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    The guy from Cleveland says it might be too much for the Cavs to give up.
    Guess that tells us what they view JO's worth at! When I hear the guys we'd get in exchange, I cringe.
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    Everyone needs to repeat after me. No team will ever take Tinsley - I'll bet anyone any amount of money that the only way to get rid of Tinsley is to buy him out.
    La, la, la, la I can't hear you.

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    La, la, la, la I can't hear you.
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    Everyone needs to repeat after me. No team will ever take Tinsley - I'll bet anyone any amount of money that the only way to get rid of Tinsley is to buy him out.
    Tinsley is radioactive!!
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    Default Re: Ric Beucher on JO trade (update JO to Cavs?) (Update Post #41)

    Tinsley played very well under Mike Brown, and under such a demanding leader like Lebron James, I could really see him turning his life around!

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    Everyone needs to repeat after me. No team will ever take Tinsley - I'll bet anyone any amount of money that the only way to get rid of Tinsley is to buy him out.
    Someone has fallen off the wagon.

    I honestly believe you can trade anyone in the NBA. It may be that we are better off buying Tins out.
    "They could turn out to be only innocent mathematicians, I suppose," muttered Woevre's section officer, de Decker.

    "'Only.'" Woevre was amused. "Someday you'll explain to me how that's possible. Seeing that, on the face of it, all mathematics leads, doesn't it, sooner or later, to some kind of human suffering."

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    Default Re: Ric Beucher on JO trade (update JO to Cavs?) (Update Post #41)

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    When was the last time Ric was right about a trade? I'm just wondering because I'm still waiting for JO to get traded to the Lakers.
    ummm when? try when you spent all last season watching kobe in a bulls uniform.

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    I'm going to post something that I never have before - Pacers probably could trade Foster if the Cavs deal took place.
    wow, dude. you okay?

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    Yep, the Cleveland deal makes infinitely more sense if we can clear Tinsley's contract off the books. Which I think the Cavs could actually get behind the idea.
    snow, varejao, wally, #19 for JO, tinsley? can't say i like it but it makes sense financially.
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    Bucher is reporting a trade between the pacers and Cavs
    could happen.

    I don't like this one at all - will be shocked if this even is seriously discussed

    JO for Wally and Anderson Verajas & 19th pick

    Bucher is on Eddie and Kravitz right now

    JO is the most likely big name to be moved by Thursday night.


    I'm going to post something that I never have before - Pacers probably could trade Foster if the Cavs deal took place.

    I like the deal. It gets JO off the books quickly and I believe Wally's contract expires next year. IMHO, Pacer fans overvalue JO and we are not going to get solid value for him. This is not the year 2003.

    We get younger and start anew. BTW, can we lump Tins in this some how?

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    Exactly. How dare people question the mighty NPH?
    Yeah, you're right.

    He is without doubt every bit as reliable as Ric Bucher.

    (Yes, I AM being sarcastic.)

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    Bucher is reporting a trade between the pacers and Cavs
    could happen.

    I don't like this one at all - will be shocked if this even is seriously discussed

    JO for Wally and Anderson Verajas & 19th pick

    Bucher is on Eddie and Kravitz right now

    JO is the most likely big name to be moved by Thursday night.


    I'm going to post something that I never have before - Pacers probably could trade Foster if the Cavs deal took place.
    Fisrt, thanks for the update UB.

    I'm with you on this. I really don't like that trade.

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    Someone has fallen off the wagon.

    I honestly believe you can trade anyone in the NBA. It may be that we are better off buying Tins out.
    How can you fall off the wagon if you were never on it?

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    Someone has fallen off the wagon.

    I honestly believe you can trade anyone in the NBA. It may be that we are better off buying Tins out.
    Yes, I'm off the wagon. Now is everyone's chance. make your bets now - it's easy money

    Sure, Tinsley is tradeable. If we include Granger we could trade JT for a horrible contract.

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    I like the deal. It gets JO off the books quickly and I believe Wally's contract expires next year. IMHO, Pacer fans overvalue JO and we are not going to get solid value for him. This is not the year 2003.

