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    No kidding -- Harrington best bet at No. 3

    June 13, 2004

    BY CAROL SLEZAK SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST Advertisement






    Emeka Okafor, who gathered with other NBA hopefuls Saturday at the Wyndham Hotel to meet the press, took a look around the room.



    ''I see a lot of young faces out there,'' he said.

    Only at an NBA predraft event could a 21-year-old kid feel old.

    While a slew of stringbean high school boys slouched in their chairs, the strong-shouldered, 6-10 Okafor sat straight and tall.

    While 18-year-old Dwight Howard, the country's top high school player, spoke in a barely audible whisper, Okafor's voice was loud and assertive.

    As Kris Humphries, the freshman from Minnesota, was saying he just does ''what my agent tells me to do, and hopefully it will work out'' Okafor was remarking that ''the older you get, the more you learn the ropes.''

    Okafor, who left Connecticut after his junior season, has won a national championship and earned his college diploma. Of all the players who have declared for the draft, he is the most ready to play immediately and make an impact. Too bad, he won't be around when the Bulls pick at No. 3.

    So what should Bulls operations head John Paxson do?

    He should trade the pick for a quality veteran starter. Because the Bulls cannot afford to get any younger or any more inexperienced.

    Luol Deng, the Duke freshman who should be available at No. 3, might become an excellent NBA player. He is smart and talented and, he says, ''driven to achieve.'' If the Bulls had a solid foundation, Deng would be a solid pick for them.

    Ah, but Deng also is refreshingly honest. Asked whether he was ready to play in the NBA, the 6-8 forward said, ''I think I'm ready to compete, but I also believe I have a lot to work on. My game is not there yet. There is a lot of room for improvement.''

    The Bulls can't wait.

    Which brings me to the Pacers' Al Harrington. The 6-9 small forward averaged 13.3 points and 6.4 rebounds in 31 minutes a game last season. This season's runner-up (to the Mavericks' Antawn Jamison) for the sixth man award, Harrington believes he's earned the right to start. At present, the Pacers don't have room for Harrington in their starting lineup. And they won't, so long as Ron Artest remains on the team.

    You think Harrington could start for the Bulls? Yeah, me too. He is worth the No. 3 pick, which is useless to the Bulls as a pick. If the Pacers will take Eddie Robinson along with the pick, the deal will get sweeter still.

    In 1998, when Harrington went straight from high school to the NBA, many teams didn't dare use a lottery pick on high school kids. Indiana took Harrington with the 25th pick. If Harrington were coming out of high school today, he would be a lottery pick. Oh, how times have changed.

    Will the top kiddies in this year's draft eventually develop into stars? Shaun Livingston, the point forward who was bound for Duke until changing his mind Friday, is a great talent. Andre Iguodala, the Arizona sophomore, has impressed every team he has worked out for. Josh Smith, a 6-9 forward out of Oak Hill Academy, reminds some of Harrington and is projected to be a top-10 pick.

    No one knows how long it will take for their bony bodies to fill out. No one knows if they ever will develop into All-Stars, or how long that process might take. There's too much guess work involved, particularly with the high school players. But don't take my word for it. Listen to Howard's response when he was asked about the uncertainty of drafting based on potential.

    ''You can't judge someone and know how good they're going to be 10 years down the road,'' he whispered.

    Listen to what Deng had to say on the subject.

    ''Everybody who comes into the league wants [to be one of the best players],'' Deng said. ''Some achieve it, some don't.''

    The Bulls desperately need a sure thing. Harrington didn't average double figures in scoring until 2001-02, his fourth season in the league. His rebound average has held steady at about six per game since then. He's a six-year veteran. He might have topped out. Then again, he's still only 24 years old.

    Is there a veteran available for the Bulls better than Harrington? Tracy McGrady doesn't want to play in Chicago. Antoine Walker, Vince Carter, Chris Webber? Bigger salaries and bigger potential conflicts. (Defense, anyone?) They don't fit into Paxson's and coach Scott Skiles' rebuilding vision.

    Tyson Chandler might yet develop into an All-Star. But right now, Harrington is better than any player the Bulls have. He also has playoff experience. And only two years and $13.3 million remain on his contract. Paxson already has talked to the Pacers about Harrington. Here's hoping he makes the deal.

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    Please, please, please don't pull this trade Donnie.

    I am really apprehensive about trading Harrington for an unproven rookie + Eddie Robinson (). I think we could definitely get a better deal than this and I hope D.W. and Larry find it.

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    IF we do this deal, then it is a part of a bigger deal.

    As simple as that, everyone kows Al can get us more then a 3d pick and a bad contract.
    Henceforth, that 3d pick should be going somewhere else in that case.

