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    Editor's Note: Larry Bird met with the media after the Pacers' final scheduled pre-draft workout on June 19 and shared his thoughts about the prospects as well as his hopes for the June 26 NBA Draft. What follows is a transcript of that session.
    Q. Big guys and point guards still the focus?
    A. “Yeah, it’s according to what we do in other things but you always look at big guys and we need points so it has to be an emphasis, no question.”

    Q. I know you don’t want to show your hand but are there some of these guys that have stepped up and maybe opened your eyes these last few weeks?
    A. “Well, it’s always better to bring them in here and work them out the way that we think they can play, if they can get up and down and defend. It’s always better to see them in person. I have a good feeling of who we’re going to take right now and we think he’ll be there.”

    Q. Is he a point guard or a big guy?
    A. “He’s one of the two.”

    Q. Larry, do you feel like there’s one position more important over the other, or do you feel like you need a point guard more than you need a big man?
    A. “Not really. We’ll take the best player available. A guy that can help us out right now.”

    Q. How much weight do you put on the workout—
    A. “I’ve put on quite a bit lately.”

    Q. What do you think (about) their body of work throughout college or how much does this weigh when they come in here personally?
    A. “It’s good to see them up close and in your own arena. These guys have been scouted. We’ve been scouting them all year long. If a guy has a bad day, you just shake it off and move on.”

    Q. Larry, how much do you look into character? Not just the on-court work, do you check with friends? Do you check with coaches? Do you do that kind of homework as well?
    A. “Oh yeah, we do it all. We talk to a lot of people. We’ve got guys out there doing background checks and it’s a little different than it used to be.”

    Q. Did you hear Jeff Van Gundy talking about you the other night on the broadcast?
    A. “No.”

    Q. Somebody said that you’re a Celtic and that you’ll always be a Celtic and he said ‘No, he’s a Pacer, that’s what his paycheck says.’
    A. “Well, I’m a Pacer. I played out there but I’m happy where I’m at.”

    Q. Do you feel like you can get the player you want? Are you guys looking to trade up or do you feel like 11 is going to be where it’s at?
    A. “Well, there’s going to be a heck of a player at (pick) 11. There’s no question about that. We’ve talked to a number of teams about different scenarios but we’ve got some things in the works so if we can get another pick that would be just great. We’re looking at all options.”

    Q. Do you think there’s a chance you’ll move up?
    A. “We possibly could but I like 11. I like a lot of places but whoever we get is going to help us. He’s going to be a good player.”

    Q. When you look at this thing, do you feel like it’s turning into more of a point guard league? When you look at some of the top players in the league, it’s more point guard oriented over big men?
    A. “Well, there’s a lot of good point guards in the league right now. There’s no question that it’s a very critical position. We look at all of the point guards, but we’ll take the best player available whether it’s a point, a swingman, or a big man. We’d like to have another pick in this draft and that’s what we’re trying to get right now.”

    Q. Do you feel like the point guard position is even more vital the way Jim (O’Brien) plays offensively and defensively?
    A. “Well, if you don’t have a real strong point guard, you have to have a good off-guard. I always like to have two guards out there that can handle the ball. The way Jimmy plays, anyone can bring it up and start the offense. It’s important to have a solid starter at the point. The way Jimmy plays, quickness and up-tempo, as long as you have a good two guard out there with him.”

    Q. The player you’re looking at, do you feel like you’re pretty confident he’ll be at 11?
    A. “Oh, yes. Yes.”

    Q. The fact that (Russell) Westbrook (UCLA) didn’t come, does that compromise your interest in him at all?
    A. “Not really, we’ve seen enough of him. Like I said, we’d like to have them all come through here. (J.J.) Hickson (NC State) didn’t come. Guys that showed up (today) here, this has been our best workout as far as number of guys we’ve had in here. They really played hard and did a good job.”

    Q. Is there a reason why Westbrook didn’t come?
    A. “He’s been hurt. We’ll probably get him in here early next week.”

    Q. What’s your take on Mike Green from Butler?
    A. “I like Mike. He’s scrappy, he’s smart and every time he steps on the court he does some good things.”

