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Jermaine O'Neal heading to Toronto for T.J. Ford, #17 pick. Pacers get Baston, give up pick #41

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  • Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

    Originally posted by rommie View Post
    Why oh why do the Pacers do this trade?

    I mean, why do people act like we HAVE to get rid of Jermaine? We don't. Sure it could be nice for both the Pacers and Jermaine. Maybe Larry doesn't like Jermaine but that doesn't mean you can make a bad trade.

    Look this trade does NOT help our salary situation. Jermaine's contract runs two more years. That isn't very long at all.

    In this particular trade we are going to be left with TJ Ford and Jamaal Tinsley as our point guards? That is a lot of money for two average NBA point guards.

    I do really like Ford but between his contract, lack of defense, injury concern, and the fact that we still have Jamaal (unless he is traded somehow or bought out) that is a bad trade.

    We are better off to just draft DJ Augistin. I think that DJ can be ATLEAST as good as TJ is. Plus he is much cheaper so in the event that we can't trade Jamaal or don't buy him out at least we aren't paying a backup point guard 6+ million a year.

    I'm not against trading Jermaine but this just isn't the right deal at all. If we are able to get rid of Jamaal, maybe this Toronto trade wouldn't be so bad depending on exactly who we get. But as of right now I don't like it one bit.
    Tinsley is a completely separate situation. I'm sure they're looking at moving him, but probably recognize that this is spent money.

    This trade does help our salary situation. If it's done with minimal filler (consummated later this summer), it would allow us to have 15 players on the roster and stay under the likely luxury tax threshhold.

    If the fillers are expirings, like Moon or Baston, then if the team lets Rasho and the filler walk at the end of next season, we'd have $12-13 million less in contracts in 2009-2010.

    Yes, we would be signed on for $8.3 mm on Ford in 2010-2011, which would bump our guaranteed contracts that year, we have significant room (at this point).

    Again, I don't think they're going to try to attach Droopy to any JO deal. While I agree that we don't have to move JO, this is good value for him, particularly if Ford stays healthy.

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    • Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

      Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
      The last player in the NBA I want is Z - no thanks
      Is Z's slowness that bad that he couldn't fit into the offense/defense in some way?

      Getting Z and Varajeo would mean that we would significantly improve our offensive rebounding....something that I think is as important in the type of "shoot and likely miss as many shots as we can" offense. The more offensive rebounders we have on the floor...the better chance we have at getting 2nd chance opportunities when we miss the many FGs that we attempt.

      If anything....having a frontcourt of Murphy/Foster/Z/Varajeo would allow us some flexibility to spread out the # of minutes evenly among the 4 of them at the PF/C rotation while allowing us to matchup well against other teams.

      As much of a benefit there is to getting a true PG that can properly run the show like Ford.....I can see as much benefit to have a very solid Frontcourt if not more durable one that completely dominates on the offensive rebounding end.
      Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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      • Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

        Originally posted by count55 View Post
        The Varajeo/Z/19 would actually put us at about $50mm in guaranteed salaries in 2009-2010, not $43million. It' s not a huge difference, but in that season, the Toronto deal brings us $8.3mm (Ford), while Z & Sideshow Bob combine for about $17.8mm in the Cleveland deal. The $7 mm is more than a full MLE, so it could mean a player.
        Varajeo has a Player option in the 2009-2010 season....I'm going under the assumption that he will likely opt out since he wasn't too happy about being matched by the Cavs when he became a Restricted FA in the 2007-2008 season. My hope is that we resign him...worse comes to worse....he just becomes another Expiring Contract after the 2009-2010 season if we can't resign him.
        Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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        • Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

          This isn't the best trade for JO, but I'd be okay with it.

          I highly doubt the Pacers would still draft DJ Augustin though. What's the point in having 2 diminutive PG's? More than likely, they'd take Speights or Anthony Randolph at #11, and Chalmers at #17.

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          • Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

            Originally posted by Bball View Post
            Too slow on the draw ABADays! I couldn't let that one slip by when I saw it
            It's the time difference I tell ya.
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            • Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

              Originally posted by Indy View Post
              So its dead.
              DW isn't here anymore...

