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    Since Memphis needs a PF, how about Foster for Cardinal and #5? Gives them a solid PF who can play C and is also a good-sized expiring contract.
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    Since Memphis needs a PF, how about Foster for Cardinal and #5? Gives them a solid PF who can play C and is also a good-sized expiring contract.
    yeah because you would trade #11 and Tinsley for Eric Snow, right?
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    yeah because you would trade #11 and Tinsley for Eric Snow, right?
    If their goal is to deal the #5 simply to save money, then this would be good for them. They get rid of a bad contract, and pick up a decent expiring that fills a need temporarily in the process.

    Personally, I think Memphis is nuts to deal the #5 just to get rid of Cardinal anyway, but they did do the Gasol deal, so who knows?
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    yeah because you would trade #11 and Tinsley for Eric Snow, right?
    I don't know...Tinsley would be gone, right? I mean...well, uhh....gee....Tinsley gone?...(They probably shouldn't let me near the phone if Cleveland made that offer. )

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    Despite it not really saying it in the article, I'm pretty sure the potential Grizzlies deals would also include either the Blazers' (#13) or the Suns' (#15) first rounder.

    If it's really on the block, we need to look into acquiring it. At #5, you're guaranteed one of Mayo, Bayless, or Love, three great prospects. I'd offer Quis' expiring and #11, and probably throw in Ike as sweetener.

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    Despite it not really saying it in the article, I'm pretty sure the potential Grizzlies deals would also include either the Blazers' (#13) or the Suns' (#15) first rounder.

    If it's really on the block, we need to look into acquiring it. At #5, you're guaranteed one of Mayo, Bayless, or Love, three great prospects. I'd offer Quis' expiring and #11, and probably throw in Ike as sweetener.
    I'd do that. Then maybe deal Foster for a late first and draft DJ White?
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    I've got to say, I'd love coming out of this draft with Bayless. He looks like a jerk, but it would be a pretty big step up in the backcourt.
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    I've got to say, I'd love coming out of this draft with Bayless. He looks like a jerk, but it would be a pretty big step up in the backcourt.
    Skip Bayless would be a pretty big step up in this backcourt.

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    Of all the mock draft sites/people out there, who historically is the most on-target?

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    Despite it not really saying it in the article, I'm pretty sure the potential Grizzlies deals would also include either the Blazers' (#13) or the Suns' (#15) first rounder.

    If it's really on the block, we need to look into acquiring it. At #5, you're guaranteed one of Mayo, Bayless, or Love, three great prospects. I'd offer Quis' expiring and #11, and probably throw in Ike as sweetener.

    Chris Wallace must love his job right about now.

    I think they must like David Lee as much as Kevin Love which is why they might make that deal........but it would be a disaster at the box office and they would then have to resign Lee after next season or risk losing him which is why they won't do this.

    Eric Gordon doesn't make any sense either unless they really don't like Lopez or Love but even then they should do better than David Lee.

    What could be cool is if we could pull off a Shawne + Foster + #11 for Cardinal + Conley + #5...........that would be popular with Memphis I think since they still have Lowry and Crittenden and could add a big at 11 to go with Shawne.

    we could solve PG for the next decade and still add Love at 5.

    As much as I'd hate to trade away Williams I think I'd rather have Love and Conley than Shawne and DJ.

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    Of all the mock draft sites/people out there, who historically is the most on-target?
    NBAdraft. net, their final mock draft has been pretty accurate the last couple of years.

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    Seriously? I find that shocking considering that before the draft is near, they seem to be pretty "out there" with some of their picks.

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    Chad Ford knows much more what he's talking about than you do. He actually talks to NBA front office personnel while you talk to....well yourself.
    Really? How special.

    I don't mean to be *** here but seriously, the guy does talk to actual NBA people, so I think he knows a little more than you.
    Then he should display that at some point in his life.

    We're still waiting.
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    If their goal is to deal the #5 simply to save money, then this would be good for them. They get rid of a bad contract, and pick up a decent expiring that fills a need temporarily in the process.

    Personally, I think Memphis is nuts to deal the #5 just to get rid of Cardinal anyway, but they did do the Gasol deal, so who knows?
    If the Lakers get their #5, you know the conspiracy will grow. I am the antithesis of a conspiracy theorist, but that deal really makes me wonder...

