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    Hah.

    I'd like this trade if for no other reason it gets my Dad very upset. I have to hear him joke about JO's injury problems, inconsistency, and albatross contract on a daily basis. He would absolutely go on suicide watch if JO was in a Raptors uniform.
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    The Celtics won a title with Rondo at point, so I wouldn't say never. Ford is solid.
    I was gonna say the same thing but substitute Avery Johnson & the Spurs.
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    Wait, we can't trade JO til after a certain date anyway right? So I think these rumors with picks involved are probably a whole lotta crap.
    These trades can happen and be reported on draft night, but just not officially happen until July. I think it would be where it's "done", ESPN would report it as "done", but the NBA might not announce it at the podium because it's not official.

    Or..... JO may have already signed off on not opting out, and once that happens I think he can be traded early. Maybe.

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    With JO's knee now fully healed and his warrior determination to help lead a team to a championship, Toronto would be an excellent destination for him. With a Bosh and JO frontline Toronto would have a formidable 1-2 punch to get them to the ECF's and an excellent shot of getting past Boston.

    Toronto would be foolish not to do this deal.

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    I agree.

    Is this the first time Mike Wells has reported a possible trade like this? I don't remember the last time he did. Hopefully that means it's more likely.
    I don't remember him reporting something like this - although he might have right before one of the trades actually did take place. So I trust Wells that there are advanced discussions of this trade. But I would guess it won't be made until the draft takes place, as the pacers might back out if the player they want is gone at 17. Although I suppose they could do the trade and just take their chances.

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    With JO's knee now fully healed and his warrior determination to help lead a team to a championship, Toronto would be an excellent destination for him. With a Bosh and JO frontline Toronto would have a formidable 1-2 punch to get them to the ECF's and an excellent shot of getting past Boston.

    Toronto would be foolish not to do this deal.

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    Default Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

    Guys if this deal goes down I think you're going to be disappointed in the amount of games TJ is actually able to play for us with his injury.

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    Eh.. An interesting deal, I guess. Sure doesn't thrill me, but I wouldn't PFFL either. Not sure I wouldn't rather just wait JO out.

    EDIT: Although I'm looking at salaries for Toronto and Parker would finish the trade nicely. Jermaine for Parker/Rasho/Chalmers? We could do worse.
    Filler could be Bargnani. Former #1 pick, shooting big man, compared to Dirk. You KNOW Bird likes that....

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    After reconsidering its tough to see the Pacers winning in the playoffs with Ford at the point simply because its tough to see Ford sustaining some of the hits dished out in the playoffs this year and continuing to get back up. So I suppose Buck's comment holds some weight. We could do a lot worse than this deal though and I like it more than the Cavs deal.

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    Default Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

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    Filler could be Bargnani. Former #1 pick, shooting big man, compared to Dirk. You KNOW Bird likes that....
    Hehe, I would like that, but, that's not going to happen .
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    Filler could be Bargnani. Former #1 pick, shooting big man, compared to Dirk. You KNOW Bird likes that....
    I know the Raptors aren't thrilled with him, but there is no way they will include him in this trade.

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    With JO's knee now fully healed and his warrior determination to help lead a team to a championship, Toronto would be an excellent destination for him. With a Bosh and JO frontline Toronto would have a formidable 1-2 punch to get them to the ECF's and an excellent shot of getting past Boston.

    Toronto would be foolish not to do this deal.

    Well then maybe we should trade him to Cleveland for Lebron James

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    Default Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

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    Filler could be Bargnani. Former #1 pick, shooting big man, compared to Dirk. You KNOW Bird likes that....
    I'd take Bargnani. He's nothing special, but he's definetly a valuable piece you could possibly flip onto another team. Although I doubt, Toronto would part with him in this deal. It would leave their bench kind of thin.

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    Default Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

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    Filler could be Bargnani. Former #1 pick, shooting big man, compared to Dirk. You KNOW Bird likes that....
    I don't think the Raps would cough him up so easily. Sure, he's been somewhat disappointing, but he's had some good games as well and will probably be too solid of a player in this league to ever be considered "filler" until he gets old and starts to decline. He could be a valuable option if he ever gains consistency. I see him as a Lamar Odom type talent and while that's not what you expect of a #1 pick it's not chopped liver that you send away either.
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    Filler could be Bargnani. Former #1 pick, shooting big man, compared to Dirk. You KNOW Bird likes that....
    I don't think they're going to give up on him this soon.