    We get younger and start anew. BTW, can we lump Tins in this some how?
    In one year, JO becomes a $22 million expiring contract. If he reverts anywhere near to form this year, that's a lot of icing on the cake.

    Trading JO for crap one year before his value would be near it's peak would just be stupid.

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    In one year, JO becomes a $22 million expiring contract. If he reverts anywhere near to form this year, that's a lot of icing on the cake.

    Trading JO for crap one year before his value would be near it's peak would just be stupid.
    How are we going to trade a 22 million contract without taking back a lot of Troy Murphy-quality players/contracts?!!!

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    In one year, JO becomes a $22 million expiring contract. If he reverts anywhere near to form this year, that's a lot of icing on the cake.

    Trading JO for crap one year before his value would be near it's peak would just be stupid.
    Let's just keep the whole team intact from last year with addition of a couple of draft picks!!!!!

    We pray that JO stays healthy (3rd or 4th year in row we will do this) and Tin man as well. Yeah!

    That is just stupid.

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    Yes, I'm off the wagon. Now is everyone's chance. make your bets now - it's easy money

    Sure, Tinsley is tradeable. If we include Granger we could trade JT for a horrible contract.
    No, we could trade Tinsley for an equally or slightly more horrible contract. While nobody has any respect for Tinsley anywhere, we get someone blinded by the towering hatred we have for him here.

    Somewhere else, he's just a bad contract, not Droopy McTinsleberry...and if somebody has a bad contract on a par with Tinsley's with someone they're getting zilch out of, why not take a flyer on Tinsley? They have nothing to lose.

    All that being said, I think it's highly likely that Cleveland would balk at the inclusion of the Tinsley/Snow swap, and I don't know that I'd blame them. I suggested it because I had so little regard for the Wally/Varejao/19 package that I had no problem risking it being torpedoed.

    However, I agree with the poster who said anyone could be traded.

    Tinsley for Gazuric, for Jeffries, Tinsley and Daniels for Zack Randolph, I'm sure I could come up with more...it's all about how much pain you want to absorb coming back.

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    In one year, JO becomes a $22 million expiring contract. If he reverts anywhere near to form this year, that's a lot of icing on the cake.

    Trading JO for crap one year before his value would be near it's peak would just be stupid.
    This is based on the assumptions that (a) he will be healthy and productive this year (which is a huge risk) and (b) that we'll be in position to take back the bloated contracts necessary to fill that $23 million.

    There is absolutely no solid evidence, anywhere, that JO's value will peak next year.

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    How are we going to trade a 22 million contract without taking back a lot of Troy Murphy-quality players/contracts?!!!
    Not be stupid about it?

    There are a lot of players out there that make a lot but are more productive than Murphy or WallyWorld. We can also try to deal with a team under the cap.

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    This is based on the assumptions that (a) he will be healthy and productive this year (which is a huge risk) and (b) that we'll be in position to take back the bloated contracts necessary to fill that $23 million.

    There is absolutely no solid evidence, anywhere, that JO's value will peak next year.
    Teams are offering us deals right now with the thought that "well, if JO is a bust, at least he'll be a huge expiring in a year."

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    Seems to that we'll end up making a pretty similar deal a year from now
    as the ones being kciked around now. A soon to exp contract, a young
    talent, a mid-1st draft pick and filler. The only difference is that w/
    only a year left on J.O.'s deal, we'd see a few other teams trying
    to positin for the 2010 FA Lottery get involved. On the off chance
    that J.O. plays alot and plays well this coming year, we might get
    a bit better young talent and a bit better draft pick.

    That's not far from a wash.

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    Default Re: Ric Bucher on JO trade (update: JO to Cavs??) (Update Post #41)

    I like the Toronto trade 100 times better than the Cleveland trade.

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    I like the Toronto trade 100 times better than the Cleveland trade.

    Me too. Like Unclebuck mentioned if this trade happens Foster is gone, probably for a future 1st round pick.

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    I have to agree with Shade on this issue. Sure discussing trades is fun and I think for many intangible reasons JO needs to be moved and the sooner the better.

    But here is what I posted back in April





    Trading JO this summer, might be the worst move the Pacers ever make

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    I have posted these thoughts before, so I will keep it short and sweet. But after reading Kravitz column, I decided to start a thread on this topic.