    Q. George Hill from IUPUI was in here last week. Your thoughts on him?
    A. “George Hill played very well. I don’t know where he’ll go in the draft but he’ll have a job, no question about it. (He’s) very skilled.”

    Q. What do guys have a chance to show in workouts like this that maybe they can’t show in their college setting because they have to do certain things to help that team win?
    A. “Right. Here, you can see how athletic they are whereas a lot of places they play in college, some of the teams are so good that kids can’t really do the things they want to do (like) one-on-one and pick-and-pop. Coaches want them to stay down low. You see a number of players come through here that are a lot more athletic than we really thought they are because they were in a structured offense.”

    Q. Larry, a lot of the analysts and mock draft types, basically (have) it down to Westbrook and Augustin for you guys at 11. Would you have a surprise for them or is that a reasonable forecast?
    A. “We’ll see. We’ll know next Thursday. All I know is that we’re going to get a good player. I can guarantee that.”

    Q. What do you take away from some of the guys that come through here that aren’t necessarily first-round draft picks and may be free agents or summer team guys? How seriously do you look at them and how do you evaluate those kind of guys?
    A. “Yeah, we will. We think they’re very important. The last couple of years, we’ve had guys we sent overseas. We’re at 41 this year in the second round and we feel we’ll get a player that has the possibility of making our team. We’re looking hard at it. We’re looking at a lot of guys. We feel we can get a player there that could help us down the road.”

    Q. How good is this draft?
    A. “I think it’s a great draft. The top 20 picks, there’s players that are going to step in and play right away.”

    Q. When you say play right away, are you talking starters or..?
    A. “I don’t know about starting but they’ll play a lot of minutes.”

    Q. Larry, you’ve had a lot of prominent big guys (work out), McGee, Jordan, Hibbert now and Arthur; how do you break down and analyze that group?
    A. “They’re all very talented big guys. This (Darrell) Arthur is a man. He’s good. The other guys played very well. Obviously, he didn’t play against the other guys. They were all here together but Arthur’s probably got the most skill of any of them. There’s no question.”

    Q. All things being equal, do you lean towards experience and players that are more ready to step in or are you more interested in potential?
    A. “Well, I’m ready for a guy to step in and play. We’d like to have him three or four years (in college) but there’s some players that come through here with one year of college and have gone on to make a really big impact in this league. I really feel that the eleventh pick, we’re going to get a heck of a player and he’s going to help us.”
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    My decoder rings says he's targeting Augustin, and they're trying to make a deal for a second pick between 12-20.
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    funny mine says they're getting one in the 20s too but for Hill...

    going big at 11.


    augustin has defensive liabilities and one key point the Ps struggle with is perimeter defense/containment of dribble penetration. DJ does nothing for that.

    Would love to deal with seattle and land Bayless for Augustin though...

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    My decoder rings says he's targeting Augustin, and they're trying to make a deal for a second pick between 12-20.
    I have a good feeling of who we’re going to take right now and we think he’ll be there
    "A lot of places in college, teams are so good the kids can't do things they want, whether it's one-on-one, pick and pop. Coaches want them to stay down low. We've seen a number of players come through here that are lot more athletic than we thought they were because they were in a structured offense."
    Koufos shows up on my decoder and I don't like it. Could he really have made that much of an impression in workouts? Sure seems like Bird has already excused players for how they were "stuck" in their college system.

    Of course T'Bird's view on Speights also comes to mind since he did suggest that the FLA system limited his ability to prove himself out. However Bird also talks about being asked to go into the low block RATHER THAN playing more to the outside.

    So what big was asked to post up but the Pacers like his ability to play the outside? Back to Koufos perhaps.

    If so then Bird better be 100% right and it better show within 2 years or he'll have done himself in IMO.

    That makes me think he's targeting Arthur.
    The only issue there is that Arthur's strength is his low post ability, it's not like KS made him play down there against his will or ability. Now I'm a huge fan of Arthur due to the tight polish on his low post game and overall well-rounded play. Size is the only issue with him. I have little doubt he impressed the heck out of the Pacers.