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    I'm not a huge fan of this deal, but not completely against it either. I guess I am just optimistic that JO will return to his old form......wishful thinking I know.

    I would do the deal if it was expanded to include one of the following.

    1.) Toronto takes Tinsley and we get back an expiring like Garbajosa.
    2.) We throw in Shawne and fluff (2nd rounder, cash, etc.) and they toss in Bargnani.
    3.) A future 1st is included.

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    So, theoretically, it's:

    TJ Ford (3yrs 24.8mm)
    Rasho Nesterovic (1 yr, 8.4mm)
    #17 (Hopefully)

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    JO (2yrs, 44.4mm)

    The Raps would have to add about $0.5mm in salaries to make the deal work, and the only guy they have like that is Jamario Moon, but I'm unsure as to how they'd feel about him as a throw in. They could also throw in the $1.9mm contract of Maceo Baston.

    Another option is to agree to the deal, but consummate it after the draft. That way, the contract of the #17 pick (probably about $1.5mm, first year) could be used to match the salaries.

    I know Ford is a risk, but I like this deal if the #17 is included. It gives us relatively young point guard (albeit with injury issues), but he has played over 70 games in the two years prior to this.

    Nesterovic is a nice size expiring, plus a serviceable big man that can play a little defense.

    A second 1st round draft pick in the area where there are a lot of players that we like.

    It also could get us under the luxury tax next year and clear about $12-13 million in salaries for the 2009-2010 season.

    I like this deal...a lot...if the 1st rounder is there.

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    Well then maybe we should trade him to Cleveland for Lebron James
    I'm sure it's being discussed. Just another reason for Toronto to act quickly before TPTB get a complete picture of a healthy JO's renewed value and start realizing what these other teams will be offering.

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    I know they probably won't part with Bargz, just thought I'd make everyone aware that his salary could work into the deal. I wouldn't mind adding to get him, depending on who it is. Ike or Shawne maybe?

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    With JO's knee now fully healed and his warrior determination to help lead a team to a championship, Toronto would be an excellent destination for him. With a Bosh and JO frontline Toronto would have a formidable 1-2 punch to get them to the ECF's and an excellent shot of getting past Boston.

    Toronto would be foolish not to do this deal.



    You forgot to say, "especially with Jermaine's exceptional team leadership and locker room presence."
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    Another option is to agree to the deal, but consummate it after the draft. That way, the contract of the #17 pick (probably about $1.5mm, first year) could be used to match the salaries.
    I don't think that's legal. You can't trade someone you just signed to a contract like that IIRC.

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    I'm sure it's being discussed. Just another reason for Toronto to act quickly before TPTB get a complete picture of a healthy JO's renewed value and start realizing what these other teams will be offering.

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    I actually heard there is a three team deal in the works where the Pacers get Lebron James and Chris Paul, the Hornets get Jermaine's shorts, and the Cavs get Jermaine's shoes! Just the items he comes in contact with are going for an amazing value! JO for Ford, Rasho and the 17 would be an outright steal!


    On a serious note, its tough to see Bird agreeing to this without the 17 being included. Especially because he already hinted at trying to get a second pick.

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    You forgot to say, "especially with Jermaine's exceptional team leadership and locker room presence."
    Very true. I also forgot to mention his playoff experience. An All-Star player with playoff experience like JO would add a lot to the Raptors. JO is also a defensive machine with excellent shot-blocking skills and an uncanny ability to get into position to take charges. Add that to his already solid offensive game, including his improved passing out of the post, and you have the potential to be seeing a basketball juggernaut being built just north of the border.

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    If we get Ford I'm interested to see who we get at 11. Are we getting two bigs? Or a big and a SG? Should be an interesting draft day for Pacers fans (finally)....

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    If we get Ford I'm interested to see who we get at 11. Are we getting two bigs? Or a big and a SG? Should be an interesting draft day for Pacers fans (finally)....
    Gordon () at 11.
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    Best big man available at 17.

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    Best big man availble at 11.
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