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    So, theoretically, it's:

    TJ Ford (3yrs 24.8mm)
    Rasho Nesterovic (1 yr, 8.4mm)
    #17 (Hopefully)

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    JO (2yrs, 44.4mm)

    The Raps would have to add about $0.5mm in salaries to make the deal work, and the only guy they have like that is Jamario Moon, but I'm unsure as to how they'd feel about him as a throw in. They could also throw in the $1.9mm contract of Maceo Baston.

    Another option is to agree to the deal, but consummate it after the draft. That way, the contract of the #17 pick (probably about $1.5mm, first year) could be used to match the salaries.

    I know Ford is a risk, but I like this deal if the #17 is included. It gives us relatively young point guard (albeit with injury issues), but he has played over 70 games in the two years prior to this.

    Nesterovic is a nice size expiring, plus a serviceable big man that can play a little defense.

    A second 1st round draft pick in the area where there are a lot of players that we like.

    It also could get us under the luxury tax next year and clear about $12-13 million in salaries for the 2009-2010 season.

    I like this deal...a lot...if the 1st rounder is there.
    I agree. Without the #17 it would be a little hard to swallow. But like a previous poster pointed out, #11 and #17 could end up being Speights/Chalmers or any other combo of solid prospects.
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    Gordon or at 11.
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    Best big man available at 17.

    or

    Best big man availble at 11.
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    Rush () at 17
    That's what I was thinking.

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    I don't think that's legal. You can't trade someone you just signed to a contract like that IIRC.
    You have to wait 30 days for rookie contracts. So, say he's signed to the rookie scale contract on 7/1, then he could be dealt on 7/31.

    It's actually how the Bender deal went down, IIRC.

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    Filler could be Bargnani. Former #1 pick, shooting big man, compared to Dirk. You KNOW Bird likes that....
    I'd MUCH rather have Parker than Bargnani.
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    I don't care if the pacers make this trade, if a point guard is there at 11 and if the scouts and Bird think he is the best player available, they need to take him.

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    On the filler:

    On the good side, it could be Moon ($0.8) or Baston ($1.9), both expiring. They only need $0.5mm to make the deal work.

    I don't think they move a Garbajosa or Parker as filler because (a) they're expiring and (b) they are contributors. I also don't think Bargnani would be in play, but it's not completely out of the realm of possibility.

    On the bad side, they could try to foist Kapono on us (3 yrs, 18mm-ish), which would torpedo a good portion of the financial benefit.

    I think, most likely, it will be Moon or Baston, though.

    I'm really hoping there's some fire to this smoke.

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    I don't care if the pacers make this trade, if a point guard is there at 11 and if the scouts and Bird think he is the best player available, they need to take him.
    The chances of the BPA at 11 being a point guard right now are slim and none.

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    I'd MUCH rather have Parker than Bargnani.
    I would go for Bargnani. Sure, hasn't shown that much yet, but he's a big and those take time and I'm sure the talent evaluators saw more then enough things to give him a high ranking on the draftboards everywhere. Patience is a virtue
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    I would go for Bargnani. Sure, hasn't shown that much yet, but he's a big and those take time and I'm sure the talent evaluators saw more then enough things to give him a high ranking on the draftboards everywhere. Patience is a virtue
    Not to mention, he'd be easy to pawn off on someone else as well.

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    I really hope that if a JO deal is gonna happen, it just happens and doesn't drag on like the Al trade.

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    I really hope that if a JO deal is gonna happen, it just happens and doesn't drag on like the Al trade.
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    If something like this does indeed go down, the Pacers would be swimming with expiring contracts. Foster, Diogu, Daniels, Nesterovic, another Toronto player, Graham. They're all different sizes, too.

    Some of them need to expire to extend Granger, but there's enough there to make a run at someone at the trade deadline.

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    Sure, hasn't shown that much yet, but he's a big and those take time and I'm sure the talent evaluators saw more then enough things to give him a high ranking on the draftboards everywhere.
    He's shown talent. What he hasn't shown is toughness.
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    The Toronto Star confirms rumors:
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    It’s all very tentative and quite up in the air but the Raptors have already investigated the possibility of a blockbuster trade that would net them a veteran – yet expensive – NBA centre.

    According to league sources, Toronto has had talks with the Indiana Pacers about acquiring 29-year-old Jermaine O’Neal for a package that would include T.J. Ford, Rasho Nestervoic and, perhaps, the 17th pick in this week’s draft.

    The talks are not the point where any deal is imminent and a deal is certainly not assured but the source said the Raptors are aggressively trying to move Ford and O’Neal is one of their targets.

    Toronto also still has serious interest in forward Boris Diaw of the Phoenix Suns and is in talks with at least three other teams for trades of a similar magnitude.

    O’Neal is coming off an injury-riddled season in which he played just 42 games and averaged 13.6 points and 6.7 rebounds per game. The 6-11 centre has been working out in Las Vegas since just after the 2007-08 season ended and according to reports has just begun full-court work.

    Obtaining O’Neal will be a huge two-year financial commitment for the Raptors. He’s due to make about $21 million (all figures U.S.) this season and $23 million in 2009-10. To make the trade work under NBA salary cap rules, Toronto would have to add some other pieces in addition to Ford and Nesterovic but they have several less expensive expiring contracts that would make it work.

