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    I would be so happy to HAve JErmaine O'neal In Toronto. Cause I know he's gonna be healthy next year. . .PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE LOL
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    Just watch for Draft night
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    I, for one, feel this is a bad deal for us.

    We have a better version of Rasho in Foster. At least Nester is an expiring, I guess.

    Ford is just as injury-prone as JO, and not nearly as good when both players are at 100%. Plus, you don't gamble on players with back problems.

    If this deal includes the #17, it's still an underwhelming deal for us, unless we get a steal with that pick. If the deal doesn't include the pick, it's highway robbery.

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    Hmm was this "leaked" to push Phoenix into a corner?
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    I am a Pacer fan and endorse this trade.

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    It’s all very tentative and quite up in the air but the Raptors have already investigated the possibility of a blockbuster trade that would net them a veteran – yet expensive – NBA centre.
    JO is already phoning his agent to tell him to inform the Raptors that he will not be called a center no matter how they spell it in Canada.

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    Hmm was this "leaked" to push Phoenix into a corner?
    Don't know that, but I'm starting to think we might see a lot of trades just as we did at last years trade deadline.

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    ewee it's noon...I can't wait to hear ESPN pronounce this trade a "done deal".
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    I'd MUCH rather have Parker than Bargnani.
    You mean the player Bird dropped the ball on while scouting Runi and Maceo. Bird could get a 2nd chance to get Anthony. I've kept my eye on AP ever since he became a Raptor. He should fit well into JOB's system. IIRC, he shoots the 3 at a great %. He's a nice player as a filler pick up.

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    Guys if this deal goes down I think you're going to be disappointed in the amount of games TJ is actually able to play for us with his injury.
    But I would rather have Ford and his salary sitting out games for us and be plus one expiring contract and pick rather than JO missing games at an outrageous salary.


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    Parker is nice. But the thing about Bargnani is that he doesnt like to rebound.
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    Would combining a only just gained #17 pick with our #41 pick to get a little better pick (#12-#14 for example) be "legal" and/or would it be worth it? How much could we maybe move up?
    I don't see why its not legal, I don't know of any rules about JUST obtained picks not being able to be traded. I would wonder if the #41 has enough juice to get up farther, unless you're looking at Portland at 13 who may just want to move out of the 1st round completely. If you have someone you could get at 13 you thought you couldn't at 17 it would be worth it.

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    I might be interested in this if we do get the 17 pick. Until I see someone other than Mike Wells talk about it I wouldn't hold my breath.

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    The Toronto Star confirms rumors:
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    It’s all very tentative and quite up in the air but the Raptors have already investigated the possibility of a blockbuster trade that would net them a veteran – yet expensive – NBA centre.

    According to league sources, Toronto has had talks with the Indiana Pacers about acquiring 29-year-old Jermaine O’Neal for a package that would include T.J. Ford, Rasho Nestervoic and, perhaps, the 17th pick in this week’s draft.

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    Shade-

    I'm no fan of Rasho. But is Foster long for the world in Indy ? He's
    probably our second most attractive asset (to DG). Given that he's
    not likely to be the player he is now 2-4 years from now if and
    when the Pacers are contending again, it makes sense to move
    him with his value at it's peak.

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    If this happens, I would have to really hope we'd take Chalmers with #17. We can't count on a Ford/Diener combo at point.

    Since we would have so many expirings, are there any teams under the cap enough that we could bounce an expiring to for a draft pick? I would like this deal more if we are able to move some other players and pick up more picks. Let's go Portland-style and rebuild this sucker in this year's draft.

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    I don't see why its not legal, I don't know of any rules about JUST obtained picks not being able to be traded. I would wonder if the #41 has enough juice to get up farther, unless you're looking at Portland at 13 who may just want to move out of the 1st round completely. If you have someone you could get at 13 you thought you couldn't at 17 it would be worth it.
    A lot of times what happens is you wait until the team picking first picks - they get who you want they trade the rights to the player they just picked for your pick.

    Sometimes it isn't announced until both teams have selected, so both teams are sure they get what they want. Since rights to unsigned draft picks have the same salary value (zero) as the picks themselves it's a handy way to do business.
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    In my dreams we would turn a deal like this around and start talking to Miami about Granger, #11, #17, #41 and whatever the hell else they could possibly want for Rose.
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    Shade-

    I'm no fan of Rasho. But is Foster long for the world in Indy ? He's
    probably our second most attractive asset (to DG). Given that he's
    not likely to be the player he is now 2-4 years from now if and
    when the Pacers are contending again, it makes sense to move
    him with his value at it's peak.
    Maybe we can move Foster for another draft pick?

    I don't think Nester is the answer here, either. I'd love if we could move him for another pick as well (even a high #2).

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    In my dreams we would turn a deal like this around and start talking to Miami about Granger, #11, #17, #41 and whatever the hell else they could possibly want for Rose.
    Too bad we'd have no team left to put around him.

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    Too bad we'd have no team left to put around him.
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    Don't like the sounds of that. No pick, no deal (but then I'm not the GM am I?)
    That's the media speculation. Colangelo already said he's not that excited about the draft, and wants something to help the team win now. WHich is why I think we can get the 17th pick in this deal
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    I, for one, feel this is a bad deal for us.

    We have a better version of Rasho in Foster. At least Nester is an expiring, I guess.

    Ford is just as injury-prone as JO, and not nearly as good when both players are at 100%. Plus, you don't gamble on players with back problems.

    If this deal includes the #17, it's still an underwhelming deal for us, unless we get a steal with that pick. If the deal doesn't include the pick, it's highway robbery.
    Count me in this same camp. I'd rather keep JO than do this deal.

    If we're going to make a deal, I hope we can somehow convince Chicago to send us Hinrich and Gooden.
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    B Lopez at 11 and Chalmers at 17, maybe?

    or

    Rush and Ajinca?

    Gordon and R Lopez

    How about Lopez and Lopez???

    the possiblities are there for alot of things.
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    [QUOTE=SoupIsGood;739698]But I would rather have Ford and his salary sitting out games for us and be plus one expiring contract and pick rather than JO missing games at an outrageous salary./QUOTE]


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