a partner to run with.

    Isn't there a potential felony conviction for assault out there? Might that void his contract? In any event, we don't need him to get hurt or anything...we just need out of that contract somehow.

    I would think with Baron out and Jack being buds with Tinsley, he would be a great fit in Oakland. Otherwise, GS has to blow it up. PG's are extremely hard to come by and Tinsley fits like a glove there.

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    I wish to donate $5 twards buying out Tinsley.

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    I doubt he needs much encouragement. We probably need to hang onto Quis just so he has a partner to run with.

    Isn't there a potential felony conviction for assault out there? Might that void his contract? In any event, we don't need him to get hurt or anything...we just need out of that contract somehow.

    I would think with Baron out and Jack being buds with Tinsley, he would be a great fit in Oakland. Otherwise, GS has to blow it up. PG's are extremely hard to come by and Tinsley fits like a glove there.
    I thought this had been settled...either nolo contendre with some probation or something to that effect. Unless Jamaal goes out and does something unbelievably serious now, I don't see anyway anybody's voiding his contract.

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    I thought the trumped-up over-hyped charges were thrown out due to lack of evidence and no witnesses that were willing to swear under oath that he actually said something nasty.

    This wasn't Stephen Jackson shooting a gun in a crowded parking lot with dozens of witnesses. This was somebody who might have said, "I'll kill you" during a fight. If that's a felony, just about everybody I saw get in a fight in the halls of Greenwood HS from 1985-88 would also be convicted felons.

    Well. Maybe they are convicted felons by now... but that's a different story.

    Anyway, yes, he should have just said, "I'll kick your @$$" instead of "I'll kill you." There are plenty of reasons for him to be Public Enemy #1 (mostly because the real Public Enemies #1 and #2 play for the Warriors and Kings presently), but this isn't one of them.
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    I thought the trumped-up over-hyped charges were thrown out due to lack of evidence and no witnesses that were willing to swear under oath that he actually said something nasty.

    This wasn't Stephen Jackson shooting a gun in a crowded parking lot with dozens of witnesses. This was somebody who might have said, "I'll kill you" during a fight. If that's a felony, just about everybody I saw get in a fight in the halls of Greenwood HS from 1985-88 would also be convicted felons.

    Well. Maybe they are convicted felons by now... but that's a different story.

    Anyway, yes, he should have just said, "I'll kick your @$$" instead of "I'll kill you." There are plenty of reasons for him to be Public Enemy #1 (mostly because the real Public Enemies #1 and #2 play for the Warriors and Kings presently), but this isn't one of them.
    Well, he actually did kick the guy's ***, but the charges were overhyped. In any case, it's pretty much done except for the probation:

    Jamaal Tinsley, Marquis Daniels Avoid Trial
    03.18.2008 - Updated on 03.18.2008


    Indiana Pacers guards Jamaal Tinsley and Marquis Daniels avoided a trial Monday on charges stemming from a 2007 bar fight.

    Prosecutors agreed to drop all charges if the players stay out of trouble for two years.

    Tinsley faced a felony charge of intimidation, and misdemeanor counts of battery, disorderly conduct and intimidation in the fight at the 8 Seconds Saloon in February 2007. Daniels was charged with battery and disorderly conduct, both misdemeanors.

    "We think this is the appropriate thing," said Tinsley’s attorney, James Voyles, after the 20-minute session in a Marion County court. "We’re grateful and relieved." [ESPN]

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    Could we get Denver to bite on this?

    Three way trade between Denver, NY, and Indy.
    Tinsley to Denver 6.75 and 3 years left on contract.
    Steven Hunter and Chucky Atkins to NY 3.4 each and 1 year and 2 years on contracts.
    Jared Jeffries to Indy 6 x 3 years on contract.

    I think NY would do it b/c Hunter and Atkins are signed for this year and one of the guys is signed for next year at 3.4. They both are off the books in 2010. NY gives up a player they probably don't care about in Jeffries and cuts another 6 million and change off the 2010 payroll in their quest for Lebron or some other superstar in 2010 free agency.

    Denver takes on the craptastic Tinsley and adds approximately 11 million more in total salary over the next 3 years of the contract but they get their legit PG who has potential without giving up any quality players or draft picks. He might fit in well with AI and Melo and the only risk Denver takes is some additional salary. They are the team taking a gamble here though.

    Indy-Dumps crap for crap but at least it gives some depth at pf, a hometown kid, and who knows maybe he blossoms with some playing time and a comfortable situation. Might also help attendance in the short run.

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    Why bring NY into it? If Denver would take that deal, why not deal directly with them?
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    is anyone hearing any trade talks about tinsley...or are we only going to do the buy out ?
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