    But even if the O’Neal trade doesn’t materialize, it does signal just how hard the Raptors are trying to move Ford so they can hand over the starting point guard job to restricted free agent Jose Calderon.

    With Phoenix still in the mix and the other teams having talks with Toronto, it would appear Bryan Colangelo will have plenty of options to sift through before Thursday’s draft.
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    The Toronto Star confirms rumors:
    http://www.thestar.com/sports

    It’s all very tentative and quite up in the air but the Raptors have already investigated the possibility of a blockbuster trade that would net them a veteran – yet expensive – NBA centre.

    According to league sources, Toronto has had talks with the Indiana Pacers about acquiring 29-year-old Jermaine O’Neal for a package that would include T.J. Ford, Rasho Nestervoic and, perhaps, the 17th pick in this week’s draft.

    The talks are not the point where any deal is imminent and a deal is certainly not assured but the source said the Raptors are aggressively trying to move Ford and O’Neal is one of their targets.

    Toronto also still has serious interest in forward Boris Diaw of the Phoenix Suns and is in talks with at least three other teams for trades of a similar magnitude.

    O’Neal is coming off an injury-riddled season in which he played just 42 games and averaged 13.6 points and 6.7 rebounds per game. The 6-11 centre has been working out in Las Vegas since just after the 2007-08 season ended and according to reports has just begun full-court work.

    Obtaining O’Neal will be a huge two-year financial commitment for the Raptors. He’s due to make about $21 million (all figures U.S.) this season and $23 million in 2009-10. To make the trade work under NBA salary cap rules, Toronto would have to add some other pieces in addition to Ford and Nesterovic but they have several less expensive expiring contracts that would make it work.

    But even if the O’Neal trade doesn’t materialize, it does signal just how hard the Raptors are trying to move Ford so they can hand over the starting point guard job to restricted free agent Jose Calderon.

    With Phoenix still in the mix and the other teams having talks with Toronto, it would appear Bryan Colangelo will have plenty of options to sift through before Thursday’s draft.
    Whats a centre? Freakin' syrup drinkers.

    Anyways, there definetely appears to be some fire here.

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    He's shown talent. What he hasn't shown is toughness.
    True, but maybe give the young man a little time. Dirk took awhile, Rik took awhile. I think they both panned out well. Not saying Bargnani will be nearly as good as them just that big men take more time to develop and it seems especially if they are Euro's.
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    I really like TJ, you just wonder about durability at his size. But he has to be one of the quickest guys in the league.

    Rasto is good in an uptempo offense, but he's more valuable as that expiring contract.

    17 pick is what I'm really excited about, you get something nice there this year, maybe thats Ajinca or a Speight/Arthur.

    If you have the 11 and 17 you can really do alot of things, maybe even move up. The very least I think in this draft you can get two rotation quality guys down the line.

    I think this is either almost true, or maybe it's last call.

    Give us your best trade offer now because we are moving JO Thursday, no more BS trade offers.

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    Whats a centre? Freakin' syrup drinkers.

    Anyways, there definetely appears to be some fire here.
    I love syrup ay
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    True, but maybe give the young man a little time. Dirk took awhile, Rik took awhile. I think they both panned out well. Not saying Bargnani will be nearly as good as them just that big men take more time to develop and it seems especially if they are Euro's.
    Bargnani seems more like Tskitishvili than Nowitski.
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    According to league sources, Toronto has had talks with the Indiana Pacers about acquiring 29-year-old Jermaine O’Neal for a package that would include T.J. Ford, Rasho Nestervoic and, perhaps, the 17th pick in this week’s draft.
    Perhaps? Without the pick, the deal isn't worth anything.

    If we're desperate to move one player, it should be Tinsley, not Jermaine.
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    I really like TJ, you just wonder about durability at his size. But he has to be one of the quickest guys in the league.

    Rasto is good in an uptempo offense, but he's more valuable as that expiring contract.

    17 pick is what I'm really excited about, you get something nice there this year, maybe thats Ajinca or a Speight/Arthur.

    If you have the 11 and 17 you can really do alot of things, maybe even move up. The very least I think in this draft you can get two rotation quality guys down the line.

    I think this is either almost true, or maybe it's last call.

    Give us your best trade offer now because we are moving JO Thursday, no more BS trade offers.
    Would combining a only just gained #17 pick with our #41 pick to get a little better pick (#12-#14 for example) be "legal" and/or would it be worth it? How much could we maybe move up?
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    I really hope that if a JO deal is gonna happen, it just happens and doesn't drag on like the Al trade.
    God that was awful.

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    Perhaps? Without the pick, the deal isn't worth anything.

    If we're desperate to move one player, it should be Tinsley, not Jermaine.
    I totally aggree with the above.

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    Bargnani seems more like Tskitishvili than Nowitski.
    Well Dirk wasn't that great when he came into the league either . I think he will be a nice center actually. Not a Bynum or something, but subtop at his position at worst.

    Just my offcourse.
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    God that was awful.
    Yeah, I'm not sure I could maintain my sanity if that happens again. My work performance is already at an all time low.

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    Please let it be true and let it actually happen.
    This was my initial gut reaction.

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