    But I still think Koufos. Wonder if they are going to try to trade down AND back in at the same time, maybe give the 11th to someone, a player to Portland, and get the 13th and someone's later pick, plus someone like Jack. The team losing the lower pick might get another young player from Portland. Seems likely that Koufos would be there at 13...unfortunately.

    Cross fingers for Arthur (and a few others) and prepare for disappointment.
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    Default Re: Pacers.com: Bird hints at possible moves in NBA Draft

    what if larry gets speights AND koufos?

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    Koufos shows up on my decoder and I don't like it.
    Not showing up on mine. Larry said he's wanting someone that can step in and contribute right away. Does anyone think Koufos (hypothetically) is able to do that? From all accounts, even the good ones, he's a couple years away.

    I'll be the first to say that Larry's looking at a guard. I think he's going for Augustin.

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    Not showing up on mine. Larry said he's wanting someone that can step in and contribute right away. Does anyone think Koufos (hypothetically) is able to do that? From all accounts, even the good ones, he's a couple years away.

    I'll be the first to say that Larry's looking at a guard. I think he's going for Augustin.
    Yeah, but he can't contribute ever so that doesn't work either.


    Sheesh, there is no way I should be so snarky on DJ. He might make it but I think he's a big risk, a forced pick that early (same with Rush).
    I don't dislike Rush, but is he really a 2????
    What? What else would he be. He's got a great outside shot, he's quick enough to be put on Curry during the tourney and fair alright, and he basically played the perimeter all the time for KS. It just happened that KS ran a lot of 3 guard sets, often with 2 PGs which let Chalmers roam more for his own shot and kept a ton of speed on the court.

    Rush is more classic NBA SG than Westbrook is IMO. My issue is just that I don't think he's top 11 skilled as a SG.

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    What? What else would he be. He's got a great outside shot, he's quick enough to be put on Curry during the tourney and fair alright, and he basically played the perimeter all the time for KS. It just happened that KS ran a lot of 3 guard sets, often with 2 PGs which let Chalmers roam more for his own shot and kept a ton of speed on the court.

    Rush is more classic NBA SG than Westbrook is IMO. My issue is just that I don't think he's top 11 skilled as a SG.
    I suppose, if he can guard twos is all I was concerned about. I was just wondering if he was more of a 3, who maybe didn't have the foot speed to guard shooting guards. We have enough of those players.

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    I've got a feeling if we trade to get another late first round pick, we will trade it off for something else. I don't know, I just have a feeling.

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    ...we’ll take the best player available whether it’s a point, a swingman, or a big man.
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    Dude, when you're in the Pacers position, the chief objective is to acquire talent. If the best player available is something you already have, then you take it, and trade from your strength.

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    Dude, when you're in the Pacers position, the chief objective is to acquire talent. If the best player available is something you already have, then you take it, and trade from your strength.
    Yeah, that's why we've always had the exact number of small forwards we need, because we traded away the extras.

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    LOL. I think he's gonna get a PG. If he gets a swing man, it's because of a trade he's about to make
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    I thought he did a good job of keeping his hand to his chest. He has always been like this----but it's obvious the P's have at least 2 players in mind they are targeting if they want to get another pick. Who do we trade for that pick is the question?

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    I can't wait until the "we tried to do something more but it didn't work out" interview.

    You can set your watch to it.
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    I can't wait until the "we tried to do something more but it didn't work out" interview.

    You can set your watch to it.
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    funny mine says they're getting one in the 20s too but for Hill...

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    please tell me you're joking about picking hill in the first round. that is seven different types of ridiculous.
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    yeah but someone like courtney lee a true 2 and a swing man. we need a (any?) true 2 so it wouldn't be a wasted pick to trade back into the first for him. just no 3s.
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    Q. How much weight do you put on the workout—
    A. “I’ve put on quite a bit lately.”


    Did Larry just say that he put on quite a bit of weight? Time for him to hit the gym

    Q. Larry, you’ve had a lot of prominent big guys (work out), McGee, Jordan, Hibbert now and Arthur; how do you break down and analyze that group?
    A. “They’re all very talented big guys. This (Darrell) Arthur is a man. He’s good. The other guys played very well. Obviously, he didn’t play against the other guys. They were all here together but Arthur’s probably got the most skill of any of them. There’s no question.”