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    nbadraft.net 2007 Mock Draft http://72.167.32.125/mocks/2007_nba_mock_draft.html

    1. Portland Greg Oden 7-0 257 C Ohio St. Fr.
    2. Seattle Kevin Durant 6-10 215 SF Texas Fr.
    3. Atlanta Al Horford 6-10 244 PF Florida Jr.
    *4. Memphis Mike Conley 6-1 175 PG Ohio St. Fr.
    5. Boston Yi Jianlian 7-0 242 PF China 1984 35.
    6. Milwaukee Jeff Green 6-9 228 SF Georgetown Jr.
    7. Minnesota Joakim Noah 6-11 230 PF Florida Jr.
    8. Charlotte Brandan Wright 6-10 200 PF UNC Fr.
    9. *Chicago Julian Wright 6-8 211 SF Kansas So.
    10. Sacramento Corey Brewer 6-8 185 SF Florida Jr.
    11. *Atlanta Acie Law 6-3 186 PG Texas A&M Sr. 41.
    12. Philadelphia Spencer Hawes 7-0 244 C Wash. Fr.
    13. NewOrleans Nick Young 6-6 206 SG USC Jr.
    14. LA Clippers Al Thornton 6-7 221 SF/PF Florida St. Sr.
    15. *Detroit Marco Belinelli 6-6 200 SG Italy 1986
    16. Washington Javaris Crittenton 6-4 194 PG G.Tech Fr.
    17. New Jersey Rodney Stuckey 6-5 207 SG E. Wash.
    18. Golden St. Thaddeus Young 6-7 210 SF GT Fr.
    19. LA Lakers Rudy Fernandez 6-6 172 SG Spain 1985
    20. Miami Derrick Byars 6-7 225 SG/SF Vand. Sr.
    21. *Philadelphia Jason Smith 7-0 233 PF Colorado St. Jr.
    22. *Charlotte Daequan Cook 6-5 210 SG Ohio St. Fr.
    23. *New York Wilson Chandler 6-7 230 SF DePaul So.
    24. *Phoenix Tiago Splitter 6-11 240 PF Brazil 1985
    25. Utah Josh McRoberts 6-10 240 PF Duke So.
    26. Houston Arron Afflalo 6-5 215 SG UCLA Jr.
    27. Detroit Marc Gasol 7-0 270 C Spain 1985
    28. San Antonio Alando Tucker 6-5 210 SF Wisconsin Sr.
    29. Phoenix Gabe Pruitt 6-4 170 PG USC Jr.
    30. *Philadelphia Sean Williams 6-10 235 PF BC Jr.


    Draftexpress.com 2007 Mock Draft: http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2007

    First Round
    1 Trailblazers Greg Oden C
    20 years old; 7'0"; 257 lbs.
    Ohio State, Freshman

    2 SuperSonics Kevin Durant SF/PF
    19 years old; 6'10"; 215 lbs.
    Texas, Freshman

    3 Hawks Al Horford PF/C
    22 years old; 6'10"; 246 lbs.
    Florida, Junior

    4 Grizzlies Mike Conley Jr PG
    20 years old; 6'1"; 175 lbs.
    Ohio State, Freshman

    5 Celtics Yi Jianlian PF/C
    23 years old; 7'0"; 230 lbs.
    Guangdong Tigers, International

    6 Bucks Jeff Green SF/PF
    21 years old; 6'9"; 228 lbs.
    Georgetown, Junior

    7 Timberwolves Joakim Noah PF/C
    23 years old; 7'0"; 223 lbs.
    Florida, Junior

    8 Bobcats Corey Brewer SF
    22 years old; 6'8"; 185 lbs.
    Florida, Junior

    9 Bulls
    From
    Knicks Spencer Hawes C
    20 years old; 7'1"; 244 lbs.
    Washington, Freshman

    10 Kings Brandan Wright PF
    20 years old; 6'10"; 200 lbs.
    North Carolina, Freshman

    11 Hawks
    From
    Pacers Acie Law PG
    23 years old; 6'4"; 186 lbs.
    Texas A&M, Senior

    12 76ers Al Thornton SF/PF
    24 years old; 6'7"; 221 lbs.
    Florida State, Senior

    13 Hornets Nick Young SG/SF
    23 years old; 6'7"; 206 lbs.
    USC, Junior

    14 Clippers Javaris Crittenton PG
    20 years old; 6'5"; 194 lbs.
    Georgia Tech, Freshman

    15 Pistons
    From
    Magic Rodney Stuckey PG/SG
    22 years old; 6'5"; 207 lbs.
    Eastern Wash., Sophomore

    16 Wizards Julian Wright SF/PF
    21 years old; 6'9"; 211 lbs.
    Kansas, Sophomore

    17 Nets Sean Williams C
    21 years old; 6'10"; 230 lbs.
    Boston College, Junior

    18 Warriors Jason Smith PF/C
    22 years old; 7'0"; 233 lbs.
    Colorado State, Junior

    19 Lakers Rudy Fernández SG
    23 years old; 6'6"; 172 lbs.
    DKV Joventut, International

    20 Heat Thaddeus Young SG/SF
    20 years old; 6'8"; 210 lbs.
    Georgia Tech, Freshman

    21 76ers
    From
    Nuggets Tiago Splitter PF/C
    23 years old; 7'0"; 245 lbs.
    TAU Vitoria, International

