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    Default Definition of a Franchise Player

    Since they both make about the same amount of money, who would you pick as the definition of a Franchise Player and why.

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    This is an unfair poll to say the least.

    Obviously Manning.

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    Default Re: Definition of a Franchise Player

    Peyton

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    manning - healthy, consistent, stronger worth ethic, and a champion

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    QB is much more prominent position.

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    This is going to be the most lopsided poll in the history of planet Earth.

    You may as well ask everyone what they like to eat more: chocolate ice cream, or poop.


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    Give me the poop.

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    I won't vote in this poll because it's obvious who will win by a landslide and I don't like the idea of JO bashing right after we traded him.

    JO just happens to be a guy who was given franchise money but really only had #2 option talent, and heck he may have blossomed into more if it wasn't for the injuries. You know what, this poll is borderline offensive to me since JO did at least try to be a franchise player for the Pacers and did his damndest to get Reggie a title, so I am voting for him out of spite.
    Last edited by idioteque; 06-25-2008 at 10:13 PM.

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    This is disappointing. I was hoping this would be a discussion about what makes a franchise player. It would be an interesting one, given the draft. How many hope that foundation player can be found with a high pick.

    Who in the NBA has been a francise player over the last three decades?

    Does a great player who leads his team to success, but no title (like Reggie, Patrick, Karl Malone, Charles Barkley) qualify as a franchise player, or is a title a prerequisite.

    Are there all time greats who weren't franchise players? Julius Erving...Scottie Pippen?

    What are the core traits of a franchise player?

    What do they all have in common?

    What are stars who fall short lacking?

    Wow...that could've been a great conversation.

    Instead, it's a "let's jab JO in the eye one last time for old time's sake."

    What a shame.

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    I personally believe that, by default, a franchise player is simply the franchise's MVP.

    JO was our franchise player. Now Danny likely is.

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    This is going to be the most lopsided poll in the history of planet Earth.

    You may as well ask everyone what they like to eat more: chocolate ice cream, or poop.

    Way to insult PD's dung beetle representation...

    And I find this topic to be pretty rude.

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    Oh and up until February 2007 there wasn't much of a difference between JO and Peyton Manning. If the brawl doesn't happen and that Pacers team wins a title this is a totally different conversation.

    Blaming JO for the Pacers problems is a short sighted view of everything that occurred here since November 2004. He wouldn't even be in the top 5 reasons the Pacers are where they are.

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    I don't mind the question, but I don't believe in the concept of a franchise player in a team sport.

    Manning couldn't win a title by himself -- probably couldn't win without Jeff Saturday and certainly couldn't win without Tom Moore.
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    This is going to be the most lopsided poll in the history of planet Earth.
    That's kind of my point. I will always consider Manning a franchise player and never begrudge him being paid like one. I never thought of JO as one and thought it was a joke he was paid Manning money. JO - good guy, good player . . . but not a franchise player.

    And for those offended, this isn't to bash JO. It's merely to illustrate what I think a true franchise player is.
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    I don't believe in the concept of a franchise player in a team sport. Manning couldn't win by himself -- probably couldn't win without Jeff Saturday and certainly couldn't win without Tom Moore.
    True but I doubt those guys could win with Jim Sorgi...which makes Peyton "the franchise" I guess since he makes or breaks the supporting cast. Could they win with all those guys and then a mediocre QB? Hard telling.

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    Peyton Manning on the basis of talent, competitiveness and leadership. To a lesser extent, communication skills and community service. JO scores well on a number of those things, but I think Manning tops JO in most of them, particularly leadership where it's not close.

    Manning has arguably been the most talented player in the NFL during some stretches. He's also led the team to a super bowl victory. He's also achieved greatness for an extended period of time while JO has been injured half his career. Part of being a great player is being durable. JO has failed there notwithstanding it's not his fault.

    Also, while JO may or may not have as much money, he invested in a bar while Manning donated to a children's hospital. I'm sure there are other examples to the contrary, but those do stand out here in Indy.

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    That's kind of my point. I will always consider Manning a franchise player and never begrudge him being paid like one. I never thought of JO as one and thought it was a joke he was paid Manning money. JO - good guy, good player . . . but not a franchise player.
    Well, if you want to get into that, you should be asking who is the better GM, Polian or Walsh. I'd have a hard time turning down JO's salary if the Pacers offered it to me.

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    That's kind of my point. I will always consider Manning a franchise player and never begrudge him being paid like one. I never thought of JO as one and thought it was a joke he was paid Manning money. JO - good guy, good player . . . but not a franchise player.
    I don't know, you give JO a basketball equivalent of Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Joseph Addai, Dallas Clark, Tarik Glenn, Jeff Saturday, and I think he might look a wee bit more like a franchise player.

    Manning isn't a franchise player without those guys. Period. He just isn't. He's a Drew Brees or Carson Palmer without those guys surrounding him.

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    Peyton Manning on the basis of talent, competitiveness and leadership. To a lesser extent, communication skills and community service. JO scores well on a number of those things, but I think Manning tops JO in most of them, particularly leadership where it's not close.

    Manning has arguably been the most talented player in the NFL during some stretches. He's also led the team to a super bowl victory. He's also achieved greatness for an extended period of time while JO has been injured half his career. Part of being a great player is being durable. JO has failed there notwithstanding it's not his fault.

    Also, while JO may or may not have as much money, he invested in a bar while Manning donated to a children's hospital. I'm sure there are other examples to the contrary, but those do stand out here in Indy.
    Peyton Manning is widely regarded as an a-hole, whenever he's out in public. He's not very approachable at all. JO stomps him in that category.

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    Peyton Manning is widely regarded as an a-hole, whenever he's out in public. He's not very approachable at all. JO stomps him in that category.
    Seriously? I've never heard that before, but then again I've never heard of a fan encounter with Manning.

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    I don't know, you give JO a basketball equivalent of Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Joseph Addai, Dallas Clark, Tarik Glenn, Jeff Saturday, and I think he might look a wee bit more like a franchise player.

    Manning isn't a franchise player without those guys. Period. He just isn't. He's a Drew Brees or Carson Palmer without those guys surrounding him.
    He had Reggie Miller, Ron Artest, Stephen Jackson and several other good players. Talent was NEVER the problem with that team.

    I do suppose those players were not the equivalent, however...

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    Peyton Manning is widely regarded as an a-hole, whenever he's out in public. He's not very approachable at all. JO stomps him in that category.
    Even with this *very* questionable assumption, it's still not close.

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    He had Reggie Miller, Ron Artest, Stephen Jackson and several other good players. Talent was NEVER the problem with that team.

    I do suppose those players were not the equivalent, however...
    Marvin Harrison is a top 5 wider receiver of all time. Addai and James were both top 5 backs in the league while with Manning. Wayne is a top 10 wideout in the league and arguable top 5 now. Glenn and Saturday were two of the best offensive linemen in the league, and one of them will almost certainly make their way to Canton.

    JO played with one future hall of famer, Reggie, and that was when Reggie was in his twilight.

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    Even with this *very* questionable assumption, it's still not close.
    I'm not the only one who thinks this. Peyton's a great player. I just don't think he's that approachable, and I know many other people who think the same thing.

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    He had Reggie Miller, Ron Artest, Stephen Jackson and several other good players. Talent was NEVER the problem with that team.

    I do suppose those players were not the equivalent, however...
    And they were the second-best team in the league in 2004 (and arguably the best before the Sheed trade).

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