    Trading JO this off season would probably be the worst move the Pacers have ever made. Jo's trade value has never and will never be lower than this summer. He has two years left on his deal, so starting around the trade deadline (next February)his trade value increases slightly, and then next summer it increases by the day, and continues to increase each day during the following regular season. (and of course there is always the long shot that perhaps JO can stay a little healthier next season and that will also increase his trade value) The fact of the matter is that JO's trade value will never be any lower than it is right now.

    So of course Kravitz wants the Pacers to trade JO now, and he'll be the first one to criticize the Pacers when a bad deal is made.

    Sure, I think it would be best for the franchise if JO is playing somewhere else next season - but I truly believe in this situation, waiting to trade him in a year or two will help the Pacers franchise in the long run. In fact trading JO at the right time will likely be a more important decision than any draft pick the Pacers take over the next two years.

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    Trading JO this off season would probably be the worst move the Pacers have ever made. Jo's trade value has never and will never be lower than this summer. He has two years left on his deal, so starting around the trade deadline (next February)his trade value increases slightly, and then next summer it increases by the day, and continues to increase each day during the following regular season. (and of course there is always the long shot that perhaps JO can stay a little healthier next season and that will also increase his trade value) The fact of the matter is that JO's trade value will never be any lower than it is right now.
    I believe this to be an assumption based on very little, if any, evidence. A very, very dangerous assumption, at that.

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    Teams are offering us deals right now with the thought that "well, if JO is a bust, at least he'll be a huge expiring in a year."
    That may be at the back of their mind, but the reason there are offers are because teams are gambling on him being productive and (relatively) healthy.

    This argument doesn't work at all for the Cleveland deal, where they'd be taking on about $15mm more in guaranteed contracts, including $14mm additional in 2009-2010.

    The teams that are thinking expiring are NY and NJ, who are trying to foist Zach Randolph or Richard Jefferson on us. Those will get worse if JO spends another injury plagued year. It is very easy to see a point sometime in the next year where JO's maximum value to us comes in simply letting his contract expire and getting it off the books rather than taking back huge, onerous contracts that extend our misery.

    If JO"s sole value becomes as an expiring contract, then the offers we get will make the current rumors look like spun gold.

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    I have to agree with Shade on this issue. Sure discussing trades is fun and I think for many intangible reasons JO needs to be moved and the sooner the better.

    But here is what I posted back in April





    Trading JO this summer, might be the worst move the Pacers ever make

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    I have posted these thoughts before, so I will keep it short and sweet. But after reading Kravitz column, I decided to start a thread on this topic.

    Trading JO this off season would probably be the worst move the Pacers have ever made. Jo's trade value has never and will never be lower than this summer. He has two years left on his deal, so starting around the trade deadline (next February)his trade value increases slightly, and then next summer it increases by the day, and continues to increase each day during the following regular season. (and of course there is always the long shot that perhaps JO can stay a little healthier next season and that will also increase his trade value) The fact of the matter is that JO's trade value will never be any lower than it is right now.

    So of course Kravitz wants the Pacers to trade JO now, and he'll be the first one to criticize the Pacers when a bad deal is made.

    Sure, I think it would be best for the franchise if JO is playing somewhere else next season - but I truly believe in this situation, waiting to trade him in a year or two will help the Pacers franchise in the long run. In fact trading JO at the right time will likely be a more important decision than any draft pick the Pacers take over the next two years.
    Ok Mr. Buck,
    I agree with your assessment of JO, basic business rules are "buy low sell high".
    However, what are the other ramifications besides just having JO be at his lowest trade value ever. I think there are other things to factor in, which I don't really know all the ins and outs of, and could use some help from you guys with.

    The main issue I see is one Danny Granger. Would JO's massive chunk of the Pacer's salary effect resigning him? I don't really think signing anyone else is a huge priority, but that also hinders being able to sign any free agent as well... Would it not be best to try to work out a deal where we can get back a big expiring deal, like Marbury to ensure we have enough cap room to resign Danny and get any nice looking free agents that might be worth pursuing.

    Am I correct seeing JO and Danny's future deal possibly at odds?

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