    22 Bobcats
    From
    Raptors Daequan Cook SG
    21 years old; 6'6"; 203 lbs.
    Ohio State, Freshman

    23 Knicks
    From
    Bulls Wilson Chandler SF/PF
    21 years old; 6'8"; 210 lbs.
    DePaul, Sophomore

    24 Suns
    From
    Cavaliers Marco Belinelli SG
    22 years old; 6'5"; 192 lbs.
    Climamio Bologna, International

    25 Jazz Morris Almond SG/SF
    23 years old; 6'6"; 215 lbs.
    Rice, Senior

    26 Rockets Nick Fazekas PF/C
    23 years old; 6'11"; 225 lbs.
    Nevada, Senior

    27 Pistons Derrick Byars SG/SF
    24 years old; 6'7"; 215 lbs.
    Vanderbilt, Senior

    28 Spurs Jared Dudley SF/PF
    22 years old; 6'7"; 219 lbs.
    Boston College, Senior

    29 Suns Petteri Koponen PG
    20 years old; 6'5"; 194 lbs.
    Honka Playboys, International

    30 76ers
    From
    Mavericks Josh McRoberts PF/C
    21 years old; 6'10"; 240 lbs.
    Duke, Sophomore



    Actual Draft Order:

    1 Portland Greg Oden - C

    2 Seattle Kevin Durant - SF

    3 Atlanta Al Horford - PF

    4 Memphis Mike Conley - PG

    5 Boston
    Traded to Seattle Jeff Green - SF

    6 Milwaukee Yi Jianlian - PF

    7 Minnesota Corey Brewer - SG

    8 Charlotte
    Traded to Golden State Brandan Wright - PF

    9 Chicago
    from New York Joakim Noah - PF

    10 Sacramento Spencer Hawes - C

    11 Atlanta
    from Indiana Acie Law - PG

    12 Philadelphia Thaddeus Young - SF

    13 New Orleans Julian Wright - SF

    14 Los Angeles Al Thornton - SF

    15 Detroit
    from Orlando Rodney Stuckey - SG

    16 Washington Nick Young - SG

    17 New Jersey Sean Williams - C

    18 Golden State Marco Belinelli - SG

    19 Los Angeles Javaris Crittenton - PG

    20 Miami
    Traded to Philadelphia Jason Smith - PF

    21 Philadelphia
    from Denver; Traded to Miami Daequan Cook - SG

    22 Charlotte
    from Toronto through Cleveland Jared Dudley - SF

    23 NY Knicks
    from Chicago Wilson Chandler - SF

    24 Phoenix
    from Cleveland through Boston; Traded to Portland Rudy Fernandez - SG

    25 Utah Morris Almond - SG

    26 Houston Aaron Brooks - PG

    27 Detroit Arron Afflalo - SG

    28 San Antonio Tiago Splitter - PF

    29 Phoenix Alando Tucker - SF

    30 Philadelphia
    from Dallas through Denver and Golden State; Traded to Portland Petteri
    Koponen - PG

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    Of all the mock draft sites/people out there, who historically is the most on-target?
    I read an article a couple years ago where someone compared all the mocks with the actual drafts. I don't remember who the winner was now. I do remember it wasn't a major site though.

    The 30 mocks that NBA teams come up with are always good. I've read that the Pacers have pegged the 1st round of at least one draft exactly as it went down.

    This year I don't think anyone is going to very accurate. Most of the top players are freshmen with potential, so teams are falling in love with certain players and trying to get them. I think it will be like the trade deadline with a furious furry of trades. There's just too many teams wanting and willing to move up or down to predict.

    Here's a blurb about the nets.

    http://www.netsdaily.com/blog/?p=495
    Kiki Vandeweghe told Dave D’Alessandro a week ago what the final stages are like: “What I typically do is get together with a bunch of teams and compare notes and come up with a mock draft.”

    Wouldn’t they lie to get a competitive advantage?

    “Yes and no,” said Vandeweghe. “If you talk to enough teams, you get a consensus of what everyone thinks everyone is doing — the needs. In a week or so, we’ll get a pretty good idea, a short list of potentially who is going to be there. And then hone down and focus on those guys.”

    Then, the most important mock drafts—the secret ones kept on a wall and in computers at 30 locations around North America—start going up.
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    All of the draft sites - and so-called draft experts like Ford - are just as clueless as we are. Taking them too seriously only results in crazy expectations for mediocre players because their "NBA comparisons" seem perfect.

    I see this particular draft producing one great player and that's it... There are going to be so many busts, IMO. It won't be as lifeless a group as the 2000 class, but it'll be underwhelming.