    That makes me think he's targeting Arthur.

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    A. “They’re all very talented big guys. This (Darrell) Arthur is a man. He’s good. The other guys played very well. Obviously, he didn’t play against the other guys. They were all here together but Arthur’s probably got the most skill of any of them. There’s no question.”


    That makes me think he's targeting Arthur.

    With his confidence that the guy he wants will very likely be there I suspect he is targeting
    a player who is not expected to be in the top 10. Arthur fits that description.
    If they are wanting a second player are they looking to cover the pg, big man need in this draft or are they going for two bigs?
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    Q. Larry, you’ve had a lot of prominent big guys (work out), McGee, Jordan, Hibbert now and Arthur; how do you break down and analyze that group?
    A. “They’re all very talented big guys. This (Darrell) Arthur is a man. He’s good. The other guys played very well. Obviously, he didn’t play against the other guys. They were all here together but Arthur’s probably got the most skill of any of them. There’s no question."

    That makes me think he's targeting Arthur.
    It made me think the opposite, if he's learned anything from Donnie it means he has no interest in Arthur what-so-ever.

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    That makes me think he's targeting Arthur.


    That makes me think it's a smokescreen. Like in 2004 when we had the 30th pick and he kept telling everyone who would listen that he really liked Luke Jackson. Later he revealed that Ben Gordon was his true target all along and he had never once mentioned Gordon in any interview.

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    Q. How much weight do you put on the workout—
    A. “I’ve put on quite a bit lately.”


    Did Larry just say that he put on quite a bit of weight? Time for him to hit the gym

    Q. Larry, you’ve had a lot of prominent big guys (work out), McGee, Jordan, Hibbert now and Arthur; how do you break down and analyze that group?
    A. “They’re all very talented big guys. This (Darrell) Arthur is a man. He’s good. The other guys played very well. Obviously, he didn’t play against the other guys. They were all here together but Arthur’s probably got the most skill of any of them. There’s no question.”


    That makes me think he's targeting Arthur.

    After reading Bird's response about the weight, I had to go back and re-read the question to be sure what was asked.

    Speights is who Bird is interested in. He never mentioned his name. He said Arthur was "probably" the most talented. Speights will be available at 11.

    If Alexander is available, Bird will take him no matter how many SF on the team.

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    Q. Larry, you’ve had a lot of prominent big guys (work out), McGee, Jordan, Hibbert now and Arthur; how do you break down and analyze that group?
    A. “They’re all very talented big guys. This (Darrell) Arthur is a man. He’s good. The other guys played very well. Obviously, he didn’t play against the other guys. They were all here together but Arthur’s probably got the most skill of any of them. There’s no question.”

    That makes me think he's targeting Arthur.[/quote]


    I love the games these teams play with each other, which is what I think this is. In this case, I think Larry might be playing a mind game with Sacramento.

    It is rumored (although this could all be smoke as well) that Sacramento worked out Arthur and loved him, and gave him a promise at #12 that he won't slip past them. I believe I read that Arthur promptly canceled workouts with teams picking after Sacramento after he met with the Kings brass.

    Assuming this is true, and that I am correct in thinking Larry actually has zero interest in Arthur, then it is logical for Larry to put this story out publically, to make the Kings wonder if they will really get their man. In Bird's mind, the ideal scenario would be for Sacramento to feel they have to make a deal with either the Pacers themselves (maybe get a second rounder from the Kings, or more likely get some cash), or for the Kings to feel they have to move up past the Pacers in order to get Arthur, moving up to make a deal with perhaps Charlotte at #9 (I still think they want Rush, although I could be totally wrong) or with New Jersey at #10.

    If that would work and Sacramento does move up past us and takes Arthur, then that is one less spot we'd have to worry about a team taking the player we REALLY want, whomever that might be.

    It would be classic cloak and dagger NBA style, and I have no doubt that Larry's statement was carefully planned out just to create the kind of discussion it is creating.

    At least, that's what I'd be doing if I was in charge.

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    I can't wait until the "we tried to do something more but it didn't work out" interview.

    You can set your watch to it.

    Then there is the "we got the player we really wanted all along" spiel.

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    I doubt we pick at eleven.

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