    What we get back remains a question mark
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    So what should Bulls operations head John Paxson do?

    He should trade the pick for a quality veteran starter. Because the Bulls cannot afford to get any younger or any more inexperienced.
    Like we need to get any younger.

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    I know the Pacers have been able to watch some of the top talent while at Chicago but the lottery guys don't play there.

    Have the Pacers brought in anyone for an individual workout that might lead us to believe they "could" move up in the draft?

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    I think this is just Chicago media wishful thinking. Trades aren't this well known before they happen.

    No one in the draft fills our needs-a starting caliber shooting guard or a true center.

    If Harrington can get us more than a third pick why would a thrid pick get us Harrington
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    So what should Bulls operations head John Paxson do?

    He should trade the pick for a quality veteran starter. Because the Bulls cannot afford to get any younger or any more inexperienced.
    Like we need to get any younger.
    Big time agreement from me.

    And Eddie Robinson? Please!!!

    But what if the Bulls want someone with Harrington's abilities, energy and defensive aggression so badly that they would so something crazy like give up Chandler or Curry and the #3?

    How would we feel then?

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    IF we do this deal, then it is a part of a bigger deal.

    As simple as that, everyone kows Al can get us more then a 3d pick and a bad contract.
    Henceforth, that 3d pick should be going somewhere else in that case.

    What we get back remains a question mark
    I concur. Maybe Orlando would be interested in trading TMac for the #3 and some filler players? Then they'd have the #1 and #3 picks and could go into full rebuilding mode.

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    Default Re: More Harrington for the number 3 pick

    IF we do this deal, then it is a part of a bigger deal.

    As simple as that, everyone kows Al can get us more then a 3d pick and a bad contract.
    Henceforth, that 3d pick should be going somewhere else in that case.

    What we get back remains a question mark
    I concur. Maybe Orlando would be interested in trading TMac for the #3 and some filler players? Then they'd have the #1 and #3 picks and could go into full rebuilding mode.
    Nobody's GM is THAT dumb.

    TMac is a better player han Orlando can get at #3. Its that simple.

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    I don't know why we would want the #3 over a vet, but if we do what is a good trade for both teams?

    I think Harrington and the #29 is sufficient. I think teams have always wanted and given up to much for draft choices.

    Think about it, Harrington is 24 years old. He's been in the league 5 years, and he's just now becoming a player. In other words Chicago won't have to wait until he develops, and they won't have to cross their fingers and hope he develops.

    It's like Chicago is being told, 'you can have Al and what's behind door #29 for what's behind door #3.

    I think Chicago is a bit Leary about trading with Indiana because of the way the last trade worked out so they are asking for tooooo much.

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    Default Re: More Harrington for the number 3 pick

    Harrington to Chicago
    #3, #29, Bender, Pollard to Orlando
    McGrady to Indiana

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    Harrington to Chicago
    #3, #29, Bender, Pollard to Orlando
    McGrady to Indiana
    Works for me. I love how everyone is trying to figure out deals for McGrady without giving up big-name talent.

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    Harrington to Chicago
    #3, #29, Bender, Pollard to Orlando
    McGrady to Indiana
    Works for me. I love how everyone is trying to figure out deals for McGrady without giving up big-name talent.
    You got something better?

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    Harrington to Chicago
    #3, #29, Bender, Pollard to Orlando
    McGrady to Indiana
    Works for me. I love how everyone is trying to figure out deals for McGrady without giving up big-name talent.
    You got something better?
    Hey, I like that deal, but let's try to be real for a minute. If it went down the way you propose, I'd be giddy. I just think it's unrealistic.

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    Default Re: More Harrington for the number 3 pick

    IF we do this deal, then it is a part of a bigger deal.

    As simple as that, everyone kows Al can get us more then a 3d pick and a bad contract.
    Henceforth, that 3d pick should be going somewhere else in that case.

    What we get back remains a question mark
    I concur. Maybe Orlando would be interested in trading TMac for the #3 and some filler players? Then they'd have the #1 and #3 picks and could go into full rebuilding mode.
    Nobody's GM is THAT dumb.

    TMac is a better player han Orlando can get at #3. Its that simple.
    But I think they'd rather get the #3 and a couple good bench players for TMac than nothing if he decides to leave.

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    Default Re: More Harrington for the number 3 pick

    IF we do this deal, then it is a part of a bigger deal.

    As simple as that, everyone kows Al can get us more then a 3d pick and a bad contract.
    Henceforth, that 3d pick should be going somewhere else in that case.