              I think Larry wouldn't give a if it's leaked... if he wants to get a deal done he will keep working on it...
              "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears

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              • Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

                Originally posted by CableKC View Post


                If anything....having a frontcourt of Murphy/Foster/Z/Varajeo would allow us some flexibility to spread out the # of minutes evenly among the 4 of them at the PF/C rotation while allowing us to matchup well against other teams.
                4? Isn't Ike a Pacer?

                The thing about this trade is Ike is going into his 4th year in the NBA which is a make or break year for Ike, so where does Ike fit into your scenario?

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                • Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

                  Originally posted by PR07 View Post
                  This isn't the best trade for JO, but I'd be okay with it.

                  I highly doubt the Pacers would still draft DJ Augustin though. What's the point in having 2 diminutive PG's? More than likely, they'd take Speights or Anthony Randolph at #11, and Chalmers at #17.
                  With Ford's new mock draft, it could be reversed with Chalmers at 11 and Speights at 17.

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                  • Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

                    Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                    4? Isn't Ike a Pacer?

                    The thing about this trade is Ike is going into his 4th year in the NBA which is a make or break year for Ike, so where does Ike fit into your scenario?
                    Ike doesn't fit into my scenario....I just don't think that he will be a part of the future of the Pacers cuz he doesn't fit into JO'Bs offense ( much less defense ) and will likely be shopped ( if he hasn't already been ) or let to go on the FA market in the 2009-2010 season.

                    As for the 4th year being his "make or break year"....wasn't the same said about his 3rd year especially with JONeal sitting out for a third of the season?
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                    • Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

                      Just about everyone i know is sick of Jermaine O'Neal here in indy, the guy can not stay healthy at all. If we could pick up another draft pick for this years draft, a decent player in Ford....and free up some much needed cap space. I would do it without a question.
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                      • Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

                        I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop:

                        IOW- JO coming on the news and telling how he's decided to have some type of knee surgery or talk about taking a break from his rehab because his knee is bothering him and there's more important things in life than basketball....

                        Does anyone want to put odds on that or odds on him reiterating he's not a center?

                        -Bball
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                        • Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

                          Originally posted by Bball View Post
                          I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop:

                          IOW- JO coming on the news and telling how he's decided to have some type of knee surgery or talk about taking a break from his rehab because his knee is bothering him and there's more important things in life than basketball....

                          Does anyone want to put odds on that or odds on him reiterating he's not a center?

                          -Bball
                          How do you live like this?...

                          I don't know if I'm more fearful of TJ Ford's health or JO's. The only good thing I see about that trade is that more than 1/2 of our payroll would be tied to relatively healthy players.

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                          • Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

                            yaaaaaaaaay! Hey Bird why not just trade JO for kwame brown and a future draft pick and cash? Lets just give him away!
                            "GIMMIE DAT!"-DANGER

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                            • Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

                              Originally posted by Bball View Post
                              I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop:

                              IOW- JO coming on the news and telling how he's decided to have some type of knee surgery or talk about taking a break from his rehab because his knee is bothering him and there's more important things in life than basketball....

                              Does anyone want to put odds on that or odds on him reiterating he's not a center? If it's not someplace he wants to go, he will definately do it.

                              -Bball
                              Pass, not with JO's history.

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                              • Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

                                I have mixed feeling about this deal but it could allow the pacers to do future deals with all the expiring deals we would have! I also think that Kosta Koufos is the number 11 pick if this trade happens. I like him as the pick because he is only 19 and 7-1 265. Per espn "Skilled big man with excellent size, length and good body. Has a 7-foot-4 inch wingspan. Has great strength and good, but not great athleticism for his size. Has offensive skills both inside and out. Nice moves and footwork in the paint. Excellent midrange shooter with very consistent range out to 18 feet. Has 3-point range as well, but is much more streaky from there. He lacks the explosiveness to be an elite shot-blocker, but his timing is good. Decent rebounder. Good passer out of double-teams. Is pretty mobile for a big man. Needs polish and experience. Can be a disinterested defender at times. Lacks aggressiveness at times. Lacks lateral quickness. Can sometimes lose his confidence and then his game falls apart. Needs to be able to handle contact in the paint better." I see more upside to his game plus he is so young. The reports are he has shown great improvement in his work outs. I also think the OSU team was not nearly the same team guard wise as last year so he did not shine this year. I think he could be a good player! I also see Robin Lopez, Darrell Arthur or Roy Hibbert as the 17th pick. Bird has always like size and if they get 2 picks they are going big.

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