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    Ford has a second round mock for 6.0 as well that actually has George Hill as our pick at #41.
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    Interesting. Lots of movement here.

    1. Rose
    2. Beasley
    3. Mayo
    4. Westbrooke
    5. Gordon
    6. Gallinari
    7. Bayless
    8. Alexander
    9. Love
    10. Lopez
    11. Augustin
    12. Chalmers
    13. Ajinca
    14. Koufos
    15. Rush
    16. Randolph
    17. Lopez
    18. Arthur
    19. Hibbert
    20. Thompson
    21. Hickson
    22. Speights
    23. McGee
    24. Ibaka
    25. Greene
    26. Tomic
    27. CDR
    28. Jordon
    29. Walker
    30. Lee
    Westbrook over Bayless?????????
    Hibbert over Speights??????????
    Anothony Randolph at 15???????? Bird said that Randolph is the most talented big man in the draft. And how did Love fall so much? People were so high on him lately. He aparently lost like 15 pounds

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    I'd offer Quis' expiring and #11, and probably throw in Ike as sweetener.
    Salaries don't work.
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    yeah because you would trade #11 and Tinsley for Eric Snow, right?

    To be quite honest if it was offered, and I was ownership I'd truly have to think on hard it. My reasoning is as ownership I don't want to have to spend MY MONEY to have to buy Tinjury out, nor am I looking forward to spending MY MONEY on paying his 22 mil salary over the next 3 years. As ownership, I can't afford him creating any more PR nightmares for my franchise either. From a monetary and PR point, I'd have to think REAL HARD on that offer. I'm not saying I'd do it, but I'd take some time to really consider the offer b4 making a decision.

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    Westbrook over Bayless?????????
    Hibbert over Speights??????????
    Anothony Randolph at 15???????? Bird said that Randolph is the most talented big man in the draft. And how did Love fall so much? People were so high on him lately. He aparently lost like 15 pounds

    In Bird's interview, he discussed Arthur not Randolph.

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    Salaries don't work.


    Memphis are under the cap?

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    To be quite honest if it was offered, and I was ownership I'd truly have to think on hard it. My reasoning is as ownership I don't want to have to spend MY MONEY to have to buy Tinjury out, nor am I looking forward to spending MY MONEY on paying his 22 mil salary over the next 3 years. As ownership, I can't afford him creating any more PR nightmares for my franchise either. From a monetary and PR point, I'd have to think REAL HARD on that offer. I'm not saying I'd do it, but I'd take some time to really consider the offer b4 making a decision.

    look, you have to move tinsley but you can't cut off your nose to spite your face. that includes trading your best assets (granger, #11, o'neal) and devaluing them for the sake of moving one player. if it is going to take #11 to move tinsley you just don't do it. it isn't worth it. you move tinsley for anything and everything that is offered in return but not at the cost of destroying your other assets. but losing/devaluing other assets puts the team in much worse shape than if tinsley just stayed.

    trade tinsley for other unappealing contracts like jared jeffries, jerome james, tim thomas... but devaluing your best assets (like three years of cap space if you buy him out, trading a draft pick without getting a pick or anything of value back in return) is never a good idea. use guys like ike and quis to sweeten tinsley for people but not granger or first round picks.


    overall my point was jeff foster under no circumstances is worth the #5 pick. none. that is fourteen types of ridiculous. especially for a team as far away as the grizzlies are from competing.
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    look, you have to move tinsley but you can't cut off your nose to spite your face. that includes trading your best assets (granger, #11, o'neal) and devaluing them for the sake of moving one player. if it is going to take #11 to move tinsley you just don't do it. it isn't worth it. you move tinsley for anything and everything that is offered in return but not at the cost of destroying your other assets. but losing/devaluing other assets puts the team in much worse shape than if tinsley just stayed.

    trade tinsley for other unappealing contracts like jared jeffries, jerome james, tim thomas... but devaluing your best assets (like three years of cap space if you buy him out, trading a draft pick without getting a pick or anything of value back in return) is never a good idea. use guys like ike and quis to sweeten tinsley for people but not granger or first round picks.


    overall my point was jeff foster under no circumstances is worth the #5 pick. none. that is fourteen types of ridiculous. especially for a team as far away as the grizzlies are from competing.
    Your opinion is duely noted, but I stick with my response. It would be a hard decision, but one I'd take much deliberation in making. Being ownership, I couldn't afford Tinsley... salarywise nor possible PRwise. The window of opportnity is closing fast on any GM sticking their neck out to take a chance on Tinsley. I'm not sure at this point any GM would/will take a chance on Tinsley. There comes a time when one has to cut their loss in business or a relationship. You try to do it the cheapest/easiest way you can.

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