    What we get back remains a question mark
    I concur. Maybe Orlando would be interested in trading TMac for the #3 and some filler players? Then they'd have the #1 and #3 picks and could go into full rebuilding mode.
    Nobody's GM is THAT dumb.

    TMac is a better player han Orlando can get at #3. Its that simple.
    But I think they'd rather get the #3 and a couple good bench players for TMac than nothing if he decides to leave.
    Problem is, they can get MORE for TMac than that if they decide to open bidding for him. You think the Clips would think twice about giving up Brand and #2 for him?

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    Default Re: More Harrington for the number 3 pick

    IF we do this deal, then it is a part of a bigger deal.

    As simple as that, everyone kows Al can get us more then a 3d pick and a bad contract.
    Henceforth, that 3d pick should be going somewhere else in that case.

    What we get back remains a question mark
    I concur. Maybe Orlando would be interested in trading TMac for the #3 and some filler players? Then they'd have the #1 and #3 picks and could go into full rebuilding mode.
    Nobody's GM is THAT dumb.

    TMac is a better player han Orlando can get at #3. Its that simple.
    But I think they'd rather get the #3 and a couple good bench players for TMac than nothing if he decides to leave.
    Problem is, they can get MORE for TMac than that if they decide to open bidding for him. You think the Clips would think twice about giving up Brand and #2 for him?
    Yeah they would actually. They already have Maggette, and a chance to lock up Richardson, so really they don't need T-Mac. If anything it would be as a possibility, T-Mac for Richardson (S&T), Maggette, and the #2 pick. I doubt the Clips do that as both guys they are giving up are extremely talented.
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    Can't T-Mac deny trades? Doesn't he have a voice in where he goes? I thought so. And even if officially he doesn't, I wouldn't be surprised if unofficially he does (Meaning the GM will try to appease him. Donnie does that to an extent for his guys)

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    It will take a all-star or a young, close to all star to get Mcgrady-- Houston offering a deal including Francis or Phoenix a deal with Marion.

    It's deals like those that are going to be made not bench players and a third pick in a weak draft.
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    IF we do this deal, then it is a part of a bigger deal.

    As simple as that, everyone kows Al can get us more then a 3d pick and a bad contract.
    Henceforth, that 3d pick should be going somewhere else in that case.

    What we get back remains a question mark
    I concur. Maybe Orlando would be interested in trading TMac for the #3 and some filler players? Then they'd have the #1 and #3 picks and could go into full rebuilding mode.
    Nobody's GM is THAT dumb.

    TMac is a better player han Orlando can get at #3. Its that simple.
    But I think they'd rather get the #3 and a couple good bench players for TMac than nothing if he decides to leave.
    Problem is, they can get MORE for TMac than that if they decide to open bidding for him. You think the Clips would think twice about giving up Brand and #2 for him?
    I somehow doubt that Sterling would trade for a max salary player like TMac.

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    Default Re: More Harrington for the number 3 pick

    IF we do this deal, then it is a part of a bigger deal.

    As simple as that, everyone kows Al can get us more then a 3d pick and a bad contract.
    Henceforth, that 3d pick should be going somewhere else in that case.

    What we get back remains a question mark
    I concur. Maybe Orlando would be interested in trading TMac for the #3 and some filler players? Then they'd have the #1 and #3 picks and could go into full rebuilding mode.
    Nobody's GM is THAT dumb.

    TMac is a better player han Orlando can get at #3. Its that simple.
    But I think they'd rather get the #3 and a couple good bench players for TMac than nothing if he decides to leave.
    Problem is, they can get MORE for TMac than that if they decide to open bidding for him. You think the Clips would think twice about giving up Brand and #2 for him?
    I somehow doubt that Sterling would trade for a max salary player like TMac.
    COnsidering Brand is a max salary player?

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    I somehow doubt that Sterling would trade for a max salary player like TMac.
    Or Donnie and the Simons for that matter.

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    I think teams have always wanted and given up to much for draft choices.

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    Truer words have never been spoken

    Right now draft picks are grossly overvalued.

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    I think teams have always wanted and given up to much for draft choices.

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    Truer words have never been spoken

    Right now draft picks are grossly overvalued.
    Especially THIS year's draft, which only has 3 players I see with any real promise, and 2 of those 3 are years away from developing into NBA players.

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    Default Re: More Harrington for the number 3 pick

    Harrington to Chicago
    #3, #29, Bender, Pollard to Orlando
    McGrady to Indiana
    Works for me. I love how everyone is trying to figure out deals for McGrady without giving up big-name talent.
    You got something better?
    Hey, I like that deal, but let's try to be real for a minute. If it went down the way you propose, I'd be giddy. I just think it's unrealistic.
    So, let's hear a realistic one.

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